High Planes Drifter
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Fantastic movie. I saw it last night. Whoever the actress was that played Leonidas' wife is Haaaaaawwwwwttttt !!!!!!!
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Stretchman
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Throughout the old testament, entire societies fell for disobedience to God. There were many times that these so called civilizations fell prey to and were occupied by the pagans, until such a point in time as they returned to their proper belief system.
It would be categorically impossible to decide who was right or wrong from here. Sometimes a theocracy is worse when they don't hold true to their system of beliefs than any form of paganism.
It would be categorically impossible to decide who was right or wrong from here. Sometimes a theocracy is worse when they don't hold true to their system of beliefs than any form of paganism.
Rock_Steady
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Zoog, come on, man, buddy, it's just a movie. Have some popcorn. Its based on a comic book. Nobody in thier right mind would belive the monsters - or the wolf with glowing eyes. Very loosely based in fact, like to the point that one could almost believe that Sparta was a real place. WE know the real story. We wanted to have some fun.
Great flick, saw it with the wife, she liked it, though I'm sure we liked it for different reasons. Looking forward to seeing it again.
Great flick, saw it with the wife, she liked it, though I'm sure we liked it for different reasons. Looking forward to seeing it again.
Sometimes a theocracy is worse when they don't hold true to their system of beliefs than any form of paganism.
a theocracy has nothing to do with christianity or any other belief system, it just means rule by religous elite. a theocracy can be pagan.
pat
a theocracy has nothing to do with christianity or any other belief system, it just means rule by religous elite. a theocracy can be pagan.
pat
The veracity of accounts of what actually happened at the Battle of Thermopylae (and others) are still debated today. Do you really think the accounts we have of a battle from over 2000 years ago are "historically accurate"? Herotodus was known to come up with some doozies.
It was an OK flick. Nothing earth shattering, but good fun for a matinee.
jm
It was an OK flick. Nothing earth shattering, but good fun for a matinee.
jm
Brian Dale
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Actually, Zoogster, the sentences of mine that you quoted were not about real life in ancient Sparta or any of the other ancient Greek city-states, nor in ancient Persia.
I was referring to
300: The Movie.
Glad I could clear that up.
Note: No actual Persians were harmed during the making of this post or the movie to which it refers. Nor Spartans neither. Not even monsters. Nope.
I was referring to
300: The Movie.
Glad I could clear that up.
Note: No actual Persians were harmed during the making of this post or the movie to which it refers. Nor Spartans neither. Not even monsters. Nope.
kentucky_smith
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Zoog, if you're going to attempt academia by spouting how things really were so matter-of-factly, you need to cite your sources.
Not a lot of contemporary sources on the battle of Thermopylae. Herodotus wasn't there.
Not a lot of contemporary sources on the battle of Thermopylae. Herodotus wasn't there.
horge
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Zoog,
I'm a big fan of historicity, but almost any movie that attempts it is going
to fail, because establishing accurate context alone might take days of screentime.
My wife and I enjoyed the movie immensely.
I do have a question for my American brothers, though:
"300" started screening in the Philippines on March 5-6.
When did it open on your side of the big urinal?
horge
P.S. Herodotos was a fairly unreliable historian, sometimes inflating Athenian glory
at Spartan expense, and worse, making up etymologies when he hadn't a clue ("Immortals"... pfhhh).
Thucydides wasn't much different; and centuries later, Plutarch the agitprop hack tried to correct
their biases with the deftness of an epileptic rhinoceros.
I'm a big fan of historicity, but almost any movie that attempts it is going
to fail, because establishing accurate context alone might take days of screentime.
My wife and I enjoyed the movie immensely.
I do have a question for my American brothers, though:
"300" started screening in the Philippines on March 5-6.
When did it open on your side of the big urinal?
horge
P.S. Herodotos was a fairly unreliable historian, sometimes inflating Athenian glory
at Spartan expense, and worse, making up etymologies when he hadn't a clue ("Immortals"... pfhhh).
Thucydides wasn't much different; and centuries later, Plutarch the agitprop hack tried to correct
their biases with the deftness of an epileptic rhinoceros.
Brian Dale
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March 9th.
It took three or four days to flush over to here? I'm swiping your metaphor for the big, wide, flat, wet place.
