4 pistols added to CA Handgun Roster pending Boland/Renna v Bonta

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4 pistols were added to CA Handgun Roster - https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

Manufacturer - Model - Caliber - Gun Type - Barrel Length - Date Added
  • Smith & Wesson - SKU13331 - 350 Legend - Revolver - 7.5" - 5/30/2023
  • Sturm, Ruger & Co. - MARK IV-40183* - .22 - Pistol - 5.5" - 5/24/2023
  • Sturm, Ruger & Co. - SR22P-03657* - .22 - Pistol - 3.5" - 5/24/2023
  • Juggernaut Tactical - JT-9 SSP - 9mm - Pistol - 8.5" - 5/18/2023
No indication of "3-for-1" removal of handguns from the roster while Boland v Bonta issued preliminary injunction and Renna v Bonta case got appealed to 9th Circuit after district judge Sabraw issued a preliminary injunction - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-legal-challenges.913421/page-3#post-12595428
 
I had to look the one up. It's just AR9 pistol. Part of me wonders if Californians were hoping for a newer Glock or Sig
 
LiveLife, I have read several times on Calguns that the removal of guns from the roster was only valid if the new added gun had microstamping, which non of these new additions do.
I'm too lazy to go and find the PC or regs or the original law. but I also read that the BOF has decided to forgo removing pistols from the roster for these new additions because with
the Boland V. Bonta judgement, microstamping is a non-starter anyway.

Any insights into these? Of course, its California where anything gun related is filled with ridiculous laws that change constantly so it's hard to know exactly what the state is
doing or not doing in relation to firearms.
 
Any insights into these?
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, just a layperson posting on THR.

To me, addition of 4 pistols with 3 of them being magazine fed semi-auto for 2023 is very significant as none of them have microstamping and no sign of removal of "3 for 1" from the roster tells me that Boland v Bonta preliminary injunction and Renna v Bonta preliminary injunction that got appealed to the 9th Circuit may be at play.

AFAIK, Ruger pistols added have loaded chamber indicator (LCI) and magazine disconnect mechanism (MDM) while JT9 "AR receiver" style pistol is fixed magazine pin release type which raises the question whether other manufacturers' models with LCI/MDM but non-existent microstamping will be added to the CA handgun roster (And other AR receiver style pistols with fixed magazine pin release which are limited to 10 rounds pending Duncan v Bonta with ruling by judge Benitez due anyday now along with Miller v Bonta). ;)

So I am optimistic of anything being added to CA handgun roster without "3 for 1" removal.

Nice! My buddy and his spouse shot my Mk IV, and his wife wants one. Looks like she will get her wish :thumbup:.
Looks like Mk IV is fast replacing Mk II/III with easier disassembly and I may consider getting one now that it's on the roster.

me wonders if Californians were hoping for a newer Glock or Sig
Sure we are. :D
 
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Okay, I looked up the PC. Like everything else California gun laws, I am not enough of a legal scholar to decode if the PC actually means that any newly rostered pistols must contain microstamping to trigger the 3:1 removal.
Doesn't matter ... Ruger SR22 is back on the roster for us Californians to purchase. :neener:

Maybe Ruger will add other LCI/MDM models and S&W add back M&P series before other manufacturers jump in with LCI/MDM models? (You BET Sig/Taurus are thinking it ;))

The roster is dumb and unconstitutional.

Just a matter of time before it's gone
That's essentially what the courts said. :rofl: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-legal-challenges.913421/page-3#post-12595428

Because the arms at issue (semiautomatic pistols) are handguns, and handguns are “indisputably in common use” today, semiautomatic pistols categorically are “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment. The Amendment does not parse between types, makes and models of arms (See Heller) ... All handguns are covered, so long as they are in common use. Thus, Plaintiffs’ ability to commercially purchase offroster semiautomatic handguns falls within the plain text of the Second Amendment and is presumptively protected. [Why should law enforcement officers be treated better than us "second class" citizens and allowed to purchase offroster handguns when we can't? ;):fire:]

