45/70 worth it?

A 45 LC rifle loaded with 300 gr cast ruger loads deals out plenty of killing so I wouldn’t buy one for that reason. What the 45-70 will get you is a much flatter shooting trajectory if you want to stretch it out. 444 marlin even better yet.
 
Thank you, you are very kind! The Savage 99's are jewels... I love my 99F. They are not for everyone... they are a bit esoteric, and I could see how they wouldn't 'fit' some people (that is, stock and sights) but 50 rounds through mine, and I immediately turned around and sold my Marlin 336.



I had that idea as well... so I picked up an H&R Classic Hunter in .45 Colt... a 'baby' .45-70, so to speak. :)

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Two regrets I’ll probably take to my grave. I didn’t buy one of those H&R classic’s when they were new in 45lc and 45/70, and not buying 50 lbs of trailboss when it was available!
 
I'm a tad bit surprised by the number of .45-70 naysayers present.

It's a big cartridge. It's flat-shootin' - packs a punch and it's an American round. I love it (not so much that I can shoot more'n eight or ten in one session, though).

The Marlin 1895 is the perfect platform for it, and IMO, the .45-70 is worth it.
 
Maybe not exactly naysayers - but more so people who can find it hard to justify. Like myself. It's a lot of gun to throw $ at, just to kind of have one. [EDIT: I don't hunt and I'm not in the vicinity of large and dangerous animals.]

It took Marlin going under to get me to finally go through with it. And this is from a levergun fan! Compared to a lot of other calibers and cartridges there isn't a lot to choose from out there rifle-wise. The new Henry offerings have helped on that front.


Meanwhile the old .45 Colt, with it's thin rims that were never really intended for lever guns, has arguably surpassed the .45-70 in modern day popularity. It sure does have a lot more manners, on average...
 
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I have had both the ruger nbr 1 and nbr 3 in 45-70, 3 Marlins, including the guide gun, and even a bolt action built on a siamese mauser, plus 2 of the Henry 45-70s, and I now have only one, a Henry all weather, with a loading gate, so loads and unloads, best of both worlds thru the magazine tube, and the loading gate, 18.5 inch barrel.
I was stationed in Kodiak, Alaska, and the fish and game dept up there recommends for bears, either the 45-70 lever gun, or a 12 guage pump shotgun with slugs.
There are brown bears on the island of Kodiak, and the Kenai area, and grizzly bears and black bears all over. Even the black bears are over large because of all the salmon they eat, and further north are the polar bears.
It has become one of my favorite cartridges, and with some of the custom loaded cartridges is powerful enough for any thing on earth, including elephant, rhino, hippo, and cape buffalo, and of course Lions and Leopards.
Check out Garrett cartridges.
I shoot left handed, and have always found the Lever guns easier to manage than any other repeating action.
Up until covid, the used levers were a lot less expensive than even used left handed bolt action rifles.
 
This is a picture of my new Henry, all weather, with the loading gate, 18.5 inch barrel, and looks almost identical to a Marlin 1895, now more so with the loading gate,
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The original black powder loads, and equivalent modern smokeless powder loads have very little recoil but are weak.
So weak that a 500 gr. hardcast bullet pushed by a casefull of FFG will put a bullet entirely through a buffalo bull, from any angle , if no large bones are hit. Ask Mike Venturino or Clint Smith. They have witnessed this firsthand.
 
And those loads are nowhere near 458 WM performance. A 30-06 or even a 308 with heavier bullets will outperform 45-70 on any game animal and do it with 1/2 the recoil.
A lot of hunters would disagree with you. See the above post. Can an 06 or a 308 do that? Even with heavy bullets?
 
buffalo rifle gong shoot harris mn this weekend. grrc club. 200 300 sat 600 sun. lots of lever guns at 200, 300 single shots seem to take over at 600. google gopher rifle and revolver club and click on events for more info...45 70, 40 65, 45 90, 38 55, plus many more bpcr guns.
 
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I had 2 Marlin .45-70s. Unfortunately, I sold both when I enlisted at the end of 2001.

Byron needed some money, and sold me a Winchester Trapper and a whole case of GA Arm 260-grain SJHP at an advertised 1200 fps. Then he decided he wanted the Winchester back, but didn't buy back the ammo. :confused: The ammo is hot, too hot for ordinary wheelies like my Model 25. So, I've been holding onto hundreds of these expensive rounds- at times worth as much as $3/apiece- for years. I got a .454 Casull in 2012, but I can't shoot a single-action wheelgun nearly as well as a rifle. And, wouldn't you know it, all the inexpensive .454 and .45 Colt rifles went away.