It took three or four days to flush over to here? I'm swiping your metaphor for the big, wide, flat, wet place.
Husker1911
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I read Marvel comic books by the bushel basket as a kid. I truly enjoyed "Sin City." Yet, I'm a voluminous reader/watcher of history. I don't care to read my history from a comic book. All due respects to the many expressing their enthusiasm for "300," but I'm going to await the DVD. Still, I look forward to seeing the movie!
modifiedbrowning
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horge, it opened in the U.S. Friday, March 9.
I'm definitely going to see it.
I'm definitely going to see it.
Detritus
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bit OT but i feel it must be said......
to be utterly and completely clear... the reason Thermopyle is a highly important battle to US (as members/citizens of a "Western Democracy"), is That the Delaying action there resulted in the survival of Greek culture and political theory. And from Greek political thought arose the tenents upon which we consider modern democracy to be founded.
As for Thermopyle and and the american gun culture, if not for "Molon Labe" we'd not hold Thermopyle, any more sacred than other (and frankly, to the majority of americans better known) acts of bravery and defiance in the face of overwhelming odds, such as at Bastogne during the battle of the bulge and General McAuliffe's response of "NUTS!" to a german surrender request.
Those of us that are passionate about the second ammendment, to the point of having a willingness to physically defend it, and/or die before we would submit to the confiscation of our firearms, tend to veiw MOLON LABE as a way to say "from my cold dead hands" in a way that
1. Is less likely to "scare the sheeple"
2. sounds more intelligent
3. links OUR sentiments and beleifs back to an important time in history, and therefore may help others understand WHY we feel as we do
so without a two word quote, that some histories of the battle leave out, we as "gunnies" would care about as much about "300" as we did about Troy and Gladiator, or even dare i say Sin City. ie not enough to waste time complaining.
to be utterly and completely clear... the reason Thermopyle is a highly important battle to US (as members/citizens of a "Western Democracy"), is That the Delaying action there resulted in the survival of Greek culture and political theory. And from Greek political thought arose the tenents upon which we consider modern democracy to be founded.
As for Thermopyle and and the american gun culture, if not for "Molon Labe" we'd not hold Thermopyle, any more sacred than other (and frankly, to the majority of americans better known) acts of bravery and defiance in the face of overwhelming odds, such as at Bastogne during the battle of the bulge and General McAuliffe's response of "NUTS!" to a german surrender request.
Those of us that are passionate about the second ammendment, to the point of having a willingness to physically defend it, and/or die before we would submit to the confiscation of our firearms, tend to veiw MOLON LABE as a way to say "from my cold dead hands" in a way that
1. Is less likely to "scare the sheeple"
2. sounds more intelligent
3. links OUR sentiments and beleifs back to an important time in history, and therefore may help others understand WHY we feel as we do
so without a two word quote, that some histories of the battle leave out, we as "gunnies" would care about as much about "300" as we did about Troy and Gladiator, or even dare i say Sin City. ie not enough to waste time complaining.
Gold Bricks
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I found that the movie was even better than the previews. It is now in my favorites list. It was great from the beginning to the end.
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Is there really any acutal portrayal in any movie made about an historical event. Everyone always will influence things to make it more interesting for us modern boring folk. I just go see movies to see them and hope they bring me entertainment.
OTH
Is there really any acutal portrayal in any movie made about an historical event. Everyone always will influence things to make it more interesting for us modern boring folk. I just go see movies to see them and hope they bring me entertainment.
I am a major fan of historical epic warfare movies, such as Braveheart and Gladiator and the like. After seeing 300 last night, while I can't say it was my favorite overall movie from that genre, I certainly think it had the best action scenes that I have ever seen. Almost went back today to see it again. Spartans were the most incredible warriors ever.
TimboKhan
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Zoog, by merit of my education, I can justly call myself a "historian" and I have to tell you, I could care less if it is grossly inaccurate. I go to the movies to have fun, see cool stuff, and be entertained by the story line. It matters not one bit to me that the movie is a false representation of a true event. Simply put, I am going to go see 300 because I want to see the effects, I like Frank Miller and because it is something different. Romance movies do not accurately portray love, war movies cannot accurately get across the horror of war, and westerns don't accurately portray how hard life in the old west really was. It doesn't stop me from watching and enjoying them (except the romance movies...), and neither will the inaccuracies in 300 stop me from watching and enjoying it.
horge
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Brian, modifiedb,
Thanks.
