Why not go with the FN five seven? It has small ammo that you require and the cost won't be as much of a factor as you are reloading and it will have a longer barrel making it more accurate than a short barreled .32 or .25 and it will have better sights and a larger capacity magazine
32acp or 25acp?
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You CAN use an iron sighted Ithaca Deerslayer Police Special as a sporting clays gun. That doesn't mean it's a good idea or that you'll achieve favorable results.
Call me eccentric, but I try to select tools that will make my tasks EASIER to accomplish...
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id really rather stick with a 32 or 25, if 5.7x28 brass could be chopped down and repurposed into something else, maybe, but i have no interest in a five seven pistol.. i want to keep it as small as possible able to match with a pistol what a .22 can deliver from a rifle, the 25acp and 32acp can do that, and they can also be suppressed which i like as well
it seems with either the 32 or 25 my only source of brass is going to be loaded ammunition and it seems to cost about the same, if i can find something suitable to fire the 25acp out of then id like to go with that
it seems with either the 32 or 25 my only source of brass is going to be loaded ammunition and it seems to cost about the same, if i can find something suitable to fire the 25acp out of then id like to go with that
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There ISN'T any readily available .25acp semi-auto handgun that will do what you profess to want to do, and damned few .32s.
What you supposedly want to do can be accomplished at a FRACTION of the cost, in money AND effort using a .22WMR.
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that and the cost of brass alone makes it less worth it, for that price i could just buy REALLY hot .22lrs and fire them through an MKIII which is probably what i'll end up doing
I was under the impression you hand loaded. Still the five seven will be better able to accomplish what you require than a .25 ACP. Probably one of the few applications it's actually useful for
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i do handload an intend to use cast bullets in whatever i use, i havent seen too many cast bullets suitable for a 5.7x28 and i really dont have any interest in them, i can really get the same thing if not better performance out of a .30 luger as i could a 5.7 and a 30 luger being made from 9mm brass on a converted 9mm pistol would be cheaper in every way than the five seven
my goal was to find something very, very small and compact in terms of a cartridge.. it would take me a while to accumulate a decent amount of brass.. but IF im going to go through that effort, for the sake of size and simplicity id rather just stick with a .25 or .32 if anything
my goal was to find something very, very small and compact in terms of a cartridge.. it would take me a while to accumulate a decent amount of brass.. but IF im going to go through that effort, for the sake of size and simplicity id rather just stick with a .25 or .32 if anything
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I know you have your mind made up, and believe me I know how that goes.
I have a .22 magnum revolver that's accurate and has the killing power
to take care of most small game I have run across.
Zeke
I have a .22 magnum revolver that's accurate and has the killing power
to take care of most small game I have run across.
Zeke
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honestly, i have no clue, only 30 luger barrel ive seen for a handgun still in production was the hi power and i havent seen any new barrels made for them.. might just have to pick a 9mm of your choice, get a spare barrel and sleeve it... im not exactly sure how reliable it will be if you down-loaded the cartridges to conserve powder
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cocojp beat me to it, but, what you probably need is 7.62x25
The downside to your purposes is that the arms chambered for that round generally require the full-power round to function properly. If you are willing to hand-cycle, that problem goes away.
Which is a shame, as all that leaves you is the now very-rare Beretta .25acp (the one that figured in Ian Flemming's Jame Bond novels). That, o r that long-barreled .32acp.
As to new construction, that's thin on the ground. And, for all of the reasons suggested above. The US market is all about full power cartridges. The European makers know this as well, and they generally only offer calibers they know will sell in the US. So, you are not likely to see any new construction in .30luger in the US, .30luger is also a rather 'hot' round, it will snap a C96 right back in ways a 9x19 will not.
Were there a clutch of badgers in the cellar of my cabin, I'd rather 115gr ball 9x19 over the .30luger in a C96. I no longer own any Broomhandles, nor a cabin; so, in a cabin full of badgers situation, I'd reach for my 6" Colt Target .22--your mileage will vary.
The downside to your purposes is that the arms chambered for that round generally require the full-power round to function properly. If you are willing to hand-cycle, that problem goes away.
Which is a shame, as all that leaves you is the now very-rare Beretta .25acp (the one that figured in Ian Flemming's Jame Bond novels). That, o r that long-barreled .32acp.
As to new construction, that's thin on the ground. And, for all of the reasons suggested above. The US market is all about full power cartridges. The European makers know this as well, and they generally only offer calibers they know will sell in the US. So, you are not likely to see any new construction in .30luger in the US, .30luger is also a rather 'hot' round, it will snap a C96 right back in ways a 9x19 will not.
