45/70 worth it?

I would love to learn to paper patch, with the 45-70. Is there any instructions on how to do that
“The Paper Jacket” by Paul Matthews is available on Amazon. And “SPG Lubricants BP Cartridge Reloading Primer” by Mike Venturino and Steve Garbe might still be available too.
I like Venturino’s and Garbe’s book a lot and refer to it often when loading for my .45-110 Sharps (2 7/8 in case). However, Venturino and Garbe only devote a couple of pages in their fine book to paper patch bullets. Mostly, they claim paper patch bullets are not worth the trouble.
 
did you purchase that or was it an inheritance, either way is cool gun
If that question was directed to me, I built it. After Pop passed away, I was in his garage getting some of my tools back (we borrowed back and forth). I saw what I thought to be a piece of pipe, suitable for a pipe clamp. What a surprise to find a trapdoor action on the end. The bore looked wallowed so I took an ACP round to see how much. Plop! All the way to the breech! I looked and the breechblock is marked 1866, so, a Second Model Allin chambered in 50-70. Rather odd as Pop was more a modern shooter, 1903s and such. Anyway, it came home with me and I intended to restore it. Not going to happen, I left all that money in Pop’s pocket when they cremated him. Well, how about a replica 1851 Musket? Again, too much money for this project. So, on to the back burner with this one. A year or two goes by and I am in the LGS. “Got something you might like.” Normally, words I dread to hear. He hands me a replica 1841 Mississippi Rifle with a roaches barrel. All I can surmise is the hunter got his critter and celebrated with the traditional bs shot of him, the dead animal and the rifle laying on it. Guessing blood got on the barrel and he did not see it or maybe thought it appropriate to leave it. Either way, almost 6” of deep pitting. Some bargaining and it came home. I inlet the barrel first. The barrel was much skinnier that the 1841 so I glued in walnut vernier to fill in the channel. Then chiseled in the breechblock. The tang was short so I fitted a Dutchman to fill that void. I stripped the stock and applied a hickory stain and several cots of oil. Hated it. Next was some other color, hated it also! Out came the scrapers again and the third try was a walnut stain I made in the shop. Then a seal coat and multiple coats of oil, specific brand forgotten. The hammer did not reach the firing pin so I cut it and fitted an extension. Sights were fit and sweat on. Trigger and lock tuned. 50 rounds of ammunition was loaded, 450 grain Lee cast bullet over as much 3f powder as I could fit in the case with mild compression. First shot at 10 yards was on paper. Move back to 25, still good. 50, good and also at 100. At 100, I started filing to bring the point of impact in line with the aiming spot. It was a lot of fun. Not sure but I can count 6 Ohio white tails I got and I believe there have been more.

Thanks for asking!

Kevin
 
Wow. I have been shooting the ol' 45-70 for decades. I have always reloaded my own. Consequently, I am out of touch with the prices of factory ammo. I just looked.....as I wrote at the beginning of this post....Wow!
 
Wow. I have been shooting the ol' 45-70 for decades. I have always reloaded my own. Consequently, I am out of touch with the prices of factory ammo. I just looked.....as I wrote at the beginning of this post....Wow!
The HMS Cowboy 405 grain HCL is $49.95 at Cabela's and before the Pandemonium and all of the panic it was $34.95 for a box of 20 rounds. The HMS Bear is $69 ($) I think currently. I also reload but I tend to reload to levels below Cowboy or historic loads, sub 1100 fps, or in what I call the ".45-70 Gap" which is in between the +P stuff from Garret, BB, et al and the Trapdoor loadings.
 
I have been reloading 45-70 since I was stationed in Kodiak, Alaska, and in fact have a full box minus 5 I have already shot that I loaded in 1983. Was a bit surprised to find that they shoot as well now as they did when I first loaded them.
I have been shooting 45-70 since 1975, the first time I got stationed there, and the Alaska fish and game recommended that round as a defense against brown and grizzly bears.
 
