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You just made an inaccurate generalization, probably based on limited personal observations. No feathers ruffled.
1911 over rated
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I am a big fan of Glocks. If I had to pick something out of the rack at the gunshop and that would be my gun for all times I would probably take a G17. That said, I have a couple 1911 types I would put against a G17 in a reliablility test any day of the week and an accuracy test two times a day any day of the week. Limit the test to 2000 rounds of factory ammo between cleanings and I am absolutely positive we wouldn't find a winner until a TON of money was spent on ammo. I could say the same about the CZ-75 or 85, and a host of other guns. Getting back to the point of the thread, no the 1911 is not overrated, lots of people just haven't had a good one yet.
There is a good reason 10+ companies are making 1911's and nothing else even comes close. You have 3 or 4 making Hi-Power types, and then nothing even being made by more than 2 companies though the patents have run out on SOOO many of the currently hyped guns.
There is a good reason 10+ companies are making 1911's and nothing else even comes close. You have 3 or 4 making Hi-Power types, and then nothing even being made by more than 2 companies though the patents have run out on SOOO many of the currently hyped guns.
How does one agree or disagree with a question? It's not clear that someone choosing "agree" on the poll thinks the 1911 is great, or not.
Anyway, asking that question is as meaningless as asking if someone agrees or disagrees with this statement: "The weather in Florida is great."
It's an OPINION. There is no objective way to prove any particular pistol is great, or better than any other. I've shot 1911s and Smiths, and Walthers, and Glocks, and Sigs and others. The only reason I'd buy a 1911 is to say I have an example of an iconic American pistol design in my collection. Other than that, I don't want anything to do with them. You feeling different about that doesn't make me wrong or you right or vice versa.
Get over it.
K
Anyway, asking that question is as meaningless as asking if someone agrees or disagrees with this statement: "The weather in Florida is great."
It's an OPINION. There is no objective way to prove any particular pistol is great, or better than any other. I've shot 1911s and Smiths, and Walthers, and Glocks, and Sigs and others. The only reason I'd buy a 1911 is to say I have an example of an iconic American pistol design in my collection. Other than that, I don't want anything to do with them. You feeling different about that doesn't make me wrong or you right or vice versa.
Get over it.
K
So I guess I'm supposed to keep buying them until I find a good one, or take it to a smith and throw a extra $300 to get the thing running right. I dont think so buddy, thats not a reliable pistol in my mind
waiting for the next JMB
I'm hoping that, in my lifetime, someone will design a firearm that is truly revolutionary, like the 1911.
I'm hoping that, in my lifetime, someone will design a firearm that is truly revolutionary, like the 1911.
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hahaha, this is funny. Because handguns arent sub-machine guns, and sub-machine guns arent assult rifles. Perhaps it coult be said that JMB defined what the modern handgun should be. Though, something truely revolutionary would have to make a 1911, glock, or whatever there is already out there incapable of performing their intented role. Inmo that will never happen.
Those who know combat best selected a 1911
Those who know combat, who are most highly trained have selected a 1911 platform (recently Kimber). I doubt that a group of special forces professionals would take an overrated platform into combat . What do you think?
There is no such thing as the "perfect" pistol or revolver. Anything mechanical can and will fail, including break. As you try to decide what to buy, try as many pistols and revolvers as you have time and money to try (rent), then purchase what floats your boat.
I enjoy my pistol/revolver "mini-collection" which consists of some 1911s, Glocks, SA-XDs, P35, and a couple of revolvers. Which is best? My guess is that anyone who can give you an absolute answer is simply giving you an opinion (bias). I like them all, but that 1911 is hard to "beat". It is not an overrated platform.
I tested my Colt series 70 and my Glock 17 over the course of about two months about a year back. I fired my Colt Series 70 reproduction (stainless) over 3,000 rounds without cleaning, and adding oil every 100 to 150 rounds of ammunition. I completed this reliability/torture test without a failure of any form. My Glock 17 managed the same, at the same time. I finally cleaned both simply because they were starting to leave my hands grungy when I fired them.
So, based on these facts, which is superior? Which is overrated?
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Those who know combat, who are most highly trained have selected a 1911 platform (recently Kimber). I doubt that a group of special forces professionals would take an overrated platform into combat . What do you think?
There is no such thing as the "perfect" pistol or revolver. Anything mechanical can and will fail, including break. As you try to decide what to buy, try as many pistols and revolvers as you have time and money to try (rent), then purchase what floats your boat.