... The UHA has prohibited commercial sales of the handguns at issue for more than a decade ... Everyone was waiting for Bruen ... the district court in Boland recently enjoined [blocked] enforcement of the CLI, MDM, and microstamping provisions ... Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction is GRANTED as to California Penal Code §§ 31910 (b)(4), (5), (6) & (7) (CLI, MDM, microstamping, and three-for-one removal provisions)​
 
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Unfortunately neither lawsuit will abolish the roster itself, it just took down microstamping so far and possibly sometime in the future, MDM and CLI. But we will still be stuck with a roster and
manufacturers will still have to submit their handguns for drop testing to sell them in the State. The best legal minds I've read have said that the State will likely be allowed to have a roster for the foreseeable future,
albeit we are successfully knocking off the ridiculous criteria for manufacturers to get their pistols onto the roster. Baby steps I guess?
 
No indication of "3-for-1" removal of handguns from the roster while Boland v Bonta issued preliminary injunction and Renna v Bonta case got appealed to 9th Circuit after district judge Sabraw issued a preliminary injunction - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-legal-challenges.913421/page-3#post-12595428
More guns being added to the CA handgun roster - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

< I am smiling and mildly doing a celebration dance >

Manufacturer - Model - Caliber - Gun Type - Barrel Length - Date Added
 
Don't forget the Sig P320 M18 was just added as well.
Awesome ... Perhaps the floodgate of newly added pistols has been opened. :thumbup:

I read that the asterisk in the listing denotes that this gun has been added but could be removed depending on the ruling in Boland V. Bonta
I am reading the asterisk note as handgun being added to the listing BECAUSE of Boland v Bonta court ordered preliminary injunction, not pending on the ruling - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search

An asterisk (*) next to the model name below indicates that the handgun was added pursuant to the court's order in Boland v. Bonta.
And here was the ruling - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-legal-challenges.913421/page-2#post-12581660

PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION

NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant Attorney General Robert Bonta, and his officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and those persons in active concert or participation with him, and those duly sworn state peace officers and federal law enforcement officers who gain knowledge of this injunction order or know the existence of this injunction order, ARE HEREBY PRELIMINARILY RESTRAINED AND ENJOINED from implementing or enforcing California Penal Code sections 31910(b)(4)–(6), or from otherwise preventing the retail sale of handguns that do not have a chamber load indicator, a magazine disconnect mechanism, or microstamping capability but that meet the other requirements of the Unsafe Handgun Act.

CORMAC J. CARNEY
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE​

And in light of preliminary injunction for Boland v Bonta by judge Carney, judge Sabraw held a telephonic status conference for Renna v Bonta and issued a preliminary injunction - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-legal-challenges.913421/page-3#post-12595428

Because the arms at issue (semiautomatic pistols) are handguns ... semiautomatic pistols categorically are “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment. The Amendment does not parse between types, makes and models of arms (See Heller) ... All handguns are covered ... Thus, Plaintiffs’ ability to commercially purchase offroster semiautomatic handguns falls within the plain text of the Second Amendment and is presumptively protected.

... b. Historical Precedent - The State has the burden of showing relevant “historical precedent from before, during, and even after the founding [that] evinces a comparable tradition of regulation.” ... The key question, therefore, is whether the challenged law, here the CLI, MDM, and microstamping provisions of the UHA, and the State’s proffered analogues are “relevantly similar.”

... the “why” of the 1805 stamping requirement is not comparable to microstamping under the UHA, as the former requirement served only to verify that the arm had been tested, was safe—in that it fired without barrel bursting or otherwise failing, and could be sold. California’s microstamping requirement is designed to assist law enforcement in criminal investigations, not firearm discharge safety.

... the CLI, MDM, and microstamping provisions prohibit retail sales in the state of a significant segment of the most common self-defense firearm sold in America today ... Under the three-for-one roster removal provision, for each approved semiautomatic pistol added to the roster, “three semiautomatic pistols lacking one or more of the applicable features ... are removed ... Therefore, the three-for-one removal provision cannot be severed as it is not “fully operative without the invalid provisions.” As such, the California Legislature could not have intended for it to stand independently of the invalid provisions. The three-for-one removal provision is therefore enjoined.

