CA Handgun Roster/Unsafe Handgun Act facing new legal challenges

Glad to see the Party Rulers in Social…err Sacramento are finally seeing an end to their quest to abolish the primary means of self protection for the law abiding and will hopefully stop ceding this State over to the criminals.

Stay safe.
 
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, just a layperson.

I think what we are starting to see is lower courts falling into compliance with Supreme Court's Bruen ruling directive of using "text and history" approach only for 2A cases which means if analogous/same/similar firearm regulation didn't exist by 1791 when the Bill of Rights was ratified, such regulation is unconstitutional.

Judge Benitez for Miller v Bonta (CA AW ban) and Duncan v Bonta (CA magazine ban) cases even asked CA to expand the analogous search to 1888, 20 years after ratification of 14th Amendment (Constitutional protection equally applies to all born/naturalized citizens) but would rule based on regulatory tradition by 1791 (BTW, spreadsheet of analogous search did not produce historical tradition of AW/magazine capacity ban even to 1888) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-aw-magazine-ban.905531/page-11#post-12528071

And judge Carney for Boland v Bonta (CA handgun roster) stated in granting preliminary injunction,

"Because enforcing those requirements implicates the plain text of the Second Amendment, and the government fails to point to any well-established historical analogues that are consistent with them, those requirements are unconstitutional"
While Boland v Bonta case deals with CA handgun roster, Renna v Bonta case deals with CA handgun roster and self-manufactured handguns. Since judge Carney stated CA government fails to point out well-established historical analogues to handgun ban (CA already stated handgun roster is first of its kind in the nation), judge Sabraw will likely ask for well-established historical analogues to self-manufactured handgun ban.

This seems like a well reasoned guess and reinforces that NYSRPA v. Bruen will be the gift that keeps giving.
 
This case probably has good "legs" on it, if only for the fact that this "gun safety" law does not apply to LE. So, apparently, LE are allowed to use "unsafe" firearms? Really?
Certainly seems to fly in the face of "equal protections."

While I may agree with the principle, there are many gun laws that apply to civilians that don’t apply to government employees, all in the name of “safety.”
 
While I may agree with the principle, there are many gun laws that apply to civilians that don’t apply to government employees, all in the name of “safety.”
Military personnel are "government employees" who are issued firearms tested extensively and most durable models that passed the endurance requirements are selected after "safety" of firearm was proven under combat conditions.

So how is CA saying we are issuing soldiers "unsafe" firearms as various Army/Navy/Marines/AirForce/Coast Guard/National Guard units issue firearms that are not on the CA handgun roster? :eek:;)
 
Now the question becomes, "What Will the 9th Do?" Will they do what SCOTUS has directed them to do or will they stay tyrant supporters since they've been in the pockets of California politicians for quite a while.
Depends on the make up of judges. During Trump years, enough judges were appointed to circuit courts to possibly have pro-2A majority.

But either way, this case is likely to be appealed to the Supreme Court.
 
Depends on the make up of judges. During Trump years, enough judges were appointed to circuit courts to possibly have pro-2A majority.

But either way, this case is likely to be appealed to the Supreme Court.
The question should be whether or not the courts and judges respect and follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
If they do not then they have undercut their legitimacy and should have no say in the proceedings.
 
If lowers courts do not comply with Bruen ruling, Supreme Court will simply overrule, just like it did for countless First Amendment cases that ultimately received permanent enforcement through federal/state laws.

Just matter of time.
 
The question should be whether or not the courts and judges respect and follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
If they do not then they have undercut their legitimacy and should have no say in the proceedings.

Unfortunately in the era of the enemies of freedom having great power in the highest offices in land, the word, "should" is essentially meaningless.
Our Founders would say the same thing, "We authored some of the greatest documents, with the most powerful ideas in the history of modern civilization, everything you need to thrive and
be a fair, just and equitable country are all there, just follow them." Yet, somehow, tyrants and traitors to our country are in the highest seats in the land and they choose to ignore the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and somehow, they are getting away with it with little to no accountability.
 
Military personnel are "government employees" who are issued firearms tested extensively and most durable models that passed the endurance requirements are selected after "safety" of firearm was proven under combat conditions.

So how is CA saying we are issuing soldiers "unsafe" firearms as various Army/Navy/Marines/AirForce/Coast Guard/National Guard units issue firearms that are not on the CA handgun roster? :eek:;)

Like I said, I agree in principle that civilians should be able to own any small arm that someone in the government can, and I also agree that CA roster is nonsense. However, I don’t believe, as the person I responded to does, that there is much of an existing precedence that supports that a civilian should be allowed something because law enforcement is allowed to use it. Not saying that is morally or constitutionally supported, just saying it isn’t a clear precedent, and in fact much more precedent to support otherwise.
 
That's the essential trouble here in California and similar places: blatantly unconstitutional actions can be undertaken in a matter of weeks, but undoing them can take decades.

And most importantly, the legislators and politicians who are breaking their oath of office by conceiving and passing blatantly Unconstitutional, Illegal laws face zero consequences for their actions. They do it because they know they can get away with it,
they will never be held accountable. So why not?
 