I enjoy my pistol/revolver "mini-collection" which consists of some 1911s, Glocks, SA-XDs, P35, and a couple of revolvers. Which is best? My guess is that anyone who can give you an absolute answer is simply giving you an opinion (bias). I like them all, but that 1911 is hard to "beat". It is not an overrated platform.
I tested my Colt series 70 and my Glock 17 over the course of about two months about a year back. I fired my Colt Series 70 reproduction (stainless) over 3,000 rounds without cleaning, and adding oil every 100 to 150 rounds of ammunition. I completed this reliability/torture test without a failure of any form. My Glock 17 managed the same, at the same time. I finally cleaned both simply because they were starting to leave my hands grungy when I fired them.
So, based on these facts, which is superior? Which is overrated?
Doc2005
To All that has responded, One I am 40 with a good amount of exp., I do like my 1911 and clones, I realy like my Glock, I am a person who body swet is strong, I have had rust problems with all my pistoles exeped with my glocks, i wear my pistols very close to me, Touches my skin no under shirts, Yes the 1911 is a great shooter and great history to it It has my greated rispect including the men and women who have served this great country, who are in the present serving I take my hat on to you in admiration No disrespect was intended just wanted to see the mind set out there after all it is a free country, thanks to them!!!!!!
but a lot of maintanance goes in to mine to prevent rust, This is why its the one I chose only for Castle protection were is not expose to me and weather, The Glock is the choice for CCW since is a low maintance pistol for me in my form of cary and weather. They are both great GUNS, Thank you all for youre opinons and for venting in this thread, OH! and yes it was COOPER Sorry for the miss print. Thank you all>>>>>>>
but a lot of maintanance goes in to mine to prevent rust, This is why its the one I chose only for Castle protection were is not expose to me and weather, The Glock is the choice for CCW since is a low maintance pistol for me in my form of cary and weather. They are both great GUNS, Thank you all for youre opinons and for venting in this thread, OH! and yes it was COOPER Sorry for the miss print. Thank you all>>>>>>>Overated?
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There's no semi-auto pistol that has the cache that the 1911 has. It's up there with Mom, Baseball & apple pie.
1911s have great triggers and that's probably what people like about them.
However they are maintenence intensive and quality differs across the board.
To me they are like Harleys, an old design that can be customized to the hilt but will never be as fast as a Honda or Ducati sportbike and will never ride as a nice BMW tourer
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There's no semi-auto pistol that has the cache that the 1911 has. It's up there with Mom, Baseball & apple pie.
1911s have great triggers and that's probably what people like about them.
However they are maintenence intensive and quality differs across the board.
To me they are like Harleys, an old design that can be customized to the hilt but will never be as fast as a Honda or Ducati sportbike and will never ride as a nice BMW tourer
I heard alot of talk saying that the 1911 rusts up?How does any gun rust up if you keep it clean dry and well oiled?The only time Ive had any of my guns get any rust on them was after a weekend of hunting in the rain and not being able to keep it dry or clean it right away. That surface rust easily brushed off. Could this be due to the person carring for the pistol or does the metal really rust that easy on some of them? Also, what is a good 1911 to get?
I'm not going to vote on this because I don't own a 1911 -- I've only shot one belonging to someone else. But I do own a Glock 21. I'd like to put in my two bits regarding the Glock, since some people are compare it a bit unfairly with the 1911.
A lot of people mistakenly believe that polymer = weak. Not so. There are even polymer inserts for ballistic vests that can stop rifle bullets. Ultra-high molecular weight polymers can be stronger than many kinds of steel, and that is certainly the case with the Glock frame. For all intents and purposes, it's indestructible.
Other characteristics of the Glock: It's impervious to rust, doesn't jam, is quite accurate, cleans easily (not that cleaning is necessary other than the barrel), has a barrel that will last forever, and has all metal parts coated with a finish that is just shy of diamond-hard.
Does a good 1911 have all of those advantages?
On the other hand, the 1911 isn't as likely to have a kaboom if you use reloads with weak brass or shoot too many all-lead bullets. It also has a much better trigger and can be tuned to outstanding accuracy.
If I had to have only one handgun to last me the rest of my life, there's no question it would be a Glock. But I can definitely see why people would take great pride in ownership of a 1911, especially a high-end one like a Les Baer. They're beautiful guns.
