Would you rely on an AK as your primary defensive rifle?

Would you Rely on an AK as your primary defensive rifle?

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I believe a defensive weapon is a close range situation. 200 yards for defense is for the movies. In a pretend situation hiking away from trouble your weapon needs to have plenty of firepower and be light. Your ammo needs to be light. Water is heavy. Any fighting situation you will be flanked and someone else will have your favorite weapon. Must be in a tribe like the Indians. The title says defense. In the home short shotgun is king. Till they shoot through the walls and take it. There is no winning. Only to be prepared and pretend
 
dogtown tom said:

I own both, prefer the AR.​

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Stuff you know if you have an AK47

It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
Cheap mags are fun to buy.
Your safety can be heard 300m away.
Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
You can put a .30″ hole through 12″ of oak, if you can hit it.
When out of ammo, your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
Recoil is manageable, even fun.
Your sight adjustment goes to ’10’, and you’ve never bothered moving it.
Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation’s most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
Your rifle won some revolutions.
You paid $350.
You buy cheap ammo by the case.
You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
Service life, 50 years.
Its easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames.
After a long day at the range you relax by watching “Red Dawn.”
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.
You can accessorize your rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
Your rifle’s finish is varnish and paint.
Your wife tolerates your autographed, framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout “Wolverines!”


Stuff you know if you have an AR15

You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic teflon infused oil for cleaning.
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600m.
Cheap mags melt.
You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
You can put one hole in a paper target at 100m with 30 rounds.
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great whiffle bat.
What’s recoil?
Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations most illiterate conscripts.
Your rifle won the cold war.
You paid $900.
You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
Your foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
Service life, 40 years.
You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it’s under warranty!
You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
After a long day at the range you relax by watching “Blackhawk Down.”
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and Apple Pie.
Your rifle’s accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
Your rifle’s finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
Your wife tolerates your autographed, framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
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I remember that from the old 762x54r.net website.
 
Show Me said:
M1 Garand fit in?
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Up until you run out of clips. ;)

We all have our favorites, and that's fine, but that shouldn't deter you from being well-versed and intimately familiar with as many different things as possible and at least reasonably proficient with them.

Contrary to what you usually hear, 99.9% of the time, its not the guns fault if you cant work or shoot it reasonably well. ;)
 
trackskippy said:
Up until you run out of clips. ;)

We all have our favorites, and that's fine, but that shouldn't deter you from being well-versed and intimately familiar with as many different things as possible and at least reasonably proficient with them.

Contrary to what you usually hear, 99.9% of the time, its not the guns fault if you cant work or shoot it reasonably well. ;)
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For me to run out of clips means I had a VERY BAD DAY.
 
Miami_JBT said:
For me to run out of clips means I had a VERY BAD DAY.
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LOL, and it just got A LOT worse. :)

Ive owned and extensively shot a half dozen or so M1's and they are good guns as long as you understand them. But this isn't the 60's or 70's anymore where clipped surplus was everywhere and readily available.

Nostalgia is great and all on the internet boards, but reality REALLY sucks when you don't keep up, and age has nothing to do with that either. :thumbup:
 
trackskippy said:
LOL, and it just got A LOT worse. :)

Ive owned and extensively shot a half dozen or so M1's and they are good guns as long as you understand them. But this isn't the 60's or 70's anymore where clipped surplus was everywhere and readily available.

Nostalgia is great and all on the internet boards, but reality REALLY sucks when you don't keep up, and age has nothing to do with that either. :thumbup:
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All this gung-ho pretend is fun too.
 
I say it depends on where you live. If you live in an apartment with paper thin walls, I would worry about that round going somewhere I do not want it to go. Look around your house, I highly doubt you have anyplace in your house where it would be better to measure in feet then yards. What does your SD ammo do when fired at 10 feet, will it stop in said bad guy. I would worry about that.

Personally if you want a long gun I think the best in the house is a pistol caliber carbine, or shotgun loaded with something along the lines of #8. Shoot something at 10feet with #8 shot and tell me it is not going to work, I don't think you can.
 
