Wrangler Vers. Heritage

[Jeb Stuart]

Shooting off his hind legs, doesn't really mean much. I have seen very few bench tests of a Heritage but those I have seen, were abysmal. Three to four inches at 25yds being the norm. A good Single Six should halve that.

I doubt the vast majority of millions of owners of these guns are really not interested in Precision accuracy in a cheap 22 plinker. In the video, it was this first time using the Heritage and hey, these are not target sights. And of Course these are not target Pistols. You might want to get a Ruger Mk in that is your interest. There is a certain fun of just shooting with good ole Kentucky wind-age. No need for a bench rest.

 

[CraigC]

That's totally not the point. The ONLY way to judge the accuracy of any firearm, or to find its preferred ammo, is to bench it. If we're gonna compare the accuracy of a Heritage to a Ruger, that is the only way to conclude anything meaningful. Any other excuses?

Even a plinker should shoot to the sights. Kentucky windage is fine if you only own a handful of guns and don't do anything too serious with them. If you have a bunch and/or hunt with them, they need to shoot to the sights.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

That's totally not the point. The ONLY way to judge the accuracy of any firearm, or to find its preferred ammo, is to bench it. If we're gonna compare the accuracy of a Heritage to a Ruger, that is the only way to conclude anything meaningful. Any other excuses?

Even a plinker should shoot to the sights. Kentucky windage is fine if you only own a handful of guns and don't do anything too serious with them. If you have a bunch and/or hunt with them, they need to shoot to the sights.

I doubt I would hunt with a cheap 22 plinker, not sure many would. I know you can get the Heritage with adjustable sights, but that would not interest me. I think we are trying hard to make these guns more than they are. If the Heritage did that well in such a casual atmosphere from right out of the box. Then I would say that is good enough.

 

[arcticap]

Shooting off his hind legs, doesn't really mean much. I have seen very few bench tests of a Heritage but those I have seen, were abysmal. Three to four inches at 25yds being the norm. A good Single Six should halve that.

The video did show that at least some Rough Rider's can shoot pretty much to point of aim right out of the box.
Of course, I would expect that there are some Rough Riders that can out shoot some Single-Sixes and Wranglers, especially if one has a longer barrel or target sights.

Not every Ruger is able to shoot perfect.
And not everyone can shoot as good as a Ransom machine rest would, actually no one probably can.
Each ammo is different too.
It's not like most folks use the best target ammo. to plink with.

Have you ever seen a video of a Heritage accuracy test performed using a Ransom machine rest?
If not, then isn't a bench test also like shooting off of one's hind legs?
I think that even a scope would help to establish an accuracy baseline.
Otherwise all open sight shooting is done off hind legs anyway because most SA revolver open sights are relatively crude and have a short sighting plane.

 

[Craig_AR]

I stopped in at the local Academy yesterday to ask about the Wrangler. The gun desk guy had not even heard of it. He looked it up in their computer and told me when Academy begins stocking them, they will go for $199. This compares nicely with the seven different Heritage Rough Rider models on the shelf with prices from $189 to $219.

I've loved shooting my Rough Rider for several years, and also find the new Wrangler very appealing. When I decided I needed a .22LR SAA revolver, I looked at the S&W (~$600), the Single Six (~$400), and the Rough Rider (~$200). I decided that for a fun range plinker, with no plans for hunting varmints, I could buy an awful lot of ammunition for the $400 difference. I do have the 22WMR cylinder, but have never used it. Several years ago a buddy with a Single Six and I went to the range together, shooting our own and each other's guns. I admit that the Ruger felt better, and was clearly a more refined, better built, firearm than the Heritage. Nonetheless, I remain quite satisfied with my inexpensive cowboy plinker, and have never regretted the choice for purchase.

My brother recently tried my RR and liked it. If he thinks he might need a 22LR SAA also, I'll point him to both the Wrangler and the RR and let him pick. If I were buying today, the dual internal safety in the Wrangler, compared to the external safety block on the RR, would be several points in favor of the Ruger. Balancing that, I really like the Heritage looks better than the Cerakote on the Wrangler.

 

[ThomasT]

Ruger has a good name, Heritage has a good name.

Ruger yes. Heritage not so much.

I doubt I would hunt with a cheap 22 plinker, not sure many would.

