10mm 1911

[highlander 5]

I have an SR1911 in 10 mm I like the pistol very much but I made 1 change to it,I put a flat bottom firing pin stop to slow down the slide and keep my brass in the same zip code.
I also bought a 40 S&W barrel for the pistol as well.

 

[S.Crockett]

Sure, the caveat is they weigh as much as a Sherman tank with a gravel road for a trigger.

The 5” 1006/1026 models were hefty, that’s true, but felt-recoil with full-throttle 10mm loads in those guns was better handled than the same ammo out of the 1911 species.

That said, my 4.25” M1076 was a nice slim-packing EDC. You just need the right belt/holster combo.

Owned many back in the day but was made an offer I couldn’t refuse on my last remaining 1006. No longer in the 10mm game

Very sad. Still have my bad boy …

 

[tommy.duncan]

OP don't let one bad opinion sway your opinion about Colt.

I agree, I would have suggested but it doesn't meet his price point.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Nothing Say Cool early 90’s like a Colt Delta Elite

 

[Lennyjoe]

I had a 1911 RIA 10MM but eventually got rid of it. Just felt like the 10MM was better suited in a double stack magazine configured pistol for field use. My personal opinion so do as you wish and I hope you find one that suites your needs.

 

[JDeere]

Saving my coins for a DW Razorback to fill my 10mm 1911 gap. Meanwhile my woods pistol is a Sig XTen that shoots well with my hand loads...

 

[BBarn]

The 10mm is hard on the 1911. If I was planning to shoot it much, I would limit my choices to those with good warranty/service support.

 

[Iggy]

I was one of the instigators that got Dan Wesson to create the Razorback and submitted the first order for one.
Mine came in a presentation case as a result of my contributions to the project.
I liked it so well that I asked then owner Bob Serva if a CCO version of the Razorback was feasible for concealed carry.

He said that sounds like fun. I soon had what I believe is the only one in existence.

I carried one or the other for nearly 20 years while working between two family ranches.
I set them aside when I retired and moved to town. Too much horsepower for in town concealed carry.

 

[BreechFace]

If I were to get a 1911 in 10mm. It would be the Dan Wesson Razorback or the Colt Delta Elite.

The only conceivable reason I would purchase one of these other than a range gun would be if I lived in a mag-capacity limited state then I would be carrying one.

 

[Whiskeyhotel2020]

I entered into the 10mm community in 2020. Had no idea what I was getting myself into. Bought a new Kimber TLE II. Never looked back.

 

[1976B.L.Johns.]

I too just entered another handgun chapter.



Just got this, a Colt Elite in 10mm.
Yeah, it looks different.
"The Hammer of THOR!"

One of 500 made.

I have every component except bullets to assemble 1000 rounds.
That's o.k.
I can wait until Spring.
Winter was made for revolvers!

Where did that brass go?

 

[anothernewb]

I have the Ruger Sr1911 in 10mm and its been fantastic. thousands of rounds and counting.

 

[tommy.duncan]

I have the Ruger Sr1911 in 10mm and its been fantastic. thousands of rounds and counting.

I agree!! I know some have had problems, but my SR1911 has been flawless.
Maybe the Wilson Shok-Buff was the difference?
That and the orange nail polish drop (thanks to my daughter) on the front sight are my only mods.

 

[JB111]

You need to revise your history. The 10mm was the brainchild of Jeff Cooper working with others. It first came out in 1983, and originally in the Dornus and Dixon Bren 10. The company failed, primarily due to inability to deliver magazines, or functional pistols.
Colt picked it up in 1986, and released the Delta Elite. It was poorly adapted to the Norma ammunition which was loaded to far above current SAAMI specifications (Norma uses C.I.P. standards].
The FBI adopted the S&W 1076 a shortened d/an only version of the 1006 in 1990, using reduced power ammunition. (180gr bullet @1,050fps vs 1,350fps).

I was an early adopter and a huge supporter of the 10mm. I had a 1006 that was a brute of a gun and well suited to the original 10mm Norma ammo. A Glock G20 10mm wouldn’t stand the Norma ammo, nor my duplicate handloads. I sold both as I was actively shooting NRA PPC and needed suitably accurate pistols.

The Original 10mm Ammo Made By FFV NORMA AB ·S-670 40 AMOTFORS - SWEDEN -

Rewind back into the very late 70’s and early 80’s, the renowned Colonel John Dean “Jeff” Cooper, had the inspiration of a 40 caliber cartridge which would drive a 200 grain projectile @ 1000 feet per second which would translate into 444 foot pounds of energy. Seeking a semi auto platform based...

rangehot.com

According to that article about the origins of 10mm, the original Norma test load pushed a 200gr bullet at 1260fps at muzzle producing 704 foot pounds of energy and chamber pressures reached 37,000 cup. That equates to a hair over 38,000 psi and current saami specs is 37,500 psi for 10mm. Thats not a great deal more pressure to be honest. So I would beg to differ that a Glock 20 could not handle that load. I have shot several Underwood offerings out of mine that rival those specs without issue. The Glock 20 is also fairly accurate as well. Not a 2 inch gun at 50 yards but can easily explode milk jugs at that distance.

