10mm thoughts

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I posted this on my local forum hoping to get equally helpful info here. I have been wanting 10 mm but would like to hear some opinions on your choice of 10mm. This will be a firearm used camping, hiking, riding, and maybe a hunting sidearm. I am not wishing to CC this weapon I have others I prefer for that but this will simply be a "greatoutdoors" type of sidearm for me. I have read the ballistics for this round and thats why I want 1. I do reload and plan on doing so for the 10mm. I have my opinions about Glocks and 1911's and will keep them to myself. I would just like to hear your experiences with your choice of 10mm and any pro's or con's you have had with them. thx in advance
 
For rugged and in the woods, and not so much concealed, either the Glock 20 or the S&W 1006 are your best bets. Both can be had around $550-$650 on the used, almost new, market, and both are very accurate, reliable, and not beyond repair, if necessary, even though the 1006 hasn't been made for a few years. You have the durability of Glocks polymer and rust resistant finish, and stainless on the S&W, should you find yourself in the elements. Both are acccurate enough for kill zones on deer, or bad guys, at 50 yards, out of the box.
 
I'm assuming by the way you wrote your post that you don't care for glocks or 1911s. Unfortunately, there are very few options for 10mm firearms. The most widely available 10mm is the glock 20. For an outdoors-type gun, it would behoove you to go that route.
 
I'm assuming by the way you wrote your post that you don't care for glocks or 1911s. Unfortunately, there are very few options for 10mm firearms. The most widely available 10mm is the glock 20. For an outdoors-type gun, it would behoove you to go that route.
Don't want to upset fanboys of either and I do respect the rep of both of those firearms as far as accuracy and reliability just prefer neither. I have been leaning towards the glock 20. To ask another question to glock 20 owners: Any concerns shooting "hot" hand loads thru a poly gun?
 
Don't want to upset fanboys of either and I do respect the rep of both of those firearms as far as accuracy and reliability just prefer neither. I have been leaning towards the glock 20. To ask another question to glock 20 owners: Any concerns shooting "hot" hand loads thru a poly gun?
There is no lower limitation based on the polymer frame.
However it does mean if you overload it enough to blow up the chamber you don't have the protection afforded by a steel frame between your hand and the exploding chamber.
So the polymer won't cause it to be any more vulnerable to excessive hand loads, but won't protect you from injury as well if you do overload it.



Many use an aftermarket barrel with traditional rifling and a tighter chamber than the stock glocks come with.
The Glocks gain increased reliability with the slightly looser chambers of stock barrels, but give less support. While some of the aftermarket barrels give more support with a shorter feed ramp for longer brass life and less brass stress.
The polygonal rifling is also not recommended for use with unjacketed ammunition, and the aftermarket barrels solve that as well.

A stock Glock does work just fine, the polygonal barrel is very accurate, wear resistant, seals the bore giving reducing gas blowby and giving high velocities, and lasts a long time. But if you want to use primarily the higher power reloads and want to reload the brass multiple times, or use your own cast lead bullets, then the right aftermarket barrel is recommended.
 
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I'm a 10mm nut. All the G20 I've had have swallowed hot ammo without issue. Same with G29. Excellent choice of caliber. Have fun with it.
 
There was a post a few weeks ago about a kaboom with a glock 20 due to the chamber not being fully supported and use of buffalo bore. Definitly not for hot loads. Something to think about
 
Haven't shot 10mm but would like to add another possible choice. The S&W Model 610. They're not currently being produced but barrel lengths were 3 7/8in and 6in. All stainless and it would allow you to shoot .40SW for practice and work up some pretty stiff 10mm loads for the outdoors. I've seen used prices vary from $700-$1200 on gunbroker depending on barrel length and condition.
 
I have been thinking of a Tanfoglio in 10mm. Great ergos, and not a Glock or 1911.
 
The Glock 20 is hands down my choice in a woods, camping gun. No other gun offers the power, small size, reliability, accuracy, and mag capacity in a single package.
 
Haven't shot 10mm but would like to add another possible choice. The S&W Model 610. They're not currently being produced but barrel lengths were 3 7/8in and 6in. All stainless and it would allow you to shoot .40SW for practice and work up some pretty stiff 10mm loads for the outdoors. I've seen used prices vary from $700-$1200 on gunbroker depending on barrel length and condition.
Plus on that.....it nice option to use .40S&W on target range and ammo always available at Walmart even before last presidential election.
 
When did they discontinue the 610? Did S&W also discontinue the 310NG? I'm partial to revolvers so I got both of those some time ago. Didn't know they were no longer made!
 
When did they discontinue the 610? Did S&W also discontinue the 310NG? I'm partial to revolvers so I got both of those some time ago. Didn't know they were no longer made!
The 610 went away ca. 2004. With "four more years" along with concomitant possibility of ammo shortages looming on horizon 10mm revolver able to fire .40S&W cartridge is well worth having. I would not spend a "dime" on 10mm pistol.
 
310NG still produced and fairly widely available. 610 is the way to go but bust out your checkbook.
 
10mm thoughts

I have a couple. Five, to be exact.

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It is simply the most versatile autoloader cartridge around, and the only commercial one that can be housed in a "normal" sized gun that is powerful enough to hunt with in certain states.

As for the platform, the S&W 1006 is the cream of the crop, the toughest. But I have yet to blow up my Kimber, either Witness or the G20, and I run 'em hot (180 gr. @ 1,400 FPS for 790 ft/lbs)
 
I am a 1911 guy--let me state that up front. I bought a Dan Wesson 10mm CBOB about 18 months ago. I won't say flat out that it was the most troublesome 1911 I have ever owned, but I will say that the only one that was worse was well-supported by the maunfacturer, which the DW was not.

