If by chance you are left-handed in the right-handed world, the world is a little bit kinder then lets say 50 plus years in the past. Fifty plus years in the past the Marine Corps didn't want to hear that you were left handed. They considered it to be a handicap. Lefthanders in the the right-hand world are constantly adapting. When I was issued a 1911A1 ambidextrous was terminology that most individuals had never heard of or even understood. Thus I adapted by using my right-hand qualified Expert. Being adaptable is key to competency with different firearms manual of arms.
OTOH, you could use a Tokarev, carry at half cock.
SA, and then you don't have to worry about the safety.
Have to admit that I don't train nearly enough, but the last class I took, the instructor would command "Safety or de-cock, re-holster" after each course of fire. I was using a CZ-82 with no decocker, which can be carried hammer-down for DA/SA or cocked-and-locked for SA first shot. I carried it hammer-down, so I had to manually decock each time. It can be done safely, but you really need to practice it with an empty gun until it's automatic.Do any of you personally do drills where you fire so many rounds, decock, and then holster?
Now I carry striker-fired only. I have no problem with DA/SA for range fun, but I think "simpler is better" for concealed carry.
If the threat is down and you are reholstering, of course it is less stressful than when getting ready to fire at a threat.Will someone that can't remember to manipulate a safety under pressure remember to manipulate a decocker under pressure?
I don't see it as much different than small game or bird hunting where shots are taken on "the jump". I've carried semi and pump action shotguns with rounds chambered and safety on. Rabbit, quail etc...takes off, safety is disengaged as the shotgun is being shouldered, before my finger enters the trigger gaurd. My 1911 safety is being disengaged as the gun is coming up, with my finger clear of the trigger guard.
Now, if I didn't shoot regularly and have familiarization with either the shotgun or the 1911...say, the safety on a Mossberg when all I've carried is a Remington 1100...I can see (have seen) it being more difficult.
Point being, if it's what you use, know inside and out it becomes muscle memory.
Precisely... Right up there with having to look for the safety as the whole herd of deer you waited patiently for sees you fidgeting with your shotgun and runs away.Well said, and also goes to the point of the disadvantage if you don't have muscle memory of you've ever had to borrow a shotgun (or bought a new model) with an unfamiliar safety setup while upland game hunting, especially grouse.
Lost many a grouse trying to pop a crossbolt safety on a gun that had a thumb safety on a few trips.
When people are done explaining this, could somebody explain the Remington R51's trigger setup to me? That was a SA gun with NO decocker or safety other than a grip safety...and nobody seemed to think that was a bad idea. I thought it was a bizarre thing to put on the market in the 21st century. People have forgotten about it now, because lousy execution made the whole pistol crash and burn, but the safety aspect was not one of the reasons.
The majority of striker-fired pistols do not have either decockers or manual safeties. While earlier Glocks had relatively long trigger strokes and pull weights in the 6.0-6.5 pound range, the trend over time has been to shorter pulls and lighter weight. Today, most striker-fired pistols do not have substantially different triggers from SA hammer-fired pistols or the SA mode in DA/SA pistols. Few people seem to think the typical striker-fired pistol is bizarre. Why should having a hammer rather than a striker as the firing mechanism make a difference?
The Remington R51's grip safety was more than most striker-fired pistols have (Springfield XDs being an exception).
Walther's PPX and Creed were hammer-fired pistols without a decocker, manual safety, or grip safety, relying for safety on a 1/2-inch trigger stroke and 6.5 pound trigger weight that was roughly the same as a Glock 17 Gen 3.
It was like a 1911 without a manual safety. Ever seen one of those? Me neither.
Yes, I understand the Glock setup. The idea is that trigger pull that is longer and springier than a normal single action pull but still is reasonably safe without a safety catch while still not as long and springy (and detrimental to accuracy) as a conventional double action trigger pull. The thing about the Remington R51 is that it did not have a Glock kind of trigger mechanism. It had a conventional single-action trigger. It was like a 1911 without a manual safety. Ever seen one of those? Me neither. (OK, maybe the Frommer "Stop" and the Fegyvergyar 29M and 37M, The fact that they are so obscure kind of supports my point.)
BTW, I am sorry to nitpick, but I cannot help myself now that I have got going: "striker-fired" is not a synonym for "Glock type trigger system". Single action striker fired pistols have been around at least since since FN put the Browning Model 1899/1900 on the market, and the Remington R51 was one of them. DAO striker fired pistols are less common, but have been around at least since the LeFrancais 6.35mm before 1914. Many SA striker fired pistols, like the Ruger 22 target pistols, are still in production. The Glock system only dates back to the 1980's. (OK, maybe it goes back to the Roth-Steyr 1907, but once again, the fact it is so obscure kind of supports my point.)
I am not annoyed with you, gc70. It is more of an old-man-yelling-at-clouds situation.
Many SA striker fired pistols, like the Ruger 22 target pistols, are still in production.
Safeties; decockers; half-cocked hammers; no round in the chamber ... what’s the rumpus?!
Please pardon Helmut Weldle & myself as we squeeze our way in & out of this thread ;-)
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[my rant] People don't seem to be troubled with a Walther PPQ being carried with a trigger weight of less than 5 pounds, a reset of 1/10" and no external safeties, but loose their minds over the idea of a 1911 with a 5-pound trigger and a grip safety being carried without the thumb safety engaged. [/rant]