10/22 vs marlin 60?

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Two of the biggest problems with the Model 60 seem to be the ejector, which is made of coiled spring steel; and the magazine follower. The ejector can be broken when taking apart/reassembling the action and the follower is made of plastic that often breaks off.

I'd never worked on the 60 until very recently and both of those parts were broken. Another problem is trying to get the magazine tube apart to install a new (brass) follower. This rifle had been wet many times, judging from the amount of rust on the barrel. The cross-pin in the tube just doesn't want to come out, even though I made the routed block gizzie to fit the tube while trying to drive it out. The end is now sitting in an empty shell filled with Kroil penetrating oil. In a day or so, I'll try the pin again. If it doesn't work, it will cost about $25 -$35 for a new magazine tube. Anyway, I don't think I'll be swapping my 10-22 for a Marlin.
 
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Mjsdwash - Wow, that's quite a condemnation of the 60. I don't think I'd ever shoot less than 200 rds at the range (rifle range is a bit of a drive for me so when I get to go I tend to make a day of it).

Has anybody else seen this type of reliability issues with the 60? I don't remember having this problem, but that was a much earlier production and I was much younger so I may not remember.

The reliability of tube vs box mags... is this something that everyone pretty much agrees on? I like tube mags in general (love my levers!), but the only semi auto tuber I have is the old 88... that one loads thru the buttstock so would basically be reversed I guess... and it is very finicky...
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Nope just the reverse.

I have several 60's going way back to no serial number days....also a few 10/22's.....I have yet to have a 10/22 run for an entire box of ammo....that would be 50 rounds without having issues....now after you start tossing money at it and replacing the garbage parts that ruger puts in the rifles from the factory you can get them to run....so my take away is.

If you want a gun to work out of the box, hit what you aim at out of the box, get the 60, if you want a gun that will not run, and want to play pretend gunsmith get the ruger.

There is a reason the 10/22 has the after market support it does....it needs it, out of the box they are the most over rated tomato stakes on the planet.
 
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You don't sell 5 million of a rifle because none of them work.
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now ask how many are stock....about 5 out of the 5 million.

I await for the huge influx of people to come on and say....mine is made in 19-dickity-doo...and is bone stock.

They are not accurate, the magazine is a huge pain to get in and out....I for one see nothing going for them past they are dirt cheap....and built like they are dirt cheap.
 
fpgt72 said:
now ask how many are stock....about 5 out of the 5 million.

I await for the huge influx of people to come on and say....mine is made in 19-dickity-doo...and is bone stock.

They are not accurate, the magazine is a huge pain to get in and out....I for one see nothing going for them past they are dirt cheap....and built like they are dirt cheap.
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I've not had a problem getting the mag in or out since learning at the age of 7, perhaps your doing something wrong. I've had at least a dozen of them in the family and all were completely stock save for a couple custom ones my dad has built on a volquartsen and a magnum research receiver. They all worked and the only one I've ever had my hands on was inaccurate. That particular example was an international model that shot probably 3-4" at 50 yards. The rest were all gopher at 50 yards accurate as I have done and seen done many many times. If you dislike them fine but to say none of them work or are all inaccurate is just stupidity.
 
I own two Ruger 10/22s. Neither is stock because I had the trigger assemblies worked on by Brimstone Gunsmithing. That was not because the triggers didn't work fine, but they were too heavy for my tastes. It sounds as if the stock trigger on the Marlin 60 is just as bad in that regard. I also installed Volquartsen extractors, a relatively inexpensive modification. That was done purely prophylactically since I had been given to believe that the stock Ruger extractors were known to wear and eventually cause trouble. Again, I never had any failure to extract with either rifle with the stock extractors.

As for difficulty inserting or removing magazines, inserting a magazine is quite easy once you figure out the most efficient motion. I push the front end of the magazine up slightly against the front edge of the magazine well and up into it a short distance, then push up firmly on the rear of the magazine housing. Removing the magazine is even easier with the extended magazine release levers that 10/22s now come with. Just push forward on the lever with your thumb and the magazine drops into your hand. Ruger 10/22s are far and away the most popular .22lr rifles used at Appleseed events. The AQTs used at Appleseed require a magazine change on both the timed rapid fire stages. There is considerable time pressure on these stages which also require a transition from standing to sitting on Stage 2, and standing to prone on Stage 3. If the magazines on Ruger 10/22s were universally difficult to insert or remove, it is extremely unlikely they would be the most popular rifles used at these events.