I don't get why we got to see it before you did.
It'd be terrible if it was to pre-empt box office losses from DVD piracy.
...almost like rewarding a country for its IPR violations*.
horge
*To be fair, much DVD piracy here can be traced to China and Malaysia.
Thanks.
I don't get why we got to see it before you did.
It'd be terrible if it was to pre-empt box office losses from DVD piracy.
...almost like rewarding a country for its IPR violations*.
horge
*To be fair, much DVD piracy here can be traced to China and Malaysia.
Brian Dale
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If it did pre-empt some of it and put money into the pockets of the people who actually made the movie, then great.horge said:
In my last post, I restrained myself from writing, "I wonder if the DVD was available in China on March 1st."
That's not a shot at Pilipinos. I've assumed that pirated stuff gets smuggled into your country from China.
You remark that Plutarch did his work
There's another one for my "Quotes" file, with your permission.horge said:
horge
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Then, the studio should be happy indeed, about releasing it here early.
Manila's theaters with '300' have been packed... in a way that theaters
haven't been in a very long time. Even into the last full show.
Extremely diverse crowd, too.
It's almost officially a date-movie here, with all the pull of a chick-flick, without giving up any appeal to the guys.
Amazing.
horge
P.S. .. quote at will, sir
Manila's theaters with '300' have been packed... in a way that theaters
haven't been in a very long time. Even into the last full show.
Extremely diverse crowd, too.
It's almost officially a date-movie here, with all the pull of a chick-flick, without giving up any appeal to the guys.
Amazing.
horge
P.S. .. quote at will, sir
Looking forward to it.
Lighten up, grab some popcorn and soda and relax to a flick. I'll regard it with a 'History, Mtv and comic book style' approach.
I am curious in what filmmakers are doing with the new technology out there now.
What was the budget of this movie anyway? It will make a killing at the box office no doubt.
Studio must be happy.
Lighten up, grab some popcorn and soda and relax to a flick. I'll regard it with a 'History, Mtv and comic book style' approach.
I am curious in what filmmakers are doing with the new technology out there now.
What was the budget of this movie anyway? It will make a killing at the box office no doubt.
Studio must be happy.
CNYCacher
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I would like to see a gun manufacturer introduce a new chambering:
.300 Spartans
Saw the movie last night. . . Loved it.
SPOILER WARNING
I would have had the ending a little different, more "tooth and nail" and less "pincushion", if you catch my drift.
.300 Spartans
Saw the movie last night. . . Loved it.
SPOILER WARNING
I would have had the ending a little different, more "tooth and nail" and less "pincushion", if you catch my drift.
Brian Dale
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I'd want one.CNYCacher said:
Yup, I am firmly in the "300 was crap" camp here. The CGI wolf the movie started with was terrible, and it was all down hill from there. It's one thing to fictionalize a true story for artistic license, it's another to just make sh*& up as you go along. Some interesting visual effects, and that's about it.
Jake
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Looks like the budget was 65 million and it made 70 million opening weekend. Not sure if the 65 million includes advertising costs or not but it still opened a whole lot bigger than anyone thought it would.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=300.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=300.htm
mons meg
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300 was based off the Frank Miller extended comic book...er...graphic novel version of the story. If we're going to complain about how unrealistic it was, then let's have another thread where we level the same criticisms at Spider Man 3.
I saw it yesterday, and I thought it was extremely entertaining. One thought occurred to me after Leonidas meets up with the Arcadians(?) who had come down to fight the Persians. This is the scene where Leonidas says "I brought more soldiers that you". I found it interesting that the American ideal of the citizen-soldier was more embodied by the non-Spartan Greeks. The blacksmith and sculptor had more to lose by standing up to the Persians, in a way...but they showed up anyway.
I saw it yesterday, and I thought it was extremely entertaining. One thought occurred to me after Leonidas meets up with the Arcadians(?) who had come down to fight the Persians. This is the scene where Leonidas says "I brought more soldiers that you". I found it interesting that the American ideal of the citizen-soldier was more embodied by the non-Spartan Greeks. The blacksmith and sculptor had more to lose by standing up to the Persians, in a way...but they showed up anyway.
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