What do you think this means LiveLife? What would be your educated guess about what Judge Sabraw is going to tell the plantiff and defendant?
I think what we are starting to see is lower courts falling into compliance with Supreme Court's Bruen ruling directive of using "text and history" approach only for 2A cases ... While Boland v Bonta case deals with CA handgun roster, Renna v Bonta case deals with CA handgun roster and self-manufactured handguns. Since judge Carney stated CA government fails to point out well-established historical analogues to handgun ban (CA already stated handgun roster is first of its kind in the nation), judge Sabraw will likely ask for well-established historical analogues to self-manufactured handgun ban.


Update to Boland v Bonta (CA handgun roster) and Renna v Bonta (CA Unsafe Handgun Act/Handgun roster) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-legal-challenges.913421/page-2#post-12582571

In light of preliminary injunction for Boland v Bonta by judge Carney, judge Sabraw held a telephonic status conference for Renna v Bonta and issued a preliminary injunction on 4/3/23 stating the following - https://assets.nationbuilder.com/fi...57157/Renna_v_Bonta_81_Opinion.pdf?1680557157

Determining the scope of the Second Amendment and whether it covers the conduct at issue is “rooted in the Second Amendment’s text, as informed by history.” In Bruen, the Supreme Court interpreted the Second Amendment in light of “historical tradition” and held the Amendment protects all arms “in common use,” and “handguns . . . are indisputably in ‘common use’ for self-defense today.”

Because the arms at issue (semiautomatic pistols) are handguns, and handguns are “indisputably in common use” today, semiautomatic pistols categorically are “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment. The Amendment does not parse between types, makes and models of arms (See Heller) ... All handguns are covered, so long as they are in common use. Thus, Plaintiffs’ ability to commercially purchase offroster semiautomatic handguns falls within the plain text of the Second Amendment and is presumptively protected.

... b. Historical Precedent - The State has the burden of showing relevant “historical precedent from before, during, and even after the founding [that] evinces a comparable tradition of regulation.” “[W]hether modern and historical regulations impose a comparable burden on the right of armed self-defense and whether that burden is comparably justified are central considerations when engaging in an analogical inquiry.” ... Bruen cautioned “[t]his does not mean that courts may engage in independent meansend scrutiny under the guise of an analogical inquiry.” The key question, therefore, is whether the challenged law, here the CLI, MDM, and microstamping provisions of the UHA, and the State’s proffered analogues are “relevantly similar.”

... the “why” of the 1805 stamping requirement is not comparable to microstamping under the UHA, as the former requirement served only to verify that the arm had been tested, was safe—in that it fired without barrel bursting or otherwise failing, and could be sold. California’s microstamping requirement is designed to assist law enforcement in criminal investigations, not firearm discharge safety.

... the CLI, MDM, and microstamping provisions prohibit retail sales in the state of a significant segment of the most common self-defense firearm sold in America today.

... Under the three-for-one roster removal provision, for each approved semiautomatic pistol added to the roster, “three semiautomatic pistols lacking one or more of the applicable features ... are removed ... Therefore, the three-for-one removal provision cannot be severed as it is not “fully operative without the invalid provisions.” As such, the California Legislature could not have intended for it to stand independently of the invalid provisions. The three-for-one removal provision is therefore enjoined.

... The UHA has prohibited commercial sales of the handguns at issue for more than a decade. This lawsuit has been pending since November 10, 2020, and the parties have litigated at a leisurely pace since its inception. Everyone was waiting for Bruen. Its arrival does not erase the prior pace of this litigation, and need not hasten it now.

Moreover, the district court in Boland recently enjoined enforcement of the CLI, MDM, and microstamping provisions. There, the court stayed enforcement of the injunction for fourteen days pending the State’s decision whether to file an appeal. The State filed an emergency motion for partial stay pending appeal of the preliminary injunction issued in Boland. The Ninth Circuit granted the State’s motion, and issued a stay as to the CLI and MDM requirements of the UHA.

On March 22, 2023, after the decision in Boland was filed, this Court held a status conference with the parties. Both parties requested that the Court issue its decision, as this case was filed first and presents issues not addressed in Boland [Self-manufactured firearm in addition to UHA/Handgun roster]. Therefore, the Court issues its decision herein but stays enforcement pending appeal or further hearing on this matter.

For these reasons, the Court hereby ORDERS the following:

(1) Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction is GRANTED as to California Penal Code §§ 31910 (b)(4), (5), (6) & (7) (CLI, MDM, microstamping, and three-for-one removal provisions);
(2) Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction is DENIED as to all other challenged provisions of the UHA;
(3) Defendants are ENJOINED from enforcing California Penal Code §§ 31910 (b)(4), (5), (6) & (7) (CLI, MDM, microstamping, and three-for-one removal provisions);
(4) posting of bond is waived; and
(5) the preliminary injunction is STAYED pending appeal or further hearing on this matter, whichever occurs first.

The Court sets the matter for a telephonic status conference on April 14, 2023, at 1:30 p.m., at which time the parties shall advise the Court how they wish to proceed.

