Ohio Lawmakers Introduce Constitutional Carry Bill
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another pake
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I'm not sure what this even means, and I don't know what a John Wayne type idiot is either, but if John is a citizen, his rights are stated in and guaranteed by the Constitution. Any exclusions and how they are implemented becomes the sticking point.
rooter said:
It removes unnecessary bureaucracy from the right of citizens to legally carry a defensive firearm. Responsible citizens will still obtain the training that they need to be comfortable with the safe handling of their weapon and knowledge of the current self defense laws. Criminals and irresponsible citizens already don't care.
What specific changes would you be in favor of in regards to the current law to stop irresponsible citizens from obtaining a CHL?
Deanimator
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"Tightened up" HOW?
Property/means test?
Political affiliation/"reliability" test?
Religious test?
"Paper bag" test?
Those are some of the traditional ways of "tightening up" who can own and carry guns.
Give us some details.
Inquiring minds want to know...
Deanimator
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Oh, they'll TRY, but then they've tried a bunch of things in a bunch of other places, failing MISERABLY in all but the most leftwing states. And even in Colorado, there's been a political price to pay, and there may be one coming in New York.
472x1A/B
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I know there is a lot to figure out on this, but I for one hope this does go through. I think it would shake up a few elected officals here in Ill. as to what may happen in the future here.
bigfatdave
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A reminder for Ohioans - you should be bothering your representative about this, demanding active support.
Rushthezeppelin
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Same way they are trying currently to affect the Texas gubernatorial elections by dumping tons of money into the Wendy Davis (aka abortion Barbie) campaign.
I'll lay my credentials next to yours any day of the week.
My point exactly. Thugs are carrying --illegally-- and being charged accordingly under the current laws. Those same thugs could no longer be charged under the proposed bill. This bill--which will never go anywhere, by the way-- has disaster written all over it.
Wishful thinking, but most people will do the bare minimum. Sadly, a small % of firearms owners are what I would consider responsible citizens anyway. Furthermore, most CCW holders receive no formal training (Let's face it the CCW class is a joke), most do not practice regularly, most are not proficient or safe, most do not even carry in an adequate holster. This will only get worse if the joke we call the CCW class is no longer required. Training and proficiency requirements need to become more stringent.
Increased training hours, true state regulation of trainers/training centers (what we have now is a joke), testing conducted at state staffed testing centers, and annual recertification.
There are quite a few John Wayne type idiots featured in this thread.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=729101
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Rooter,
I'm assuming you're a cop; you certainly seem to believe your right to carry a firearm is somehow more secure or more 'worthy' than other peoples' right to.
Your comment, "
As far as civilian training being too lenient, I would agree; I can't even shoot ONE bystander, much less two, when under stress. It takes a trained professional to accomplish something like that.
Larry
I'm assuming you're a cop; you certainly seem to believe your right to carry a firearm is somehow more secure or more 'worthy' than other peoples' right to.
Your comment, "
seems to indicate that you don't really even like most gun owners. Perhaps you should frequent www.copsRcoolNcitizensuck.com, where you're more likely to fit in?
As far as civilian training being too lenient, I would agree; I can't even shoot ONE bystander, much less two, when under stress. It takes a trained professional to accomplish something like that.
Larry
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I just read the wording of the bill in the OP's link.
This bill would place the burden of proof on the GOVERNMENT when claiming any person who carries a firearm (without a specific permit) is not allowed to do so!
THAT'S INSANE, MAN! What are these crazy gun freaks thinking? Next thing you know, it'll be the Wild West with shootouts happening in all the streets at high noon! People will be carrying guns EVERYWHERE, scaring babies and women alike! It'll start raining frogs, plagues of locusts will cover the land, and lions will lay down with lambs to make really wooly kitty cats!
Seriously, that would be AWESOME!
(The Constitutional Carry, not the plagues and such. Though really wooly kitty cats would be awesome, too.)
This bill would place the burden of proof on the GOVERNMENT when claiming any person who carries a firearm (without a specific permit) is not allowed to do so!
THAT'S INSANE, MAN! What are these crazy gun freaks thinking? Next thing you know, it'll be the Wild West with shootouts happening in all the streets at high noon! People will be carrying guns EVERYWHERE, scaring babies and women alike! It'll start raining frogs, plagues of locusts will cover the land, and lions will lay down with lambs to make really wooly kitty cats!
Seriously, that would be AWESOME!