A lot of people mistakenly believe that polymer = weak. Not so. There are even polymer inserts for ballistic vests that can stop rifle bullets. Ultra-high molecular weight polymers can be stronger than many kinds of steel, and that is certainly the case with the Glock frame. For all intents and purposes, it's indestructible.
Other characteristics of the Glock: It's impervious to rust, doesn't jam, is quite accurate, cleans easily (not that cleaning is necessary other than the barrel), has a barrel that will last forever, and has all metal parts coated with a finish that is just shy of diamond-hard.
Does a good 1911 have all of those advantages?
On the other hand, the 1911 isn't as likely to have a kaboom if you use reloads with weak brass or shoot too many all-lead bullets. It also has a much better trigger and can be tuned to outstanding accuracy.
If I had to have only one handgun to last me the rest of my life, there's no question it would be a Glock. But I can definitely see why people would take great pride in ownership of a 1911, especially a high-end one like a Les Baer. They're beautiful guns.
I don't think they're overated as much as they are getting just too expensive. I can buy two or three nice guns for what one good 1911 costs.
Forever Armed:
You stated, "Other characteristics of the Glock: It's impervious to rust, doesn't jam, is quite accurate, cleans easily (not that cleaning is necessary other than the barrel), has a barrel that will last forever, and has all metal parts coated with a finish that is just shy of diamond-hard."
The only damage I noted as the result of my torture test, was that the left side of my Glock 17's slide rusted where the firearm came into contact with my skin. My STS Colt series 70 did not rust. The two were, as I noted previously, equally reliable. Glocks are tuff, but nothing is impervious. That's how I got where I did with my G17...I thought it was imperious.
You stated, "Other characteristics of the Glock: It's impervious to rust, doesn't jam, is quite accurate, cleans easily (not that cleaning is necessary other than the barrel), has a barrel that will last forever, and has all metal parts coated with a finish that is just shy of diamond-hard."
The only damage I noted as the result of my torture test, was that the left side of my Glock 17's slide rusted where the firearm came into contact with my skin. My STS Colt series 70 did not rust. The two were, as I noted previously, equally reliable. Glocks are tuff, but nothing is impervious. That's how I got where I did with my G17...I thought it was imperious.
I don't think the 1911 is "over rated" because I "read" as many bad things about them as good things. In fact, it may be "under rated" IMO...since that's what I shoot by choice and I think they shoot well.
The Glock may be "over rated" since I "read" they never break, malfunction, no cleaning, last a millon rounds and will survive a nuclear explosion.
Now, which one do you think is over rated?
The Glock may be "over rated" since I "read" they never break, malfunction, no cleaning, last a millon rounds and will survive a nuclear explosion.
Now, which one do you think is over rated?
Nope! No interest is buying a 1911
For what its worth, here are the 1911's I've had a chance to shoot that have malfunctioned one time or another
Kimber Custom II
Kimber Gold match II
Colt 1991 (orm) series 80
Colt 1991 (nrm) series 80
Colt 1911 (old GI model) prolly due to mag but still
Springer Loaded
All guns malfunction, its just how frequintley. Ive seen glocks that couldnt go ten rounds with out one. Just because one gun of a certain make malfunctioned doesnt mean they all do.
Bring it ON glock boy . I bet my KIMBER will out shoot your glock. Thats right I said kimber, it even has a external extractor
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. I bet my KIMBER will out shoot your glock. Thats right I said kimber, it even has a external extractor .Well I also must disagree. The 1911 is the best design ever for a battle pistol. Even better than the Hi Power because of the 9mm cartirdge in the HP. It is also "THE" choice for CQB, Special Forces, and pistol competitors worldwide and as such blows the fantastic plastic away in that respect. I owned 5 glocks and sold them all and now own nothing but 1911's and a bunch of revolvers. I'm not saying the Glock is not a great psitol, but is is not, and never will be in the class of a 1911. Oh, and BTW I have had 1911 since about 1975 and NEVER had an AD, or a malfunction due to the pistol, my only two malfunctions I have ever had with a 1911 were due to a faulty mag that I threw away at the range the minute it happened. And, it was a stock Colt Govt mag!
Just having some fun with you. Glocks and 1911's are both great pistols, just made to acomplish different things.
Glocks and 1911's are both great pistols, just made to acomplish different things.- Status
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