4 Choices for Self Defense in Urban /Suburban. Situations. Your Choice.

4 Choices for Urban/Suburban Self Defense


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Yeah, put me down in the 9mm camp for now. Solely because these days, capacity is a serious consideration.

If it were 60 years ago, I'd be fine with a revolver or a 1911. Today, not so much. I'm comforted by 17+1 or 18+1, with 20, 21, or 24 round spare mags.

Shooting the other night in my area, 30 shell casings found (two different calibers, victim survived), and it was not a targeted (gang-related) shooting, simply a law-abiding citizen, wrong place, wrong time.
 
As these are usually stopping power arguments without reference to skill, I offer:

https://www.shootingnewsweekly.com/2024/02/21/3075/
Spaulding is an excellent instructor (personal experience) - here's a telling quote:
In my classes I have a drill each student shoots to see if the gun/caliber they carry is compatible with their level of skill. I call it the “Two Second Drill” and it is merely four rounds fired at twenty feet into a 6 x 9-inch rectangle. That space represents the high chest region where many vital organs are located. Twenty feet is the length of a typical confrontation distance and four rounds fired in two seconds is a reasonable time limit based on the history of armed personal defense scenarios.
Broken down, the drill is the first-round hits in one second from a ready/muzzle diversion position with the final three spread over an additional second or in splits of .33 seconds. To me, this shows the student can control the recoil of their chosen pistol and caliber.

It’s amazing how many people can’t accomplish this simple drill because they’re shooting “too much gun” for their individual skill level.

Here's another drill test: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...-best-drills-for-an-armed-citizen-fast-drill/

Since most folks don't train - https://blog.krtraining.com/beyond-the-one-percent-part-1/ , such polls really don't get to the heart of the matter (or maybe the opponent).
 
“It ain’t the arrow, it’s the Indian”. This seems reasonable.

But if he’s not a good ‘bow and arrow’ guy, getting within spear or tomahawk range might be difficult.

I don't shoot handguns very often, but for the last three years attend twice per week hand-to-hand self defense classes (Krav M.: far better than nothing).
So many people get physically attacked with no warning, and are too busy using Both hands and Both feet to reach for a handgun. Have a Plan B.
 
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I live in a rural area and am quite comfortable with a pocket 9mm. When I go to the big city I usually up-gun to a small .45 acp. (XDS or Kahr CM45.) If there is no way to get out of going to a questionable area I will usually pack my XD mod 2 3.3" in 45 acp with its 13 round magazine.

Carrying a big ol 44 magnum never made any sense to me. Any where I would feel compelled to carry a 44... I simply just won't go to.
 
It’s the singer, not the song. And a skilled “singer” can make his 10mm “song” sound like the national anthem.

Now cogitate on that for a while, my droogies. 🤔
 
The NYT settled that debate. :neener:


Thanks for the article link, it was interesting. Regarding my answer to the question, I will go with what I generally carry, the 380. Barrier blind is the absolute opposite of what I want from a gun in an urban or suburban area.
 
For years, I carried a 10+1 autopistol in 45 ACP. I compared my performance with this gun to a 9mm version of the exact same gun. Using a simple multi-target drill.

I used relatively mild ammo in each.

What this shooter found was that I was just a bit faster with the 9mm version. Accuracy was very similar.

I wrote about this here:


Many of the comments other members made in that thread were interesting.


The differences for me were very small. But when combined with the increased capacity of the 9mm, they were significant enough that when I had to change carry gun platforms, I chose a 9mm.
 
The 9mm handgun is a decent means to allow one to get to their primary defensive weapon. Open fire against the armed aggressor and then run like greased lightning to a real weapon. I'm now speaking of a home-defense scenario. As a primary carry firearm, it is my humble belief that one would be better served with a handgun whose cartridge chambering was of a higher caliber and energy. I will not dwell on that latter subject.

