Trashyshoots
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If you don't handgun hunt I don't see you gaining much use besides 1 or 2 more rounds in a mag. However 10mms have a bark to them that makes them so much fun.
I always like Paul Harrell’s take on such important and complex topics and questions…
I always like Paul Harrell’s take on such important and complex topics and questions…
Great video! I'm a proponent of the 10mm and carry one in the woods. I would have liked to see him shoot a 200 grain hardcast 10mm in the meat test, since that's the most common bullet folks use for woods carry.
Probably a video on it somewhere by someone.
Ive never owned 10mm, but i have much experience with 45acp in over a dozen different guns. Does a 10mm offer a SIGNIFICANT performance increase? Paper ballistics are one thing, but is there a notable benefit? What would a 10mm do that a 45 would not? I dont really want a new caliber that doesn't offer a substantial increase in performance.
We have gone full circle back to 9mm. Lol.The 9 mm is your best friend, then.
We have gone full circle back to 9mm. Lol.
Actually, at their age, and they admit it, arthritic wrists and fingers “trumps the other stuff.”The Prophets of the 45 ACP, i.e., Bill Wilson, Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers have done the same. Accuracy, repeatability and capacity trump the other stuff.
Another factor that can’t be discounted which favors the 10mm is its better sectional density. That means a relatively heavy 10mm projectile, launched at real 10mm velocities, will have superior penetrative ability over the typically slower, heavier 45acp projectile.* * *
The energy however, is very different. 414ftlbs for the .45acp, versus 572ftlbs for the 10mm load. A difference of 158ftlbs.
The 10mm load is nothing special, whilst the .45acp load is pretty typical from a longer barrel than the 3.8" of the compact large frame Glocks. On paper the recoil is so close as to not matter. The difference is all in attainable velocity and the energy created from it. How much that matters to a person, will determine whether they think 10mm is worth something over .45acp.
Another factor that can’t be discounted which favors the 10mm is its better sectional density. That means a relatively heavy 10mm projectile, launched at real 10mm velocities, will have superior penetrative ability over the typically slower, heavier 45acp projectile.
I will say that there is a good range of bullet weights and types for the 45, but there is a bunch of options for the 10mm also.I like the range of options that 10mm offers compared to the 45, especially if you consider the 10mm short offerings (40 S&W).
Never said it was the "prime factor" between the two cartridges. One factor among several.Having thought about this a little (and finally watching the video), it seems to me that when comparing the two, sectional density is not the prime factor. I doubt the relatively small difference in sectional density between a .45 230gr solid and a 10mm 220gr solid (the highest SD a 10mm can get) is going to matter nearly as much as the difference of velocity, energy, and momentum.
After the bear had run around taking multiple (ineffective) hits, it stood upright, per the 25-year black bear guide in the video, at which point he fired his 10mm Kimber. Yes, as he stated, 4x COM hits.But I've never bear hunted, so perhaps the video is correct and .45acp solids don't penetrate bear hide and fat. Although the video also seems to suggest (or rather outright states) that a charging bear stopped its charge and stood on its hind legs exposing its chest long enough for the guide to put 4 rounds of 10mm in a tight group in the thoracic cavity.
Not necessarily for a heavily wounded bear being tracked.That would be very odd behavior of a bear. I'm personally very skeptical of almost everything in that video.