(The Constitutional Carry, not the plagues and such. Though really wooly kitty cats would be awesome, too.)
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Onward Allusion
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Wow. May I ask why are you even on this board? I mean why subject yourself to such irresponsible individuals who you view as inferior? Surely you have better things to do?
yzguy87
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Idk, maybe we could use some plagues on earth, you know, for population control and such........ Lol! I J/K! Plagues would be aweful.
All jokes aside,
I think Ryanxia has it nailed in post 33! Time to bug our elected officials!
........ Lol! I J/K! Plagues would be aweful.All jokes aside,
I think Ryanxia has it nailed in post 33! Time to bug our elected officials!
I believe in my locale the economy is improving. Therefore, I will not start my 2 year college just yet, because, maybe there will be a decent job coming this way, soon....
You NEVER lose anything from training. Even in the .01% chance this passes Ohio, you are still RESPONSIBLE for your actions. And qualifications, training, ALWAYS helps.
You NEVER lose anything from training. Even in the .01% chance this passes Ohio, you are still RESPONSIBLE for your actions. And qualifications, training, ALWAYS helps.
So, just to clarify: I must be a police officer because when you insult me I offer to trump your credentials??? LOL.....Is that the best you can come up with?
Really, genius, when/where was this mentioned?
I guess since you aren't intelligent enough to attack my argument, a personal attack must suffice. I don't like what I see, and I pointed out what I would change. You choose to attack me personally and behave as an imbecile???
Yeah....you are really making a point now. Could you share with the group the highest level of education you have attained?
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Rooter-it's the internet; everyone's Rob Leatham.
Maybe you aren't a cop, in which case you developed your elitist attitude on your own; must have been a lot of work. I still believe you are-the arrogance smells familiar.
If you want to talk facts, let's see all the data supporting how Ohio concealed carry permit holders are running amok, how gang bangers are getting permits and how their training is endangering the public (placed into statistical context, of course.)
Larry
Maybe you aren't a cop, in which case you developed your elitist attitude on your own; must have been a lot of work. I still believe you are-the arrogance smells familiar.
If you want to talk facts, let's see all the data supporting how Ohio concealed carry permit holders are running amok, how gang bangers are getting permits and how their training is endangering the public (placed into statistical context, of course.)
Larry
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Time to get busy with the letters and get on the horn and urge your Reps to support this bill. Ohio can be the trendsetter state for some very positive changes.
DT, I won't address your efforts to be asinine. Not once have you attack my argument; you simply sling insults, change the context of statements, and assume.
I asked for the highest level of education you have attained. You seem to have difficulty reading and comprehending, so I'm curious.
Take a look at the number of CCW permits denied and revoked in Ohio from 2010 to 2013. Attend some of the shoddy, lowest bidder, one day CCW courses being offered. Take a look at how some pistol toting nimrods are packing their Hi Points. Read some of the threads here about the irresponsible handling of firearms. Take a look at the threads about how many people actually train and how often.
You may have the last word, as I am finished with your inability to debate the issue with any semblance of intellect. I leave you with this question: Would you rather see a firearm carried and used by a competent, well trained individual with the mental capacity and character to handle it responsibility, or would you prefer every swinging dick with a Hi Point, little competence, no training, and almost no criminal record--who may deploy it responsibly, may send an errant round through your kid's head by accident, or may use it for unlawful purposes-- be toting a gun.
Unrestricted CCW does not come at all costs to society. Thankfully, those making the rules understand this.
I asked for the highest level of education you have attained. You seem to have difficulty reading and comprehending, so I'm curious.
Take a look at the number of CCW permits denied and revoked in Ohio from 2010 to 2013. Attend some of the shoddy, lowest bidder, one day CCW courses being offered. Take a look at how some pistol toting nimrods are packing their Hi Points. Read some of the threads here about the irresponsible handling of firearms. Take a look at the threads about how many people actually train and how often.
You may have the last word, as I am finished with your inability to debate the issue with any semblance of intellect. I leave you with this question: Would you rather see a firearm carried and used by a competent, well trained individual with the mental capacity and character to handle it responsibility, or would you prefer every swinging dick with a Hi Point, little competence, no training, and almost no criminal record--who may deploy it responsibly, may send an errant round through your kid's head by accident, or may use it for unlawful purposes-- be toting a gun.
Unrestricted CCW does not come at all costs to society. Thankfully, those making the rules understand this.
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