1911 over rated
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denfoote
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For some reason, I never got into 'ol slabsides.
Now, that said, I do own two of the critters!!
Maybe I'm to lazy, but I never took the time to learn the "swipe the safety" thing that you have to do to get the little monster to work when you withdraw it from it's resting place!! I'm told that it takes an ungodly number of presentations in order to get it down pat!! I think I'll just stick with my Ruger P97. It's the same size, carries the same number of rounds, and I don't have to fuss with that God awful safety!! The same holds true for my Glock 36!!!
Am I going to get rid of my 1911s?? Hell no!! One was a gift from my late mother!! Sentemental value alone prohibits me from hoofing it around!!
My other one is a kinda rare, no longer made, Israeli clone. Methinks I'll just keep it for a range pistol!!
Such are my views on JMB's legacy.
Now, that said, I do own two of the critters!!
Maybe I'm to lazy, but I never took the time to learn the "swipe the safety" thing that you have to do to get the little monster to work when you withdraw it from it's resting place!! I'm told that it takes an ungodly number of presentations in order to get it down pat!! I think I'll just stick with my Ruger P97. It's the same size, carries the same number of rounds, and I don't have to fuss with that God awful safety!! The same holds true for my Glock 36!!!
Am I going to get rid of my 1911s?? Hell no!! One was a gift from my late mother!! Sentemental value alone prohibits me from hoofing it around!!
My other one is a kinda rare, no longer made, Israeli clone. Methinks I'll just keep it for a range pistol!!
Such are my views on JMB's legacy.
I know I don't have to read this thread (which, I didn't)......I know I can keep my comments to myself.....(which I won't).......But I must ask......how many times can this pathetically BORING question be raised?? God Almighty....can this thread be closed?
I don't have to find a good Glock, they come that way out of the box.
You old timers crack me up. A couple things come to mind-
1911 - Pistol of the past, rusting in the future.
1911 - "King of feedway stoppages" Not verbatim, a quote from Ken Hackathorn in a recent issue of Surefire Tactics mag.
1911's are fun for the range and to show your friends, for serious work I'd rather have something that doesn't need to be "tuned" before I'd trust it.
Sniper X
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You no longer have to TUNE a 1911 as they all save for Colts and the GI type Springers come that way. I have a bunch of 1911s and have NEVER had one of the stoppages spoken of by non 1911 guys. Shoot, it seems that the only guys saying 1911s are unreliable are those who don't own them. Or those who had a Mag problem and didn't know that that is 99% of whu the rep is there. I had 4 Glocks, sold them all and now only have 1911s and a bunch of revolvers. I liked the Glocks, but never felt I could rely on them like my "old rusty 1911's"
Caanis Lupus
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Cut my teeth on a K-38 S&W .38 special.
Shot a Norinco 1911 and did not care for it at the time(early 20s).
Ended up buying a 92FS in stainless...it was ok. Sold it.
Bought a RIA 1911 on impulse while doing a rifle transfer...done deal.
I love my 1911. I love the .45. I have a frame/slide to make an officer model also. My GF loved my 1911 so much I had to buy her one to leave mine alone.
My next pistol purchase will be either another 1911 or a XD 5" .45...maybe.
Shot a Norinco 1911 and did not care for it at the time(early 20s).
Ended up buying a 92FS in stainless...it was ok. Sold it.
Bought a RIA 1911 on impulse while doing a rifle transfer...done deal.
I love my 1911. I love the .45. I have a frame/slide to make an officer model also. My GF loved my 1911 so much I had to buy her one to leave mine alone.
My next pistol purchase will be either another 1911 or a XD 5" .45...maybe.
Ohen Cepel
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It's seen as a flawless icon. Yet, many of them need "tinkering" just to get them to shoot out of the box. I find that unacceptable.
Also, the crazy high prices that people are buying them for just seems off the map!
Saw an article in SWAT magazine recently where a Vickers Tacitcal (price $2,875 ) didn't function correctly due to a bad extractor.
For that amount of money I think the gun should run out of the box. Yet, it's seemed as OK if it's a 1911.
I have one, but no love for it.
Also, the crazy high prices that people are buying them for just seems off the map!
Saw an article in SWAT magazine recently where a Vickers Tacitcal (price $2,875
) didn't function correctly due to a bad extractor.For that amount of money I think the gun should run out of the box. Yet, it's seemed as OK if it's a 1911.
I have one, but no love for it.
pistolman1974
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IMO the other quality guns do the job. They are effective, well made, accurate; everything you would want in a combat pistol, A "Blaster".
The 1911 is equivalent to the jedi's Light saber. It's lines are more elegant. It's owner can build it to his/her own specs and be intimately familiar with every part. After it's properly constructed its just as reliable and much more personal than what you buy at the local gun shop.
The 1911 is equivalent to the jedi's Light saber. It's lines are more elegant. It's owner can build it to his/her own specs and be intimately familiar with every part. After it's properly constructed its just as reliable and much more personal than what you buy at the local gun shop.
mpmarty
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Why would anyone be content with a $900 .45 holding eight rounds when a $500 .45 with fourteen rounds is available? The SA XD45 is more accurate, reliable, lighter weight and easier to maintain. Now if SA would only come out with a three inch XD in 45 acp.
das028
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I agree!
das028
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Why? We are having a good dicussion here, nobody is gettin out of line and we are not breaking any rules.