I finally got a notification that R92 Rossis in .454 were available again a few months ago. It wasn't a great time, but after looking for one for years, I ordered it. Of course, a week later another site notified me they were available- $100 less, and with free shipping. So I have a .45 lever gun again, with loads ranging from sedate but deer deadly, to "robust", to "works on moose" (.454 320/+ full power). Yeah, the .45-70s are nice, and can be found fairly inexpensively if you're willing to go for something like a CVA Scout, but unless you're looking to hunt buffalo or want a dedicated big bear defense gun, you'll probably find a Colt load that meets your needs.

Here's my new pretty:

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45-70 is very versatile, packs a good punching yet not over kill for deer sized game. I've learned once you go over 300 grains in bullet weight you don't need speed, a 458 bullet going well under speed of sound will just drop deer without all the meat damage. One of the customers at the shop my dad worked was probably the first or 2nd person to kill a Elephant with the new bfr revolver no more then a few weeks after release. Used a hot load but the speed out of that 7" barrel couldn't be very fast. I can't still remember the picture in my head of that big bull elephant that women dropped with one shot.

loading hot loads in my Siamese mauser I can tell your you can get pretty dang close to 458wm, most reloading books have 3 classes of 45-70 loaded but if you had a strong gun with enough mag length and that's throated deep there is a 4th class.
 
The stupid slow twist rate has always been a ridiculous limitation on the guns chambered in .44Mag and .45Colt. Still don't understand the reasoning.

I traded into a Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt... really great rifle to pair with my 1894FG in .41MAG. My first range session was not a success... it threw bullets everywhere. In a fit of anger, I traded it off... only then reading about the slow (1:38') twist rate of the Marlin. I do wish I would have kept it and worked with it, but at the time I didn't need another problem child. Like you, I still don't understand the lazy rifling twist... it just doesn't make sense.


In terms of how smoothly a lever gun works, there's nothing slicker in my experience than a Winchester model 1886/71 action.

I still have my Browning 71, in .348WCF, and I shoot it regularly. That rifle isn't going ANYWHERE...!
 
I traded into a Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt... really great rifle to pair with my 1894FG in .41MAG. My first range session was not a success... it threw bullets everywhere. In a fit of anger, I traded it off... only then reading about the slow (1:38') twist rate of the Marlin. I do wish I would have kept it and worked with it, but at the time I didn't need another problem child. Like you, I still don't understand the lazy rifling twist... it just doesn't make sense.
Yep! My 1894S is incredibly accurate with the 270gr Gold Dot but go much heavier and the result won't be anywhere near as good. It just doesn't make sense to hamstring a cartridge with such a silly slow twist rate. Of course, at the time these guns were introduced, the .44Mag was basically a 240gr cartridge but still. Why 1:38" when the pistols are 1:20", or 1:16" for the .45Colt? It's nuts.
 
45-70 is very versatile, packs a good punching yet not over kill for deer sized game. I've learned once you go over 300 grains in bullet weight you don't need speed, a 458 bullet going well under speed of sound will just drop deer without all the meat damage. One of the customers at the shop my dad worked was probably the first or 2nd person to kill a Elephant with the new bfr revolver no more then a few weeks after release. Used a hot load but the speed out of that 7" barrel couldn't be very fast. I can't still remember the picture in my head of that big bull elephant that women dropped with one shot.
Out of a 7" barrel, could be as high as 1700 fps or so . I'm telling you a Casull is no joke. My 5-in BFR made me bleed in two shots.
 

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Yep! My 1894S is incredibly accurate with the 270gr Gold Dot but go much heavier and the result won't be anywhere near as good. It just doesn't make sense to hamstring a cartridge with such a silly slow twist rate. Of course, at the time these guns were introduced, the .44Mag was basically a 240gr cartridge but still. Why 1:38" when the pistols are 1:20", or 1:16" for the .45Colt? It's nuts.
On the “new” Marlin website (Ruger/Marlin), they state the current 44 Mag version is a 1:20.
 
Out of a 7" barrel, could be as high as 1700 fps or so . I'm telling you a Casull is no joke. My 5-in BFR made me bleed in two shots.
I know we're were getting some impressive numbers out of my dads bfr 's dad got both a 45-70 and 500s&w when they came out we both liked the 45-70 better, shot really good to.
 
I saw the. 45-70 BFR, and thought no way! But, I read an article about it that said that it didn't hurt as much as the 454, like I have.
 
I saw the. 45-70 BFR, and thought no way! But, I read an article about it that said that it didn't hurt as much as the 454, like I have.
I was 10 years old shooting one handed, you just let the muzzle come up looks worse then it is. One of the best guns at the range. Hot loads were pretty brutal tho, dad had a rem xp100r he built in 350rm that was crazy with no break.
 
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