 

[BreechFace]

The Original 10mm Ammo Made By FFV NORMA AB ·S-670 40 AMOTFORS - SWEDEN -

Rewind back into the very late 70’s and early 80’s, the renowned Colonel John Dean “Jeff” Cooper, had the inspiration of a 40 caliber cartridge which would drive a 200 grain projectile @ 1000 feet per second which would translate into 444 foot pounds of energy. Seeking a semi auto platform based...

rangehot.com

According to that article about the origins of 10mm, the original Norma test load pushed a 200gr bullet at 1260fps at muzzle producing 704 foot pounds of energy and chamber pressures reached 37,000 cup. That equates to a hair over 38,000 psi and current saami specs is 37,500 psi for 10mm. Thats not a great deal more pressure to be honest. So I would beg to differ that a Glock 20 could not handle that load. I have shot several Underwood offerings out of mine that rival those specs without issue. The Glock 20 is also fairly accurate as well. Not a 2 inch gun at 50 yards but can easily explode milk jugs at that distance.

I would agree, just put in a stronger recoil spring and it would handle that fine.

My dangerous game load I carry in my Glock 20 is 200gr at 1,200+fps. Know what I’m using that for I just upped the spring weight to keep the gun from beating itself up with a steady diet of those.

 

[GooseGestapo]

It wasn’t the pressure, or recoil springs.
It was the design of the feed ramps and unsupported case heads that resulted in catastrophic case head failure. The resulting gas eruption would blow the magazines out, along with the slide stop and portions of the frames.
I got lucky! The second shot I fired from my G20 (1992) blew out the magazine and the slide stop cut my left thumb as it departed the frame. I managed to straighten the slide stop, reassemble the gun and took it to the Glock facility at Smyrna. They inspected it, and returned it. I promptly sold it…
A coworker had a similar episode with the department issue Gen 2 .40S&W in 1997. He wasn’t so lucky. The gun was destroyed and he went to the ER for stitches (occurred at the Ga. Public Safety Academy (GPSTC)), so there is ample documentation. Georgia sued Glock and Master Cartridge (aka Georgia Arms). I’ve still got the gun duffel bag and cleaning kit that was part of the settlement. I knew most of the people involved and it was a fairly amicable settlement.

Colt had problems, Glock repeated the problem with the 10mm and .40S&W.
It was finally corrected with the Gen III and Gen IV changes…
And custom builders using ramped barrels.

There’s a reason the ammunition manufacturers toned down the 10mm… and warnings on the boxes…

 

[S.Crockett]

The Original 10mm Ammo Made By FFV NORMA AB ·S-670 40 AMOTFORS - SWEDEN -

Rewind back into the very late 70’s and early 80’s, the renowned Colonel John Dean “Jeff” Cooper, had the inspiration of a 40 caliber cartridge which would drive a 200 grain projectile @ 1000 feet per second which would translate into 444 foot pounds of energy. Seeking a semi auto platform based...

rangehot.com

According to that article about the origins of 10mm, the original Norma test load pushed a 200gr bullet at 1260fps at muzzle producing 704 foot pounds of energy and chamber pressures reached 37,000 cup. That equates to a hair over 38,000 psi and current saami specs is 37,500 psi for 10mm. Thats not a great deal more pressure to be honest. So I would beg to differ that a Glock 20 could not handle that load. I have shot several Underwood offerings out of mine that rival those specs without issue. The Glock 20 is also fairly accurate as well. Not a 2 inch gun at 50 yards but can easily explode milk jugs at that distance.

Norma loaded - and currently other makers using special hybrid powders that didn’t exist in the ‘80s (e.g., Underwood) load - the 10mm to CIP pressures, not SAAMI specs.

Still the best history ever written of the 10mm cartridge and the first production pistol chambered for it, the Bren Ten:





All the key players from the early days of the cartridge and the pistol were interviewed and the author exploded many ‘80s gun rag-made myths.

Highly recommended if you can find a copy.

 

[jjones45]

Funny, I’m kind of in the same boat. I’ve been carrying my fn 510 tactical a lot since I bought almost a year ago now. And while it’s a great shooter and 100% reliable through over a thousand rounds now I’m just wanting a 1911 commander in 10mm to play with. So with all the marketing for the stealth arms platypus pistols all over YouTube I decided to visit their website and build a couple of models and seen they offer 10mm in commander and full size 1911’s with bob cut grips. Here’s a couple I designed and may purchase one once I do some more research.