I have spent an awful lot of money on ammo, parts and gunsmithing to get this thing working right. It is recently back from it's latest vist to a gunsmith and I believe (pending further testing) that it is probably A-OK now. About time.

Would I do it again? Hard to answer honestly. Would I wish this on anyone else? Hell, no. However, in spite of all my difficulties with it, this is one Hell of a nice 1911, and if it is finally working well, it will probably become a favorite.

I am not a Glock guy (I have owned several, but have not owned one for nearly five years). That said, I am kinda-sorta keeping my eye open for a G20 at the right price.

Hope that helps.
 
I bought a G20 for use when we had Puma problems. I never was very concerned about it with 30 rounds of 10mm with me. Hot loaded the G20 can take a lot and is a good gun.

If you are going to go an auto for defense in the woods, the 10mm is above the practical limit of what most folks can handle quickly and accurately. This has just my opinion but there is a reason the 40 short and weak is so popular while the 10mm has been a "thinking man's cartridge"
 
My Dan Wesson RZ-10 is a 1911 but would carry it in most situations and wouldn't feel under gunned any where a pistol would be suffice. Now mine is a pre CZ so can't say they are or are not the same today. 10mm does it all very well.
 
There was a post a few weeks ago about a kaboom with a glock 20 due to the chamber not being fully supported and use of buffalo bore. Definitly not for hot loads. Something to think about
I've personally loaded and fired tons of max loads to no ill effect, not even bulged brass, and all using factory barrels, that is something to keep in mind. Another thing to keep in mind is that the QC of some of those ammo makers is questionable at best. The ONLY time I've experienced Glock smiles is with, you guessed it, cheap (RBCD in this case) factory ammo and not my handloads or quality ammo with low deviation, like Hornady. When firing +P or similar ammo, use it from a reputable maker in the industry, not a boutique dealer, and don't fire a bunch of it over time, it can cause a KB. If you see Glock smiles, you are firing ammo that is over pressure, standard pressure ammo, even the hottest book loads, just don't do that.

I love my G20 and G29, looking for a Smith. Not sold on the 1911 being the best platform for 10mm, it simply wasn't made for that kind of punishment. So what fits you depends on what you are lookiing for in it. For carry, hard to beat the G29. For general firepower that works, hard to beat the G20. The Smith is a tank, and the 1911, more elegant but I personally don't think it is suited to full 10mm loads.

So take your pick! In my opinion it is had to go wrong with either the G20 or G29 depending on your needs, for backpack and range pistol, go with the G20, for carry and range, go with the G29. They are both great. The SF frame is also nice, it makes it more comfortable in the hands, but make sure to get the regular mag release and not the ambi one. Been there, done that, got a new frame. The G20SF with regular mag release, it is pretty nice... But I like to carry my G29, easier to shoot and more accurate than the G27 with slightly stiffer loads. It too can be loaded like a cannon, but I have the G20 for that, it's more of a range toy for me.

Finally, 10mm is a handloaders cartridge. If you don't load or plan on it real soon, it will be expensive to shoot and the ammo will be watered down. Factory 10mm ammo has to work in all the production pistols, including the 1911, which is, in my personal opinion, why it is watered down. The heavy stuff just batters 'em too much, but my G20 and G29 can take fairly heavy rounds all day with stiffer springs. No problems at all, but obviously these more powerful and accurate loads were made by me.

If you don't handload, the Glock G24 or G35 is a better choice. .40 factory ammo, on the other hand, is relatively hot. All of it. .40 is the ammo buyers cartridge (because it is difficult to safely reload, but that is another story).

Well, these are my experiences and observations. Good luck!
 
There was a post a few weeks ago about a kaboom with a glock 20 due to the chamber not being fully supported and use of buffalo bore. Definitly not for hot loads. Something to think about

The 20/29 chambers are more supported than other glock models. Not on par with S&W, Tanfoglio or most of the 1911's, but it's enough.

They can KB, but I am personally unaware of any 20/29 glocksplosions. The .40's are the usual culprit.

The G20/29 chambers are, however, thinner that S&W 10XX or the 1911's I've looked at. Slightly thicker than the Witness, though:

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Left to right:

Witness: 0.099"
Glock 20: 0.108"
S&W 1006: 0.130"
Kimber ST II: 0.132"
 
I have a G20 and G20 SF, both with Lonewolf barrels. Had some active mountain lion activity yesterday so I went looking looking for the feline to take pictures. Since I would be in thick mesquite, I changed out the 180gr Gold Dots for 200gr WFNs, both handloaded.

Went out this evening during heavy snow (yes it's snowing in the desert) looking for tracks, but didn't find any. Flashlight plus laser/light adds versatility to a very versatile caliber.
 
I was never a Glock fan but I really wanted a 10mm. Found a barely used G20 for around $400 and grabbed it. The Glock grip is still not my favorite but I have definitely warmed up to it and really like it now. I added a fiber optic sight, grip stippling, heavier recoil spring, steel guide rod, and new disconnect so the trigger pull is decent. Im a reloader too which is why I have a Lone Wolf barrel on the way to expand the possibilities for bullets and to keep the brass from bulging. I would have loved to have gotten a Colt or other 1911 in 10mm but for the price the G20 is the best way to get into the cartridge.

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