I am puzzled by the number of people that say they have difficulty with the Ruger 10 round rotary magazines. I am not saying that the accounts are inaccurate, as I have heard others complain of the same on other forums. But I have a total of 10 of the Ruger BX-10 magazines which would seem to be a reasonable sample size. Six of them are singles. The other four have been used to make up a pair of coupled 10 round magazines that are connected base to base with inexpensive couplers (available on Midway and from other vendors). The double magazines allow a total 20 round capacity by simply inverting that coupled magazine after shooting the top mag dry, and reinserting it. I have used these 10 magazines in both rifles using a wide variety of 22lr ammunition and I have never had a problem with any of them.

As for reliability, I have shot many 50 round boxes of a variety of 22lr 36 and 40 grain standard and high velocity ammunition through both rifles. This has included relatively cheap bulk ammunition such as Remington Thunderbolts and Golden Bullets, and Federal AutoMatch, and some better quality ammo but still not match quality, such as Aguila SuperExtra High Velocity, CCI standard velocity, CCI mini-mags, CCI AR, and Eley Target. I can recall one or possibly two stovepipe jams, and about half a dozen misfires, all with cheaper ammunition. Most people will realize that occasional malfunctions of this type are pretty much par for the course with cheap 22lr ammo in semi-auto rifles. As for accuracy, as I mentioned before, around 2 MOA or slightly better when using better quality target (non-match) ammunition.
 
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There is a lot of emotion tied into this thread. Seems to me the more emotional the response, the less fact/logic tied to it regardless of which you like.

Let’s be honest, they are both budget rifles being mass produced. Some will be amazing, most will be average, and some will be duds. Pick the features you like most and buy that one. Everyone will have a story of a great example or a terrible example. The plural of anecdote is not data.

I like/own the 10/22 for a lot of reasons but I also don’t forget it’s a masses produced budget rifle. I’d gladly shoot a Marlin 60 if that is what I had and not feel bad doing so. Pick what you like and go enjoy it.
 
You know it is funny. I have seen ONE 10/22 stock original part magazine that had an issue and when I took it apart and cleaned it and put it back together correctly it worked fine from then on. I am in my mid 60's.

I have a boyhood friend that now lives most ways across the country from me that sounds like some of you guys that have all sort of issues with the mags.

Oddly he has not responded to my offer of sending me his magazines and me sending him mags that have worked for me in all three of my current 10/22s.

Drop your Marlin and get a ding in the mag tube and it is out of action. A mag does not work in my 10/22 and I drop it out and replace it with the spare for that rifle in the field or take it home and get one of the ophans from the magazine box next to the safe.

Just something to think about.

Again neither rifle is evil or "wrong."

I suspect the reason both the Marin and Ruger have sold millions each is that they were a couple of bucks cheaper than everyone else's semi autos for their first 30 years or so and just got the numbers going.

-kBob
 
My 30 year old 10-22 shoots 1" groups at 50 yards. Only modification is a 4x simmons scope. Never considered a replacement because it works so well. I really like the detachable mags too. My other 22 rifles are a old nylon 66 (nostalgia) and a savage MK2 suppressed (pest control and general fun).
 
I have at least 3 10-22’s that are stock, the magazine argument is a valid one. I have have a couple that needed deburing inside and have fixed a few for friends. Seems most people just live with a finicky rifle or buy aftermarket mags (that can be a problem as well) and lots never learned how to take the stick rotary mag apart to clean it much less see how it works.

Tube mags just seem to work and work, from the in the stock version of the BA-22 to down the barrel types on bolt, lever, pump and semiautos. Has been my experience with the 60 as well.
 
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You don't sell 5 million of a rifle because none of them work.
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In fairness, Marlin has sold 60’s more than 2:1 against the 10/22...

I keep a few of each on hand. For small game hunting, I reach for a Marlin. For competition, I rebuild a 10/22.
 
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My 30 year old 10-22 shoots 1" groups at 50 yards. Only modification is a 4x simmons scope. Never considered a replacement because it works so well. I really like the detachable mags too.
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Sounds a lot like my 40 year old 10/22. Like wise it still shoots nice tight little groups with Wolf Match Target and CCI MiniMags. My two modifications were adding sling swivels for carrying it while hunting and a Weaver K2.5 scope because I knew the first time I shot it, this gun was way more accurate than I could shoot with iron sights. Never a problem with any of the factory 10 round magazines either.
 
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But I have a total of 10 of the Ruger BX-10 magazines which would seem to be a reasonable sample size. Six of them are singles. The other four have been used to make up a pair of coupled 10 round magazines that are connected base to base with inexpensive couplers (available on Midway and from other vendors). The double magazines allow a total 20 round capacity by simply inverting that coupled magazine after shooting the top mag dry, and reinserting it.
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I was doing that 40 years ago when I took two 10 round magazines and epoxied them together at their bases. No need for any couplers; just some really good glue will do the trick!
 
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