.223 should be illegal for deer hunting.

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I guess that's the latest strategy to "win" arguments on the internet. Accuse someone of acting like a liberal.

But you ARE acting like a liberal! You're proposing a law based on your opinion of what's reasonable, an opinion with which no small number of experienced hunters disagree! This is no different than my proposing to ban bowhunting because arrows are less effective.

Heck, while we're at it, prohibit any caliber delivering less power than a 375 H&H, and prohibit shots over 75 yards. . . someone might wound a deer with that underpowered 300 magnum, and that's just not reasonably in my opinion.

Well, it's just my opinion. . .

And I share your opinion. . . but I do not propose to use the power of the state to impose that opinion on anyone else.
 
Because you can't expect to educate everyone to the point of bullet selection. They are going to grab what they can off the shelves at Wal-mart and go hunt. So it's the responsibility of the state wildlife agencies to ensure that people are hunting with weapons that can do the job quickly and humanely.

My "narrative" comment was the fact that everyone and their brother these days is hunting with AR-15's in .223/5.56 - a weapon that was never designed to hunt deer - because they want to use their new toys. Grabbing dad's old .270 or '06 just isn't as sexy as taking a "MSR" into the woods these days.

We have a responsibility to the game we hunt to dispatch it quickly and humanely. Anyone that thinks the .223 is the answer for quickly and humanely dispatching whitetails versus another higher powered caliber is telling themselves a story IMO.

IMO, if you grab budged over the counter ammo at least you should do some research on the bullet you are getting.
I don't think for hunting with a bow you go and buy the first budget bow and arrow a kid at the counter will give you w/o a minimum understanding of what is good for an animal.
In the hunter education and when asking conservation officers they will give you also good recommendation in terms the ideal minimum, bullet choices and obviously
what is approved or not for that area, animal.
No service caliber in the world was originally designed to hunt deer but they end up being popular because they normally provide plenty rifle and components choices to go
hunting so when men came back from war or what not, so they used their service rifles or variants of it for generations to harvest the game, ideally with the right bullets.

Again not my first choice but this doesn't mean it cannot be done right and it should be banned. Enforcement is not substitute for education. See how the war on drugs is going.

I don't think we disagree in everything but generalizations like that across the board are going to be controversial and kind of close the door for dialog and learning.
You know you are going to find seasoned 22 bore hunters and many they do a good job with it.

Again, ideal hunting caliber? no Capable in expert hands and reasonable weight and expectations? you bet.

If you think about it, the anatomy and complexity of soft skin animals like a white tail at the vitals area is not very different from a human from small to large.
On top you have bullets like the solid ie: Barnes TTSX 62gr that are pretty consistent in terms of quick activation and terminal effect regardless of the caliber and grain
given high impact speeds with this type of bullet construction.

So if you use that one on a hog or a deer and put it on the shoulder, even with heavy bones of boars will anchor the animal and if you inject that wound into the plexus
area there is plenty of wounding to provide an instant comma and quick kills. Even in the vitals there is no much difference between a 22 and a 6mm or 6.5 in terms
of wounding all pretty broad and deep enough to provide a pass trough including bone but not after dumping plenty of momentum.

I understand some of the concerns but also lets not trash a caliber when we know the key is in the bullet selection and not the casing.

I think if one doesn't feel comfortable then one should use a more forgiving caliber. But from there to say a casing should be outlawed, that is a stretch.
 
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