Proposed bill would let Ohioans carry concealed firearms without a permit

[Midwest]

I find it interesting that Kathleen Sebelius is from Ohio (and from Cincinnati) and her father was the Governor of Ohio at one time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius
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[Officers'Wife]

For all the obstacles I wish my Buckeye neighbors luck in getting this passed. If only because when can then use the statistics from Ohio to get the same consideration in Indiana.

 

[Slappy White]

FYI, I apologize if I offended anyone. I was just giving the guys from Kansas a hard time. It's tough being a pro-gun liberal! I gotta get my licks in when I can.

 

[1911 guy]

So much for the home rule and preemption discussed between posts 12 and 22. Cleveland, where i work, just passed a city ordnance banning concealed carry. The words of city council? We need gun control, whether it works or not.

 

[Red Wind]

Cleveland, where i work, just passed a city ordnance banning concealed carry.

Cleveland wants to be Philadelphia. That ordinance should be struck down quite quickly. You do have state preemption in Ohio.

Florida ended this problem in 2011, charging local officials $5000 for each illegal sign or ordinance offense. That solved the problem These leftists do understand money.

 

[Red Wind]

From http://handgunlaw.us/states/ohio.pdf, Ohio State Preemption

State Preemption
Sec.
9.68.
(A)
The individual right to
keep and bear arms, being a fundamental individual right that predates
the United States Constitution and Ohio Constitution, and being a constitutionally protected right in every
part of Ohio, the general assembly finds the need to provide uniform laws through out
the state regulating the
ownership, possession, purchase, other acquisition, transport, storage, carrying, sale, or other transfer of
firearms, their components, and their ammunition. Except as specifically provided by the United States
Constitution
, Ohio Constitution, state law, or federal law, a person, without further license, permission,
restriction, delay, or process, may own, possess, purchase, sell, transfer, transport, store, or keep any firearm,
part of a firearm, its components, and its
ammunition.
(B)
In addition to any other relief provided, the court shall award costs and reasonable attorney fees to any
person, group, or entity that prevails in a challenge to an ordinance, rule, or regulation as being in conflict
with this section.
(C
)
As used in this section:
(1)
The possession, transporting, or carrying of firearms, their components, or their ammunition
include, but are not limited to, the possession, transporting, or carrying, openly or concealed on a
person's person or concealed ready
at hand, of firearms, their components, or their ammunition.

 

[1911 guy]

In theory, you're right. Eventually, the ordnance will be overturned. But the fact remains that it will stand until challenges reach the state supreme court. The city council who signed it knew it was illegal when they did so. But we're talking about the city of Cleveland, where the FBI came to investigate one official and held a press conference where they stated the level of corruption was staggering.

Ohio has a lot going for it. Unfortunately, this isn't an example of those things.

 

[carbine85]

This BS law will not hold up in court. When Cleveland looses they should be forced to pay all legal expenses involved.
Why should it have to go to court anyway? Can't the States Attorney Office step in?

 

[rtroha]

So much for the home rule and preemption discussed between posts 12 and 22. Cleveland, where i work, just passed a city ordnance banning concealed carry. The words of city council? We need gun control, whether it works or not.

...and in less than 24 hours later, Ohioans for Concealed Carry filed a lawsuit.

http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2015/04/gun_rights_advocacy_group_sues.html

 

[CoalTrain49]

I see a trend in constitutional carry. It has some benefits.

1) The state doesn't have to operate and administer the permit system which saves them money. Most states are operating in the red when you consider the pensions and those permits don't generate enough money to pay the freight. It's already illegal for a restricted person to carry a firearm so it's pretty much redundant.

2) It takes care of the reciprocity issue. Another log jam that LEO's don't have to worry about. A drivers license is enough to tell any LEO if the person is prohibited in any state. If they are carrying then that's an arrest right there. A permit really doesn't mean a lot to an LEO, all it tells them is you passed a back ground check within the last 5 years. They are generally going to go beyond that anyway if they suspect you of any criminal activity. If you are engaged in criminal activity a CPL isn't going alter their investigation. Most LEO's treat everyone as having the potential to be armed.

Mostly, I think the objections to CC come from people who have a financial interest in the permit system like trainers or they have an interest in having everyone get a back ground check and have their firearm registered, like Bloomberg.

I want everyone to note that there is no federal code against carrying a concealed weapon unless you are a prohibited person. If there were the states that have CC would be in violation of federal law.

Every state should float some CC legislation. It just might surprise you who would be in favor of it. I support it.

 

[Red Wind]

I want everyone to note that there is no federal code against carrying a concealed weapon unless you are a prohibited person. If there were the states that have CC would be in violation of federal law.

Every state should float some CC legislation. It just might surprise you who would be in favor of it. I support it.

Good points. States should start floating ASAP. If not sooner!

 

[TimSr]

Every state should float some CC legislation. It just might surprise you who would be in favor of it. I support it.

Gotta be patient. We lost our rights in tiny increments over many years. We need to get them back incrementally as well.

When Florida lead the way in the nation (Vermont was always ignored) in concealed carry permitting many years, there were predictions of wild west shootouts and blood in the streets. Its takes gradual implementation so people can get used to and comfortable with the 2nd Amendment again, and time for them to realize their fears will not materialize. Wasn't that many years ago, the only way to get permission in a lot of states to carry a self defense weapon was to become a police officer. We have come a long way fast, and we will get there if we don't force feed to the fearful at a rate they choke on.

 

[Jeff H]

The laws are changing fairly rapidly in Ohio. There is a bunch of laws that need to be modified and eliminated.

I'm all for constitutional carry as long as the lawmakers find a way to work out the reciprocity issue. Having constitutional carry and only having reciprocity with other states that do will not do us any good.