Not only can you fully design the gun from a color standpoint, you can also customize every single part of the gun. I’m one of the guys who like square trigger guards, optics ready, and full length dust cover/rails. If that doesn’t float your boat you can do a traditional look for hundreds of dollars cheaper. This is an American company that offers a lifetime guarantee and from what I’ve read so far in reviews their customer service is fantastic if you need it. My only concern is the aluminum frame and feed ramp, particularly in 10mm. For 9mm and 45 acp I have no concerns, but full power 10mm has been known to destroy frames from popular and well established gun companies. The few comments I’ve seen from guys who own these guns in 10mm don’t seem to shoot a lot of rounds so it’s not a true testament of the durability of the gun in my opinion. So that’s the pickle I’m in right now.
Edit: forgot to mention every part of their guns are machined billet in house, no mim. That is impressive.

 

[jjones45]

Here’s a more traditional 10mm commander close to the price point you mentioned. This gun weighing less than 27 ounces has to kick like a mule though if running full power 10mm.

 

[DesertFox]

2 here: Colt Delta Elite Gold Cup National Match and a Thompson. Also have 2 Colt Double Eagles in 10mm. That's my 10mm 1911 status currently. Great round and great design but I believe better served with newer designs. Nostalgia is cool and all but pragmatism rules.

 

[Twisted Chemist]

Well, if he wants American-made, the best, most durable all-steel 10mms are the S&W 10XX-series guns.

M1006
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Oh gods, I hated this pistol. My father purchased a 1006 back in the 90's to keep under the counter at our business. Took it out shooting a few times but it was impossible to get a natural "point", the balance was awful, grip angle was blerg, terrible ergonomics and the trigger was not worth mentioning. Can't say I was terribly disappointed when the FBI stopped in and took possession of the thing. Short story long, father bought it from a questionable figure who was helping the local sheriff sell items from the county evidence locker. Would love to have a 10mm someday, just not this one.

 

[Lennyjoe]

So many to choose from….

Oh gods, I hated this pistol. My father purchased a 1006 back in the 90's to keep under the counter at our business. Took it out shooting a few times but it was impossible to get a natural "point", the balance was awful, grip angle was blerg, terrible ergonomics and the trigger was not worth mentioning. Can't say I was terribly disappointed when the FBI stopped in and took possession of the thing. Short story long, father bought it from a questionable figure who was helping the local sheriff sell items from the county evidence locker. Would love to have a 10mm someday, just not this one.

My first 10MM was the 1006 and I traded it for a G20. Thing was a tank and felt like it on my hip climbing up and down hills in Arizona.

 

[S.Crockett]

So many to choose from….
My first 10MM was the 1006 and I traded it for a G20. Thing was a tank and felt like it on my hip climbing up and down hills in Arizona.

Wow! So clearly today’s dude isn’t as robust and muy hombre as his predecessor dudes.

I mean, it was skinny, underfed, Depression-era kids who humped 10lb M1 Garands on their shoulders and Colt 1911s on their hips, plus the ammo and gear, all over Europe and the South Pacific in the 1940s. …. Very sad.

My M1006 actually feels svelte compared to this boat anchor, … 50.5 oz loaded weight (8+1).

Sig 10mm P220 Match Elite:

Oh gods, I hated this pistol. My father purchased a 1006 back in the 90's to keep under the counter at our business. Took it out shooting a few times but it was impossible to get a natural "point", the balance was awful, grip angle was blerg, terrible ergonomics and the trigger was not worth mentioning. Can't say I was terribly disappointed when the FBI stopped in and took possession of the thing. Short story long, father bought it from a questionable figure who was helping the local sheriff sell items from the county evidence locker.

“Took it out shooting a few times” means you should’ve had a shooting coach to instruct you.

And that’s regardless of the really dumb fact that it was also a stolen firearm.

 

[JDeere]

Picked up a 1066 this morning at my LGS. Thing was clean and tight with few handling marks. Came with 7 mags which is a huge plus. For the price and the extra mags I could not let it go. If you keep up with prices you know what these are going for. Stripped it oiled it and off to the range in the am to see how it runs.

 

[Howland937]

I mean, it was skinny, underfed, Depression-era kids who humped 10lb M1 Garands on their shoulders and Colt 1911s on their hips, plus the ammo and gear, all over Europe and the South Pacific in the 1940s

Yep. And about every damn one of them woulda traded for lighter gear if given an option. If you grew up around any WWII and Korea vets, you'd know the fondness we have for the Garand wasn't shared with many of them.
Quote from my great uncle, who brought home shrapnel from near Bastogne "If Patton admired them so much, how come nobody ever saw him packing one?"