If the question is so pathetic and borning, why must you respond? If you dont like the thread, stay out of it. Its really that easy!
das028
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Your right I've never owned one, nor do I desire to. You're missing my point buddy, I've had alot of experience shooting 1911 and havent had any luck with them. Know why in the hell, would I want to through a grand down on a pistol (platform) that has constantly malfunctioned on me. That doesnt make to much sense, does it?
Oh yeah, to me a reliable pistol comes with a reliable mag.
never_summer
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how is an xd more accurate than a 1911?
and why would magazine capacity really matter, my sig is a single stack does that mean your xd is already better than it?
and why would magazine capacity really matter, my sig is a single stack does that mean your xd is already better than it?
mpmarty
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"how is an xd more accurate than a 1911?" Better lockup, better support for the Barrel / slide assy, striker fired = faster lock time, need I go on?
"and why would magazine capacity really matter, my sig is a single stack does that mean your xd is already better than it?" Yup, would no more limit my carry to old small capacity obsolete weapons than I would try to drive a horse and buggy on the interstate.
"and why would magazine capacity really matter, my sig is a single stack does that mean your xd is already better than it?" Yup, would no more limit my carry to old small capacity obsolete weapons than I would try to drive a horse and buggy on the interstate.
das028
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I could say the same thing for a glock
das028
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I would say they are even in terms of combat accuracy. But you dont see to many XD bullseye pistols out there, or Glocks for that matter. But I dont shoot bullseye, and when I choose a pistol that doesnt factor into anything.
And to answer your question about the sig, for a fighting pistol yes it does.
Phil DeGraves
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The 1911 is overrated like correct spelling is overrated.
By the way, it is not a "blowback" operated pistol; it is a short recoil locked breech.
And, like someone else said, the 1911 has been around for 100 years. The polymer wonderguns will have gone the way of the dodo in a hundred years (so will have most of us).
By the way, it is not a "blowback" operated pistol; it is a short recoil locked breech.
And, like someone else said, the 1911 has been around for 100 years. The polymer wonderguns will have gone the way of the dodo in a hundred years (so will have most of us).
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I suppose a 1911 can't hold a candle to the GLOCK and XD in the "chew toy" category.
Phil DeGraves
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The 1911 malfunctions at about the same rate that the GLOCKs blow up.
das028
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Come on Phil, elaborate please?
BTW, those are the same tired excuses everybody uses!
You dont like what we are saying, so you knock on somebodys spelling. Lets keep this civil so this thread doesnt get locked.
By the way, has your dog or anybody you know of, dog as used a glock as a chew toy?
Has a glock ever KB'ed on you?
And I dont even know what this means?
BTW, those are the same tired excuses everybody uses!
You dont like what we are saying, so you knock on somebodys spelling. Lets keep this civil so this thread doesnt get locked.
By the way, has your dog or anybody you know of, dog as used a glock as a chew toy?
Has a glock ever KB'ed on you?
And I dont even know what this means?
Depends on what you want to do with it. The 1911 does have a nice history and everybody (incl. non-gun people) seems to know the looks of it and its .45ACP cartridge. Shooting it is easy due to the 45's slowness and the gun's single action trigger.
It's not the ideal carry weapon by today's standards. heavy, single action, poor hollowpoint feeding, low round count, no changable grips, relatively expensive.
It's not the ideal carry weapon by today's standards. heavy, single action, poor hollowpoint feeding, low round count, no changable grips, relatively expensive.
Phil DeGraves
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"By the way, has your dog or anybody you know of, dog as used a glock as a chew toy?"
"Has a glock ever KB'ed on you?"
Answer #1 Yes. (well, actually, it was a S&W Sigma, but since GLOCK sued S&W on a patent infringement claim and WON, we can assume that a GLOCK would not have fared any better.
Answer #2 Not to me personally, but to two (not one, but TWO) people I know.
The fact is, whether something is "worth the money" or "overrated" is a purely subjective viewpoint. We 1911 guys are never going to convince you GLOCK guys and you guys will never convince us. To us, the 1911 is the best gun going and we can offer SUBJECTIVE proof that it is the best gun for US. You guys may be able to do the same for your GLOCKs. What neither of us will be able to do is convince the other that the others gun is better for us. Nor should we. As someone said on another thread "Celebrate diversity."
You shoot your plastic and we'll shoot our steel and we'll all have a good time at the range.
"Has a glock ever KB'ed on you?"
Answer #1 Yes. (well, actually, it was a S&W Sigma, but since GLOCK sued S&W on a patent infringement claim and WON, we can assume that a GLOCK would not have fared any better.
Answer #2 Not to me personally, but to two (not one, but TWO) people I know.
The fact is, whether something is "worth the money" or "overrated" is a purely subjective viewpoint. We 1911 guys are never going to convince you GLOCK guys and you guys will never convince us. To us, the 1911 is the best gun going and we can offer SUBJECTIVE proof that it is the best gun for US. You guys may be able to do the same for your GLOCKs. What neither of us will be able to do is convince the other that the others gun is better for us. Nor should we. As someone said on another thread "Celebrate diversity."
You shoot your plastic and we'll shoot our steel and we'll all have a good time at the range.
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