The longer barrels of 9mm carbines do NOT buy you extra velocity / energy. Only ONE 9mm chambering / manufacturer buys you extra velocity & thus energy:

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Pump shotguns are dynamite -- lots of ammo choices. Problem w/shotguns is magazine capacity. I've a bunch of other self-defense toyz and their individual categories. Long topic, right?!!!

By the by, 20 ga. shotgun rounds have more energy than the .44 magnum handgun. Birdshot will not provide sufficient self-defense energy from a 20 ga. You must go to the #3 buckshot or #2 buckshot (Federal 3" mag. 20 ga. buckshot is loaded w/#2 buckshot; there's an Italian 20 ga. load with #1 buckshot). Slugs out of a 20 ga. routinely put venison on the supper table; however, in a home defense scenario, shotgun slugs of any gauge are WAY too penetrating -- they will sail right through human bodies and home interior walls.

Do please allow me an "Old West" ("-ish", semi Old West, anyway; "modern-ish" cartridge chambering) suggestion. I've owned .357 Mag. lever rifles -- these in 16" barrel and 20" barrel configs. I'm old, I passed down a Winchester Wrangler wearing a 16" barrel to a younger generation. Again, I'm old; I'm finished. Missed the lever .357, so I got me a Rossi w/a 20" barrel. I had to shorten the tube magazine's spring. Rossi, it seems, uses ONE (1) spring length and that is for their 24" barrel levers. Thus, one must cut the mag. spring to accommodate shorter tubular magazines (I sure had to !!!). Once I modified the spring length, I was able to maximize the tubular magazine's max cartridge capacity in .357.

My Rossi .357 w/20" barrel now functions ... after a fashion. It's accuracy is that which I require. Due to the crudeness of the Rossi manufacturing quality, this rifle is picky about the ammo that can be loaded into the tube. Cartridges with exposed lead bullets (copper jackets only extending half he length of the bullet, leaving a lot of lead exposed ... and flat tipped to add more trouble) jam when being loaded into the tubular magazine (long story; Rossi design flaw). Others have worked around this Rossi design flaw (videos are available on YouTube concerning). Me, I found jacketed bullets (having their copper jacket extend all the way to the end of the bullet) that loaded and fired just fine. Once the tube magazine is full, then the feeding and firing is NOT a problem. Loading these Rossi levers is another matter. I'll not go into this matter any further.

An open hollow-point .357 Mag round will do unimaginable damage to a mammal weighing 150+ pounds in weight. Hollow points designed to expand at 1,200 fps will dump ALL of their energy in a thickish mammal. Over-penetrative for a home defense load? Maybe. Sure could penetrate too much. This is your call. Think about it. Test it.
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Should have put .40 on the list.

And combined .357 and .44 as "revolver ". Because nearly nobody ccws a revolver anymore.

I voted .45acp. Works when suppressed. But generally prefer .40 pistols.
 
Yeah, put me down in the 9mm camp for now. Solely because these days, capacity is a serious consideration.

If it were 60 years ago, I'd be fine with a revolver or a 1911. Today, not so much. I'm comforted by 17+1 or 18+1, with 20, 21, or 24 round spare mags.

Shooting the other night in my area, 30 shell casings found (two different calibers, victim survived), and it was not a targeted (gang-related) shooting, simply a law-abiding citizen, wrong place, wrong time.
I voted 9mm too! I'm also a convert from a revolver to something with a higher capacity because I feel the need to keep up with modern times. (The Bad Guys)
 
Outside, 9mm concealed carry, because small and capacity.

.45 inside my house, because lower pressure, larger bullet, and it doesn’t matter how big my pistol and magazine is if I’m not carrying it on my belt!
 
I chose .45ACP because I like it.
Nothing wrong with 9mm either.
.357 is great round. However capacity could be an issue.
Don't own a .44 mag, don't know much about the round.
I don't feel undergunned with a .38 special. In an urban environment I'd choose more capacity.
 
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