Why not? A fixed sight gun shoots the same ammo as an adjustable sighted gun. All it has to do is give good groups an shoot close to point of aim. Price has nothing to do with lethality

 

[Keith G]

Shooting off his hind legs, doesn't really mean much. I have seen very few bench tests of a Heritage but those I have seen, were abysmal. Three to four inches at 25yds being the norm. A good Single Six should halve that.

Maybe I’m weird, but how my revolvers shoot when I’m on my 2 hind legs is the only thing that matters to me.

 

[CraigC]

Maybe I’m weird, but how my revolvers shoot when I’m on my 2 hind legs is the only thing that matters to me.

A lot of folks are that way but you'll never know how accurate your sixgun is or what load it prefers if that's all you ever do. Not everybody is just blasting beer cans at rock throwing range where misses don't matter.

I like to know and here's that $200 Single Six at work.

 

[Keith G]

A lot of folks are that way but you'll never know how accurate your sixgun is or what load it prefers if that's all you ever do. Not everybody is just blasting beer cans at rock throwing range where misses don't matter.

I like to know and here's that $200 Single Six at work.

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I hear you Craig. I live on acreage and have had to dispatch my share of critters and also hunt on my land, so I’m definitely not of the group that just shoots cans at rock throwing distances, although that is fun. I hand load for my revolvers and have settled on loads that I group well shooting unsupported. I shoot my revolvers out to 75 yards for practice, but I’m not gonna put a squirrels eye out at that range. I’d feel comfortable sending lead at a coyote or wild hog at that range.

I’ve never shot a revolver off a rest, but I will sight in my rifles supported. We are after the same end result, just going about it differently. No wrong way as long as we are having fun and getting the results we desire.

 

[ThomasT]

Someone on another site said a Ruger Single Six magnum cylinder fit the Wrangler. Has anybody here tried it and can confirm that?

I was under the impression, from what I've read, that the Wrangler cylinder was slightly smaller.

Do you remember what site you saw that on? I am curious as to weather or not the charge holes lined up with the barrel? I did read the Wrangler cylinder was .020 smaller than the single six. Thats only .010 per side. But the holes in the cylinder really need to line up with the barrel.

 

[Dave T]

If I were in the market for a SA 22 LR, I would look in GB or some other site and find a used, 3-screw Old Model Single Six. Having read way too much about the Heritage RR, I can't imagine spending even $100 on one, let alone over $200 with tax. The other day, just for fun I looked on GB for SS Rugers and found several for around $300. That would be money well spent as far as I'm concerned. YMMV.

Dave

 

[shafter]

I don't have either one, nor have I even handled one, but if I was in the market and had to buy one it would be the Ruger. Ruger has the quality and the customer service. I might be inclined to just pay more and go with another used Single Six. I know exactly what I'm getting with one of those and it's top notch.

 

[SwampWolf]

I’ve never shot a revolver off a rest, but I will sight in my rifles supported. We are after the same end result, just going about it differently. No wrong way as long as we are having fun and getting the results we desire.

If your "end result" is to see how accurate the firearm is, whether it's a handgun or a rifle, the goal is to eliminate as much of the shooter's input is as possible. Shooting a handgun unsupported via your "two hind legs", tells you little as to how accurate it is and is the wrong way to go about it, no matter how much fun you're having doing it. The goal is not to determine how well you shoot but to establish how well the gun shoots.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

If your "end result" is to see how accurate the firearm is, whether it's a handgun or a rifle, the goal is to eliminate as much of the shooter's input is as possible. Shooting a handgun unsupported via your "two hind legs", tells you little as to how accurate it is and is the wrong way to go about it, no matter how much fun you're having doing it. The goal is not to determine how well you shoot but to establish how well the gun shoots.

Lol, All I know is the tin cans just go on plinking along. I guess I should start to take this gun more serious. Start bench resting it, analyzing different ammunition's for it and on and on.. And you are right, forget the fun part, precision accuracy is way more important than any fun you can have. Heck, I really never even cared what ammo I shot in mine. Yep, need to get focused on this little gun. I just can't seem to help myself when it comes to just having fun.
Oh, heck, forget the precision shooting and bench. Think I will just go the fun route with this little plinker. Watch out Mr. Tin Can.

