2 New Gun Related Bills, 1 Resolution Introduced In Congress

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Well it looks like congress is starting back up with new gun bills, two new bills (one in the Senate, one in the House) and one resolution)

The first two have no text but the descriptions don't look like they are good news. The third, HB1860 looks like it is redefining every term used to describe a firearm. You have to go to page 293 to see the firearm text .... love the part where they include starter pistols in the definition of firearm.

We need to keep an eye on these and see what exactly they are up to.

Proposed Federal Gun Legislation HR258 - American Gun Owners Alliance

Proposed Federal Gun Legislation SB1149 - American Gun Owners Alliance

Proposed Federal Gun Legislation HB1860 - American Gun Owners Alliance
 
Good God. 1250 pages in the third bill. Are these people paid by the metric ton?
 
They feel the same way. If something is that big and there isn't enough time to go over the whole thing it should get crushed. You don't sign a contract without reading it first; why pass a law that affects more than just yourself?

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It seems to be a rewrite of all federal gun laws in one tidy package. I am sure there are some zingers in there. As I read the destructive device section, it appears to define PGO shotguns as a DD because of the limited definition of a shotgun as a device fired from the shoulder. I have read enough to know that this bill is a load of crap.
 
I agree that we need to watch what's going on, but right now both the Senate and House are up to their eyeballs in unfinished but critical business. On the other hand they want to go home for the Summer, both to touch base and take a long vacation (nice work if you can get it).

Unless something happens to change the picture, I doubt they will do anything more with firearms legislation before the Fall - if then.

But putting more e-mails it their in-boxes is never a bad idea. ;)
 
HB1860 looks like a proposed revision/clean up the entire federal criminal code, Title 18 of the United States Code. Glancing at the firearms part, I really didn't see any actual changes to the text (although there might be some). What I did look at basically was current law with sections renumbered.

I didn't see any links to the actual texts of HR258 or SB1149. Without the actual language there's really nothing to discuss since we don't know what these proposals actually say.

I'll leave this thread open for a bit, but if no one can come up with some real substance to be discussed, I'll be closing it later today.

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calaverasslim said:
What a bunch of gobbley-gook. I got to pg 340 and ended up cross eyed.
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I think that's the point
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Nonetheless, that is how statutes are written. And as I noted much seems to simply be current law.

If one plans to be an informed gun owner he'll need to learn to read and understand the actual law.
 
Frank Ettin said:
I didn't see any links to the actual texts of HR258 or SB1149. Without the actual language there's really nothing to discuss since we don't know what these proposals actually say.
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Yes, the texts of the two others haven't been registered with the library of congress so they aren't up yet. I would assume they will come in tonight with an update.
 
dc dalton said:
Frank Ettin said:
I didn't see any links to the actual texts of HR258 or SB1149. Without the actual language there's really nothing to discuss since we don't know what these proposals actually say.
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Yes, the texts of the two others haven't been registered with the library of congress so they aren't up yet. I would assume they will come in tonight with an update.
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Well without the actual texts there's nothing to discuss.
 
no way in hell I'm reading all 1250 pages
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That's the way they got Obamacare passed - they're counting on that, exactly. Remember, "We have to pass the bill to find out what's IN the bill" ?

Need some legal beagles who can hammer these things into non-legalese, and if they make it anywhere, that will happen through NRA, GOA or SAF.
 
we have to be very careful of changes to definitions. Changes require people knowledgeable in all the laws where the term is used to understand what is really changing.
 
MErl said:
we have to be very careful of changes to definitions. Changes require people knowledgeable in all the laws where the term is used to understand what is really changing.
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True, but is that applicable here? Do the firearm related provisions of HB1860 change any definitions?

So once again I ask if there's anything substantive to discuss here.
 
Frank Ettin said:
So once again I ask if there's anything substantive to discuss here.
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I think I agree with you on this one. After looking up the current law on my previous post about PGO shotguns, it is the same as in the bill. (which makes me wonder how PGO shotguns are not DDs under current law, but that is a separate issue)

It seems to be a placeholder to be marked up and amended in Committee. I also wonder what the rationale is for the bill to have been submitted by another NRA A-rated politician. Are there some Easter eggs hidden in there?

The only thing I came up with is mandatory minimum sentences for violent crime with possession/use of a gun starting on page 381. I have not been able to research whether this is already in the current laws. (edit: It's already there in 924(c). I got nothing.)
 
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They feel the same way. If something is that big and there isn't enough time to go over the whole thing it should get crushed. You don't sign a contract without reading it first; why pass a law that affects more than just yourself?

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Worked for 0bamacare. Does "you have to pass it to see what's in it" ring a bell?
 
Article in the newspaper showed flocks of people in green teeshirts standing outside capitol hill, took buses yesterday to get there, called themselves the Newtown Action Alliance. I wonder what sources paid for that.
Timing of these bills and those crocodile tears aren't coincidence.
 
Looks like on the second one they might want serial numbers on magazines.
I could be wrong but that's how my brain interprets part of it.
 
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