For these reasons, the Court hereby ORDERS the following:

(1) Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction is GRANTED as to California Penal Code §§ 31910 (b)(4), (5), (6) & (7) (CLI, MDM, microstamping, and three-for-one removal provisions);
(2) Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction is DENIED as to all other challenged provisions of the UHA;
(3) Defendants are ENJOINED from enforcing California Penal Code §§ 31910 (b)(4), (5), (6) & (7) (CLI, MDM, microstamping, and three-for-one removal provisions);​

So I take it that CA had to allow addition of handguns "pursuant to the court's order" of preliminary injunction as they were enjoined (blocked) from enforcing CLI/MDM/microstamping but other provisions of UHA were enforcible during the duration of the trial.

and this listing expires 01/01/24.
All the models have the same annual expiration date and it's up to the manufacturer to renew submission for drop safety testing, etc. to be listed on the roster.


I tell you, all these are great news for Californians to buy more "modern" handguns. I will take Gen5 Glock with Marksman rifling for one if Glock decides to add Gen5 models to the roster. :D:thumbup:
 
Awesome ... Perhaps the floodgate of newly added pistols has been opened. :thumbup:


I am reading the asterisk note as handgun being added to the listing BECAUSE of Boland v Bonta court ordered preliminary injunction, not pending on the ruling - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search

An asterisk (*) next to the model name below indicates that the handgun was added pursuant to the court's order in Boland v. Bonta.
And here was the ruling - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-legal-challenges.913421/page-2#post-12581660

PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION

NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant Attorney General Robert Bonta, and his officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and those persons in active concert or participation with him, and those duly sworn state peace officers and federal law enforcement officers who gain knowledge of this injunction order or know the existence of this injunction order, ARE HEREBY PRELIMINARILY RESTRAINED AND ENJOINED from implementing or enforcing California Penal Code sections 31910(b)(4)–(6), or from otherwise preventing the retail sale of handguns that do not have a chamber load indicator, a magazine disconnect mechanism, or microstamping capability but that meet the other requirements of the Unsafe Handgun Act.

CORMAC J. CARNEY
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE​

And in light of preliminary injunction for Boland v Bonta by judge Carney, judge Sabraw held a telephonic status conference for Renna v Bonta and issued a preliminary injunction - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-legal-challenges.913421/page-3#post-12595428

Because the arms at issue (semiautomatic pistols) are handguns ... semiautomatic pistols categorically are “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment. The Amendment does not parse between types, makes and models of arms (See Heller) ... All handguns are covered ... Thus, Plaintiffs’ ability to commercially purchase offroster semiautomatic handguns falls within the plain text of the Second Amendment and is presumptively protected.

... b. Historical Precedent - The State has the burden of showing relevant “historical precedent from before, during, and even after the founding [that] evinces a comparable tradition of regulation.” ... The key question, therefore, is whether the challenged law, here the CLI, MDM, and microstamping provisions of the UHA, and the State’s proffered analogues are “relevantly similar.”

... the “why” of the 1805 stamping requirement is not comparable to microstamping under the UHA, as the former requirement served only to verify that the arm had been tested, was safe—in that it fired without barrel bursting or otherwise failing, and could be sold. California’s microstamping requirement is designed to assist law enforcement in criminal investigations, not firearm discharge safety.

... the CLI, MDM, and microstamping provisions prohibit retail sales in the state of a significant segment of the most common self-defense firearm sold in America today ... Under the three-for-one roster removal provision, for each approved semiautomatic pistol added to the roster, “three semiautomatic pistols lacking one or more of the applicable features ... are removed ... Therefore, the three-for-one removal provision cannot be severed as it is not “fully operative without the invalid provisions.” As such, the California Legislature could not have intended for it to stand independently of the invalid provisions. The three-for-one removal provision is therefore enjoined.

For these reasons, the Court hereby ORDERS the following:

(1) Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction is GRANTED as to California Penal Code §§ 31910 (b)(4), (5), (6) & (7) (CLI, MDM, microstamping, and three-for-one removal provisions);
(2) Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction is DENIED as to all other challenged provisions of the UHA;
(3) Defendants are ENJOINED from enforcing California Penal Code §§ 31910 (b)(4), (5), (6) & (7) (CLI, MDM, microstamping, and three-for-one removal provisions);​

So I take it that CA had to allow addition of handguns "pursuant to the court's order" of preliminary injunction as they were enjoined (blocked) from enforcing CLI/MDM/microstamping but other provisions of UHA were enforcible during the duration of the trial.