 

[SwampWolf]

Yep, need to get focused on this little gun.

Yep, if you really want to know how accurate the gun is, you'll need to get a mite more "focused".

 

[ThomasT]

Lol, All I know is the tin cans just go on plinking along. I guess I should start to take this gun more serious. Start bench resting it, analyzing different ammunition's for it and on and on..

Absolutely. I did that one time with my Single Six and tried around 10 different brands of ammo just like suggested in the gunzines way back then. It was a real eye opener for me. I was surprised how different the accuracy was between brands. And the most expensive was NOT the most accurate in MY gun. But I learned a good lesson. I really suggest that everyone try it too. Unless you are happy with pot luck accuracy.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Lol, All I know is the tin cans just go on plinking along. I guess I should start to take this gun more serious. Start bench resting it, analyzing different ammunition's for it and on and on.. And you are right, forget the fun part, precision accuracy is way more important than any fun you can have. Heck, I really never even cared what ammo I shot in mine. Yep, need to get focused on this little gun. I just can't seem to help myself when it comes to just having fun.

I guess when someone feels the need to say something, but really has nothing to say, they just try to be sarcastic.
No one said anything about not having fun.
I think that just about everyone here knows that shooting from a bench rest is more accurate then shooting offhand. No one said that this is how these guns should be fired. But it’s what should be done if you want a better idea of what your gun is capable of.
We also know that many guns are more accurate with a certain type of or brand of ammo.
Here are targets and ammo I tested in one of my 22 rifles. I placed an order for 5000 rounds of ammo the next day. Which one do you think I ordered?


We also had fun that day playing battleship.


Maybe some will never try to see what shoots best in their gun, but when you’re talking about comparing two guns for accuracy, shooting from a bench will tell you more then shooting from the hip.

 

[Keith G]

If your "end result" is to see how accurate the firearm is, whether it's a handgun or a rifle, the goal is to eliminate as much of the shooter's input is as possible. Shooting a handgun unsupported via your "two hind legs", tells you little as to how accurate it is and is the wrong way to go about it, no matter how much fun you're having doing it. The goal is not to determine how well you shoot but to establish how well the gun shoots.

I completely understand the validity of bench shooting for accuracy tests and would never tell someone not to do it. That said, I have been shooting a while, and am fortunate to be able to shoot off my front porch and I typically shoot multiple times per week. I also hand load my ammo. So for my main SA revolver, I loaded and shot multiple combinations of powder/weight and settled on the one I shot the best on my two hind legs. I could bench test the same loads and possibly find out that my revolver shoots a different load more accurately than the one I settled on. But if I don’t shoot it better, then I see no reason to switch to it.

Not saying my way is right, but it’s my way and it works for me.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

I guess when someone feels the need to say something, but really has nothing to say, they just try to be sarcastic.
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"I guess when someone feels the need to say something, but really has nothing to say, they just try to be sarcastic"

Ok, you want to insult and start a argument fine. And you can be the hypocrite as well.

 

[bannockburn]

Gunny

Here are targets and ammo I tested in one of my 22 rifles. I placed an order for 5000 rounds of ammo the next day. Which one do you think I ordered?

I'm going to guess you went with CCI Standard Velocity for the win with the Geco Match and Semi-Auto coming in Second and Third place.

I get similar results with CCI SV and even better accuracy than that with Wolf Match Target.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

"I guess when someone feels the need to say something, but really has nothing to say, they just try to be sarcastic"

Ok, you want to insult and start a argument fine. And you can be the hypocrite as well.

I was not insulting you. I only pointed out that your reply to Swampwolf was sarcastic and didn’t add to the topic.
You seem to get but hurt anytime someone says anything negative about the Rough Rider. It also seems that you are upset that so many people are looking forward to getting there hands on a Wrangler.
I don’t understand and probably never will, how someone people get so upset about people not liking what they spend their money on, or wanting something that they don’t like.
I guess the Rough Rides owners will fall into the groups that own Henry 22 rifles and Hipoints. We all know that if you say anything negative about those two brands, some owners will defend them like they are on the company payroll.
Now if you were to go back and read everything I have posted about the Rough Rider, I have not bashed them. About the only thing negative I said is that I don’t like the frame mounted, hammer block safety.
I haven’t posted about how good my Wrangler shoots because, I haven’t bought one yet. I’m waiting for my dealer to get some in. I’ll be getting two of the black ones because, I really don’t care for the other two colors. My friend is waiting to get a bronze and silver. And he didn’t hurt my feelings with his choice of colors.
I don’t own a Rough Rider, but I do own two of the early versions of the same style gun.

