922(r) Kit for SBR'd Scorpion

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The NFA handbook is written by NFATCA, and while it is a good reference, it is not law and it is full of errors and opinions.
Then do whatever you want.

FWIW all those little numbers at the bottom mean something.

118 27 CFR 479.91 119 27 CFR 479.84 120 27 CFR 479.102 121 ATF Ruling 2002-6
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ATF Ruling 2002-6
45 ....

The above regulations require markings that legibly identify each item
or package and require that such markings are conspicuous. ATF has
consistently taken the position
that "legibly" marked means using exclusively
Roman letters (A, a, B, b, C, c, and so forth) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3,
4, 5, 6, and so forth), and "conspicuous" means that all required markings
must be placed in such a manner as to be wholly unobstructed from plain
view.
These regulations apply to licensed manufacturers and licensed
importers relative to firearms, armor piercing ammunition, and large capacity
ammunition feeding devices, and to makers of National Firearms Act
firearms.




I'm just not seeing the ambiguity here guys...
 
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Then do whatever you want.

FWIW all those little numbers at the bottom mean something.

118 27 CFR 479.91 119 27 CFR 479.84 120 27 CFR 479.102 121 ATF Ruling 2002-6
45

ATF Ruling 2002-6
45 ....

The above regulations require markings that legibly identify each item
or package and require that such markings are conspicuous. ATF has
consistently taken the position that "legibly" marked means using exclusively
Roman letters (A, a, B, b, C, c, and so forth) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3,
4, 5, 6, and so forth), and "conspicuous" means that all required markings
must be placed in such a manner as to be wholly unobstructed from plain
view.
These regulations apply to licensed manufacturers and licensed
importers relative to firearms, armor piercing ammunition, and large capacity
ammunition feeding devices, and to makers of National Firearms Act
firearms.
Yes, all those little numbers mean something. They are references to laws that do not say that once your weapon is marked, you can't obstruct the marking with an accessory.

" they must be placed in such a manner that they are wholly unobstructed from plain view" is NFATCAs interpretation, not law.

ATF Ruling 2002-6 says nothing on the subject either. They must be placed wholly unobstructed from plain view when made. Nothing says they must forever stay that way.

The three things you can't do with the markings by law:
obliterate
alter
remove

Which of those does a handguard do?
 
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I think we've taken this as far as it can go (and hijacked the OP's thread a little). Probably time wrap it up and get back to the 922r question (assuming anyone has anything else to add to his original question, but even that seems answered).
 
Who's game are you playing? Arguing the finer points of the law is going to cost you $400+ an hour for your lawyer to do with you in court. Theres a list of ATF rulings. Theres some oldies but goodies in there. Open bolt being machine guns, Auto sear being a machine gun by itself etc. Those "Rulings" can be ignored too if you feel like it because they arent "laws". Go for it.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/firearms-rulings

The ATF-NFA publishes a handbook. It is in your best interest to use their guidelines and "Rulings" when you build and adhere to those guidelines. 2002-6 is an ATF ruling. Ignore ATF rulings all you like. "Conspicuously" as noted in 27 CFR 178.92 is defined in the 2002-06 ruling.


From RULING 2002-06

"In accordance with 27 CFR 178.92 and 27 CFR 179.102, identification of
firearms, armor piercing ammunition, and large capacity ammunition feeding
devices, the terms "conspicuously" and "legibly" as used therein mean,
respectively, that the markings are wholly unobstructed from plain view and
that the markings contain exclusively Roman letters and Arabic numerals"

"The above regulations require markings that legibly identify each item
or package and require that such markings are conspicuous. ATF has
consistently taken the position that "legibly" marked means using exclusively
Roman letters (A, a, B, b, C, c, and so forth) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3,
4, 5, 6, and so forth), and "conspicuous" means that all required markings
must be placed in such a manner as to be wholly unobstructed from plain
view. "


"Similarly, firearms and large capacity ammunition feeding devices
which contain required markings obstructed in whole or in part from plain
view must be remarked with required markings that satisfy the
conspicuousness requirements described above. For example, required
markings may not be placed on a portion of the barrel where the markings
would be wholly or partially obstructed from view by another part of the
firearm, such as a flash suppressor or bayonet mount
."


§ 178.92 Identification of firearms,
armor piercing ammunition, and
large capacity ammunition feeding
devices.
(a)(1) Firearms. Each licensed manufacturer
or licensed importer of any
firearm manufactured or imported
shall legibly identify each such firearm
by engraving, casting, stamping (impressing),
or otherwise conspicuously
placing or causing to be engraved, cast,
stamped (impressed) or placed on the
frame or receiver thereof in a manner
not susceptible of being readily obliterated,
altered, or removed, an individual
serial number not duplicating any serial
number placed by the manufacturer
or importer on any other firearm,
and by engraving, casting, stamping
(impressing), or otherwise conspicuously
placing or causing to be engraved,
cast, stamped (impressed) or
placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel
thereof in a manner not susceptible of
being readily obliterated, altered or removed,
the model, if such designation
has been made; the caliber or gauge;
the name (or recognized abbreviation
of same) of the manufacturer and also,
when applicable, of the importer; in the
case of a domestically made firearm,
the city and State (or recognized abbreviation
thereof) wherein the licensed
manufacturer maintains its
place of business; and in the case of an
imported firearm, the name of the
country in which manufactured and
the city and State (or recognized a



As far as Bullpups go...

(3) Exceptions—(i) Alternate means of
identification. The Director may authorize
other means of identification of
the licensed manufacturer or licensed
importer upon receipt of a letter application,
in duplicate, showing that such
other identification is reasonable and
will not hinder the effective administration
of this part.
 
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I am not a lawyer, but 922(r) relies on 922(d), which is the definition of a "semi-automatic assault rifle". 922(d) was part of the expired portion of the law. Since 922(d) is no longer part of law, would it even be legal to use it as as reference or would it legally not even exist? Can any lawyers chime in on that? I know what the ATF says, but I'm just a but curious there, because it seems to me that 922(r) cannot stand alone.

Back on topic, there is conflicting info on whether 922(r) applies to NFA items. If it falls under the "rifle" category in any way, it would appear to, by the wording of the law. If an item is classified as an AOW, though, that should theoretically place it outside the "semi-automatic assault rifle" definition. It's a important distinction, because, depending on the individual firearm, sometimes it doesn't take much to get there.
 
Somehow I don't think decades of allowing serial number under rifle scope mounts, under revolver grips (both factory and after market) or on shotgun water tables qualifies as "consistent".

It's been in the last few years that I've been seeing imported shotguns with serial numbers on the water table redundantly stamped on the bottom of the receiver as well.

Mike
 
I'm looking at the rulings and law and dont see much leeway for interpretation there. Like anything else regarding the law you do what you want based on a risk to reward basis. I break the law every day speeding while driving to work but I know I'm breaking the law and dont tell other people that because I interpret the law to mean something else its OK to drive 10 MPH over the speed limit while talking on my cell phone.
 
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