All the models have the same annual expiration date and it's up to the manufacturer to renew submission for drop safety testing, etc. to be listed on the roster.


I tell you, all these are great news for Californians to buy more "modern" handguns. I will take Gen5 Glock with Marksman rifling for one if Glock decides to add Gen5 models to the roster. :D:thumbup:

The real question is what will happen to these newly rostered pistols once the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals does what we all know they will do? What happens to the PI then?
 
The real question is what will happen to these newly rostered pistols once the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals does what we all know they will do? What happens to the PI then?
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, just a random layperson posting on THR.

Believe me, CA AG would not have added these pistols to the roster unless they HAD TO. ;)

So this could be another buying period like "Freedom Week" that legalized larger than 10 round capacity magazines under judge Benitez ruling for Duncan v Bonta until ruling got stayed. BUT those magazines purchased after ruling and before the stay became LEGAL while we proceed through the courts post Bruen ruling. (And these are Preliminary Injunctions for Boland/Renna so it will be quite a while until we get final rulings for these cases for the rulings to be stayed, if ruled unconstitutional < Woohoo! >) :p

And for now, these handguns added to the roster is LEGAL to purchase and own and even IF stay is granted after the final judgement ruling for Boland/Renna cases, these handguns will remain CA legal even for selling like single-fire exemption handguns made legal to purchase/own/sell. :thumbup:

For Californians wanting to buy these newly added handguns to the roster, it is time to "seize the day" and buy these CA LEGAL handguns. ;)
 
I full agree. Knowing the track record of the 9th Circuit COA, these pistols will likely all be yanked from the Roster as soon as they side with Bonta and Gav Boy. The only real questions that are in my mind are:

1. How long will it take for the 9th to rule for the state? (it’s probably close to a foregone conclusion)

2. How long will it take these two cases to make their way onto the SCOTUS docket?

California gun owners, enjoy your taste of freedom NOW because it’ll likely be taken away in short order. Once SCOTUS rescues us, the forces of evil will likely have new plans for devious new ways to deprive us of our civil and Constitutional rights.
 
Don't forget the Sig P320 M18 was just added as well.
List of handguns added to the roster is growing - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

Now, Sig 320 added to the roster! < Doing more celebration dance 😁 👍 >

Manufacturer - Model - Caliber - Gun Type - Barrel Length - Date Added [An asterisk (*) next to the model name below indicates that the handgun was added pursuant to the court's order in Boland v. Bonta]
 
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Two more handguns added to the roster - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

Manufacturer - Model - Caliber - Gun Type - Barrel Length - Date Added [An asterisk (*) next to the model name below indicates that the handgun was added pursuant to the court's order in Boland v. Bonta]
 
no CZs...
Those are just the new pistols added to the handgun roster since the Boland v. Bonta preliminary injunction - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-legal-challenges.913421/page-3#post-12595428

There are currently 850 pistols on the handgun roster - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search?make=All

18 CZs are already listed on the roster - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search?make=151012

Chances are, CZ will likely add their newer models to the roster.
 
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Pardon my ignorance but is it good to be on the roster?
In Illinois, if your gun is on the “list” you may soon become a felon.
 
Pardon my ignorance but is it good to be on the roster?
Yes, pistols listed on the CA handgun roster (Such roster is first ever in the nation) means you can legally purchase new/used pistols inside the state at gun stores or have it shipped from another state to your FFL/gun store.

There are currently 850 pistols on the handgun roster and due to Boland v. Bonta preliminary injunction, many more models (Especially newer models) of pistols will be added to the roster - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search?make=All
 
Yes, pistols listed on the CA handgun roster means you can legally purchase new/used pistols inside the state at gun stores or have it shipped from another state to your FFL/gun store.

There are currently 850 pistols on the handgun roster and due to Boland v. Bonta preliminary injunction, many more newer models of pistols will be added to the roster - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search?make=All
Thank you. Like many, I figure if there is a “list” in California it isn’t good. Looks like some are sane out there (in gubmnt)
 
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