You should take your own advice and start your own thread about how much you like the Rough Rider, with pics of tin cans bouncing around.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Gunny



I'm going to guess you went with CCI Standard Velocity for the win with the Geco Match and Semi-Auto coming in Second and Third place.

I get similar results with CCI SV and even better accuracy than that with Wolf Match Target.

You got it right.
I have a High Standard Durango western style 9 shot revolver that shoots 40gr ammo better the the 36gr ammo on the average. I know this because I spent about 30 minutes shooting different ammo through it from a bench.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

I was not insulting you. I only pointed out that your reply to Swampwolf was sarcastic and didn’t add to the topic.
You seem to get but hurt anytime someone says anything negative about the Rough Rider. It also seems that you are upset that so many people are looking forward to getting there hands on a Wrangler.
I don’t understand and probably never will, how someone people get so upset about people not liking what they spend their money on, or wanting something that they don’t like.
I fuse the Rough Rides owners will fall into the groups that own Henry 22 rifles and Hipoints. We all know that if you say anything negative about those two brands, some owners will defend them like they are on the company payroll.
Now is you were to go back and read everything I have posted about the Rough Rider, I have not bashed them. About the only thing negative I said is that I don’t like the frame mounted, hammer block safety.
I haven’t posted about how good my Wrangler shoots because, I haven’t bought one yet. I’m waiting for my dealer to get some in. I’ll be getting two of the black ones because, I really don’t care for the other two colors. My friend is waiting to get a bronze and silver. And he didn’t hurt my feelings with his choice of colors.
I don’t own a Rough Rider, but I do own two of the early versions of the same style gun.

You should take your own advice and start your own thread about how much you like the Rough Rider, with pics of tin cans bouncing around.

Lol, What a bunch of BS, I Now you are comparing the Heritage to the Henry 22 cal? Comparing a Henry to a High Point? Seems to be no end to your smugness. And that is exactly what you are doing. No, you take YOUR advice and start a thread with Bench rest shooting the Wrangler. And again what a hypocrite. It seems you only want your opinion and then you go and slam others with the "Some Folks" etc crap. You really need to take a good look in the Mirror.
And I am not offended about anything said from you about the Heritage, what offends is your smug, arrogance.
And if you want to start a campaign against the Henry 22 then start a bash campaign on a new thread. I personally will not post on it. And Yes I do own a Henry and love it, and go yourself if you do not like it. I will let others defend against you on that one.

 

[CraigC]

I fuse the Rough Rides owners will fall into the groups that own Henry 22 rifles and Hipoints. We all know that if you say anything negative about those two brands, some owners will defend them like they are on the company payroll.

Bingo!

What a bunch of BS, I Now you are comparing the Heritage to the Henry 22 cal? Comparing a Henry to a High Point? Seems to be no end to your smugness. And that is exactly what you are doing. No, you take YOUR advice and start a thread with Bench rest shooting the Wrangler. And again what a hypocrite. It seems you only want your opinion and then you go and slam others with the "Some Folks" etc crap. You really need to take a good look in the Mirror.
And I am not offended about anything said from you about the Heritage, what offends is your smug, arrogance.
And if you want to start a campaign against the Henry 22 then start a bash campaign on a new thread. I personally will not post on it. And Yes I do own a Henry and love it, and go **** yourself if you do not like it. I will let others defend against you on that one.

You just proved his point. Why are you so defensive?

I have three Henries but have always contended that they were built to a price point and use inferior materials to reach that price point, very similar to Heritage.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Bingo!



You just proved his point. Why are you so defensive?

I have three Henries but have always contended that they were built to a price point and use inferior materials to reach that price point, very similar to Heritage.

Why don't you two guys start your own bashing of the Henry's on a separate thread? Again, I will not post to defend the gun or owners. You can have at it. Go for it. And by the way, I did not buy the Henry because of the price point.