Would I rely on an AK as my primary defensive rifle. Depends on the situation, am I facing hundreds and I need a spray and shoot rifle than maybe only if I have a few hundred taking care of my six. I prefer the M-16 because I can spray and shoot or I can do surgical precision shot with it. But a one on one scenario a single shot like my
Sharps will do good as well, long and short distance.
 
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Remington1911 said:
Personally if you want a long gun I think the best in the house is a pistol caliber carbine,
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No end of argument about this, and it is off topic. But for civilians, in a less than EOLAWKI situation, a PCC has the range and handiness for defense. Storm carbines are especially handy for their short length without SBR paperwork.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.
Moon
 
Pelosi and Schumer also want to ban the guns which were designed by enemies. Some of those former enemies who produced AKMs are now part of NATO—News Flash…..:)

Let’s not give the Gun Grabbers any justification.

With So many heaps of ARs now carried by the Taliban, they also are guns carried by our enemies.
 
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Old Dog said:
Zero interest in the AK for me; mainly on principle - I find it hard to be affectionate about the main platform my enemies used against me.
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I don't know, a lot of Americans were pretty amped about bringing back German built Mauser, Lugers and Walthers, among others at one point in time. Plus you can buy a very good AK built in America, by Americans.

Isn't associating evil with an inanimate object what the gun grabbers do? Things to ponder......
 
This self defense stuff is very situational.

The only time that I had to defend me and mine with a long gun, all that I had was a Topper 12 gauge and a cap and ball revolver.
The attacker had a semi-auto .30-06 and was 100 yards away.
I eased around him while he was shooting at where he thought that I was.
I knocked him rolling while he was trying to reload.
I never fired a shot.

If I'd had an AK or AR in this situation I might have had a rush of brains to the head and tried to hold my ground and shoot back.
I might have died from excessive weapon-induced bravado.

The brain is the real weapon... .
 
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CraigC said:
Isn't associating evil with an inanimate object what the gun grabbers do?
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I get what you're saying. But I don't really associate evil with the AK, nor does it make me uncomfortable. The AK has given me a couple unpleasant reminders when I see certain images, but no worse than my regular PTSD. I just simply never gravitated toward them after trying them out for a while, and made a personal decision, that's all. Plus, I find the AK to be the ugliest battle rifle ever designed. I do appreciate 20th century mil-surps, have owned Mauser rifles, an HSc pistol, a P-38 pistol, and we all know the Nazi regime was as evil as they come.
 
trackskippy said:
Its all fun til you shoot your eye out. :)
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trackskippy said:
LOL, and it just got A LOT worse. :)

Ive owned and extensively shot a half dozen or so M1's and they are good guns as long as you understand them. But this isn't the 60's or 70's anymore where clipped surplus was everywhere and readily available.

Nostalgia is great and all on the internet boards, but reality REALLY sucks when you don't keep up, and age has nothing to do with that either. :thumbup:
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I'm under 40 buckaroo and I'm sitting on at least 2k in M2 ball that's loaded in enbloc clips. All quality Greek HXP that I loaded into those enbloc clips myself.
 
Remington1911 said:
I say it depends on where you live. If you live in an apartment with paper thin walls, I would worry about that round going somewhere I do not want it to go. Look around your house, I highly doubt you have anyplace in your house where it would be better to measure in feet then yards. What does your SD ammo do when fired at 10 feet, will it stop in said bad guy. I would worry about that.

Personally if you want a long gun I think the best in the house is a pistol caliber carbine, or shotgun loaded with something along the lines of #8. Shoot something at 10feet with #8 shot and tell me it is not going to work, I don't think you can.
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Birdshot is for birds, not people. I've stepped over enough crime scene tape to see the end results of what birdshot does and what 00buck does.
 
I prefer a quality lever action carbine in a potent pistol round. Use frangible bullets inside and ballistically better heavy loads outside. I like their fast simplicity and decent accuracy. And yes, I have/had AK clones and ARs. A simple lever gun is my easy choice if the choice is a rifle.
 
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