Were there a clutch of badgers in the cellar of my cabin, I'd rather 115gr ball 9x19 over the .30luger in a C96. I no longer own any Broomhandles, nor a cabin; so, in a cabin full of badgers situation, I'd reach for my 6" Colt Target .22--your mileage will vary.
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i think you have 30 luger confused with 30 mauser, 30 luger is also known as 7.65x21 and has the same base and COAL as 9x19mm, it was the original chambering for the earlier luger pistols, ANY 9mm pistol can be converted to 30 luger in the same fashion any 40S&W pistol can be converted to 357 sig
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True, but it is not as POPULAR a conversion.
Finding a .30 Luger barrel is a challenge. Good thing, that is one of the few oddballs I could be tempted by.
Finding a .30 Luger barrel is a challenge. Good thing, that is one of the few oddballs I could be tempted by.
Sig offers some of their pistols in .30 Luger for markets where civilians aren't able to own firearms chambered in modern military cartridges. Perhaps with the right import paper work one could be obtained (assuming it meets the ridiculous sporting purpose criteria )?
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Wow, this is one the strangest, but fun to read, threads I've run across in a longtime. Everything from the 22RF to 1861C&B, Nagants, FN 5X7's, 9mm, 25ACP&32ACP and Mac10's have been discussed in order to dispatch small game. I'm surprised that suppressed Uzi's haven't been mentioned yet for their high cap. magazines.
For banging bunnies, tree-rats and other such game, I recommend staying with a simple 22LR in a Ruger Single Six or similar platform using solids or HP ammo. You can carry the gun in one pocket and a couple hundreds rounds in the other one.
For banging bunnies, tree-rats and other such game, I recommend staying with a simple 22LR in a Ruger Single Six or similar platform using solids or HP ammo. You can carry the gun in one pocket and a couple hundreds rounds in the other one.
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yeah, but as an oddball its REALLY cheap and easy to make and in a converted 9mm pistol, +P pressures its quite a performer
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or like i already said id rather have an MKIII, that was it can be suppressed as well.. this thread has also reminded me the M1895 could be considered a suppressable mouse gun as well, and i always liked the novelty of those pistols but never had an excuse to buy one
i think the 25acp would have been successful had it been better marketed.. its complete crap as a self defense caliber which it was marketed as and from the start should have been marketed as a centerfire alternative to the .22 able to achieve .22 rifle ballistics from a pistol, at which point said cartridge should have been chambered in something like an MKIII or buckmark where i believe it could have been far more successful
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25 ACP brass for sale
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=534761148
32 ACP brass
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=534576097
If you want it, you can find it pretty cheap.
I reload for 25 ACP and 32 ACP and I have big, meaty hands. I use a single stage with no issues. A little powder goes a long way.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=534761148
32 ACP brass
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=534576097
If you want it, you can find it pretty cheap.
I reload for 25 ACP and 32 ACP and I have big, meaty hands. I use a single stage with no issues. A little powder goes a long way.
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only one claiming better than 9 mil is you.. and did i say cheaper? or is that you putting words into my mouth again?.. i think you need to beef up on your reading comprehension
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Those prices are a bit salty.
Ive been getting brass from Diamond K for a little while now. Good prices, and often deals, sales, no shipping, both, depending on what they got going on.
https://www.diamondkbrass.com/Once-Fired-Pistol-Brass-DKB.html
Even so, youre not going to get .25 or .32 for less than 9mm, and some of the others.
I got 1000 pieces of 9mm back before Christmas for something like $26.
Ive been getting brass from Diamond K for a little while now. Good prices, and often deals, sales, no shipping, both, depending on what they got going on.
https://www.diamondkbrass.com/Once-Fired-Pistol-Brass-DKB.html
Even so, youre not going to get .25 or .32 for less than 9mm, and some of the others.
I got 1000 pieces of 9mm back before Christmas for something like $26.
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so then you know why im interested in 25, an incredibly small amount of powder, 50 grains worth of lead, very economical to reload and able to take out small game
Out of the 2 choices you described how about an older .32 caliber revolver with a long barrel or a Ruger SP101 in .327 magnum with a 4 inch barrel.
The Ruger would allow you to use any .32 caliber round you choose except for .32acp.
It can shoot .32acp but they don't do very well in an SP101.
I would think .32acp is better than .25 caliber. I would want a longer barrel than what normally comes on those little pocket pistols whatever the case.
The Ruger would allow you to use any .32 caliber round you choose except for .32acp.
It can shoot .32acp but they don't do very well in an SP101.
I would think .32acp is better than .25 caliber. I would want a longer barrel than what normally comes on those little pocket pistols whatever the case.
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