Dana M. Sabraw,
Chief Judge
United States District Court​
 
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The above shows exactly why there are so many issues related to the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment is one sentence. Written plainly so that even the uneducated can understand it. Yet the lawyers and judges, educated folks, can’t understand it.
 
The above shows exactly why there are so many issues related to the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment is one sentence. Written plainly so that even the uneducated can understand it. Yet the lawyers and judges, educated folks, can’t understand it.

I've thought about it for years. In order to have entre' to political office, generally one must be educated. If one is educated then one has been exposed to and taught exactly what the Constitution is, what it's intent was and what it's meaning is. The problem is, these lawyers, judges
and educated folks DO understand it, they are just blatantly ignoring it. What is even worse is many of them swore to uphold the Constitution, the law of the land, as their oath to take their position, yet they blatantly use it as toilet paper with no consequences. This is why our country is in the mess that it is in, simply because people in power and policy thought they were smarter than the architects of America, could game the system, became corrupt and myopic and here we are. Until they face disbarment, fines, prison time, they will continue to do the same, why wouldn't they?

The American people have failed to hold their leaders accountable for disregarding the Constitution so in the end, it's everyone's fault. If leaders were held to the fire and FORCED to obey the law of the land, America would once again be the greatest nation with the most
promise.
 
To all kind folks on THR ...

Let us stay focused on the issue of "First in the nation" CA handgun roster with no historical analogous tradition as it makes its way through the justice system to be struck down.

Based on early court rulings in granting of preliminary injunctions post Bruen, looks like UHA/handgun roster will be ruled unconstitutional by lower courts and if appealed to the Supreme Court, ultimately ruled unconstitutional.

So grab your popcorn/coffee/beverage and enjoy the proceedings but keep other topics of discussion out of this very promising thread.

Yes, I believe us Californians will once again enjoy all the handguns currently not listed on the handgun roster, in time.

And this thread is not about "crazy" CA pioneering yet another gun control law rather setting judicial precedent for 9th Circuit and perhaps for the rest of the country.

Thank you in advance.
 
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To all kind folks on THR ...

Let us stay focused on the issue of "First in the nation" CA handgun roster with no historical analogous tradition as it makes its way through the justice system to be struck down.

Based on early court rulings in granting of preliminary injunctions post Bruen, looks like UHA/handgun roster will be ruled unconstitutional by lower courts and if appealed to the Supreme Court, ultimately ruled unconstitutional.

So grab your popcorn/coffee/beverage and enjoy the proceedings but keep other topics of discussion out of this very promising thread.

Yes, I believe us Californians will once again enjoy all the handguns currently not listed on the handgun roster, in time.

And this thread is not about "crazy" CA pioneering yet another gun control law rather setting judicial precedent for 9th Circuit and perhaps for the rest of the country.

Thank you in advance.

Noted. I agree with your assessment, I just hope many of us are still alive by the time SCOTUS "corrects" the law.
 
Good news!

As result of Boland v Bonta and Renna v Bonta preliminary injunctions, not only has CA started adding previously banned semi-auto pistols to the Handgun Roster but now removing the microstamping requirement. 👍

This should help with Granata v Campbell case (MA handgun roster) which got remanded down from 1st Circuit back to district court post Bruen with new complaint that was just filed - https://assets.nationbuilder.com/fi...mpbell_First_Amended_Complaint.pdf?1695317794

Here's letter CA AG submitted to the court - https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5827/attachments/original/1696528603/2020.10.05_048_28(j)_Letter.pdf?1696528603

RE: Renna, et al. v. Bonta, et al.​
Dear Ms. Dwyer:​
Defendants-Appellants submit this Rule 28(j) letter to notify the Court that the California Legislature passed and the Governor signed into law Senate Bill 452 (SB 452) (signed into law on September 26, 2023). The law will take effect on January 1, 2024.​
SB 452 removes the microstamping requirement for new semiautomatic pistols from the definition of an “unsafe handgun” in Penal Code section 31910(b)(6).​
In other words, as of January 1, 2024, Penal Code section 31910 will no longer require a new semiautomatic pistol to satisfy the microstamping requirement before it can be added to the Roster of Certified Handguns. That requirement was the subject of litigation in the court below and was enjoined by the district court in the preliminary injunction order at issue in this appeal.​
SB 452 also directs the California Department of Justice to evaluate the “technological viability” of microstamping by March 1, 2025, and upon an affirmative determination, the Department must determine by July 1, 2027 whether microstamping components or microstamping-enabled firearms are available for purchase in the State. If those preconditions are met, a semiautomatic pistol manufactured after January 1, 2028 must have microstamping capability before being sold by a firearms dealer.​
 
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All it means is that CA is fearful of the mirostamping as a condition of sale being judged unconstitutional. They want to bring it back at some point in the future.

This case took YEARS to get to this point. At some time in the future it will again take years to bring the microstamping issue before the court(s).

California is forcing these issues one at a time. Each tiny incremental step in banning guns will have to go all the way to SCOTUS to get knocked down, an expensive (for our side) proposition.
 
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