I do not load now like I did then, of course, what I load now is about like you midway between the super stuff from Garrett and buffalo bore, and in the manuals is mid range
 
Wow. I have been shooting the ol' 45-70 for decades. I have always reloaded my own. Consequently, I am out of touch with the prices of factory ammo. I just looked.....as I wrote at the beginning of this post....Wow!
You and me both. These prices are pretty hefty. Luckily I cast most everything I use these days, even bar tin for hardning alloy has really jumped in price. Not that everything else hasn't increased either, but ammunition and components seem to have increased disproportionately
 
I always wanted a 45-70. I almost bought one of the Browning 1886 saddle carbines back when they came out but didn't. Since I've kept my eye out for one or a Marlin but never found a good deal so at this point I stopped looking. Especially with the current prices. Besides I have a Browning M71 ,348 and a Marlin 444S dust collectors. My shoulders are shot so recoils not fun anymore just shooting from the bench.
 
I purchased a Henry 45-70, golden boy I guess they call it, with a 24 inch barrel. But when they came out with the ALL WEATHER, 45-70 with 18.5 inch barrel, with a hard chrome finish, loading gate so close the the Marlin it is not funny, and forabout half to two thirds what Ruger is getting for the new Marlins, I jumped on it. It also has a wood stock covered in a weather resistant material, and a good recoil pad on it. Is an awesome looking and shooting rifle.I especially like the fact can load and unload thru the mag tube, is safer that way, or load thru the loading gate, which is quicker to top off. Here is a picture of it. I did put a skinner peep site on it, and shoots really awesome
 

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I went with the Henry, because I messed up and stored a 22 Golden boy, in a nylon rifle case, it rusted the barrel, lever, and I had to pay for replacement. But they changed the wood, the inner and outer mag tube, the sights, and a few other things and did not charge me for those things. With customer service like that, and the fact is American made, was hard not to choose them instead of one of the Italian or Japanese 1886s. I think is neet if you have a problem do not have to wait for ever for repairs, or replacements.
 
But when they came out with the ALL WEATHER, 45-70 with 18.5 inch barrel, with a hard chrome finish, loading gate so close the the Marlin it is not funny, and forabout half to two thirds what Ruger is getting for the new Marlins,
What are you talking about?

The MSRP for the "Henry" All Weather is $1333 for the model with the rail. The Marlin SBL with the rail is MSRP $1479. And for that small $146 difference you get the real thing and all stainless steel instead of chrome plating and a laminated synthetic stock instead of a piece of black painted birchwood.



Ruger is not gouging anyone and Ruger is only getting the wholesale price. That some have gouged their customers is on them and not on Ruger/Marlin. I paid under MSRP for both my new 1895GBL and my 1895SBL. In the case of the GBL quite a bit under.

 
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guess I got lucky, I got mine new without the rail, which I would rather not have anyway, for $ 975 in the box, course I had to pay a 50 for shipping, and 10 for the paperwork. We have a dealer here only charges 10 to do the paperwork
 
guess I got lucky, I got mine new without the rail, which I would rather not have anyway, for $ 975 in the box, course I had to pay a 50 for shipping, and 10 for the paperwork. We have a dealer here only charges 10 to do the paperwork
You are making invalid comparisons between models that are not equivalent and opinionated that Ruger is gouging customers by charging 1/3 to twice more for equal products which is not a truth. You paid $975 for less rifle thus the lesser price. The model you have with no rail is MSRP of $1246 before typical store discounting. I am not seeing the 1/3 more that Ruger is making per rifle. Where did you get that from, that is why I asked what are you talking about, references please? Can you prove that Ruger/Marlin is pocketing 1/3 or more per rifle? You actually have the factory cost to produce and wholesale pricing?
 
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I am not saying it is Ruger, but the dealers around here.
When I ask what the going price is here the markup here is about 10 to 15 percent higher than the Ruger listed price.
I guess it is what anyone believes, if the Henry is more or less rifle than the Ruger built Marlin, and I guess time will tell. As for the customer service, I had dealings with the Henry customer service on one of their products, and I feel their service is second to none. I had a couple of the old Marlins before they became part of Remington, and they were awesome. The truth is Remington just about caused the ones they built to have a really bad reputation.
As far as the loadings go, Garrett and Buffalo Bore list the Henry and Marlin as having the same power levels, and we will have to see which of them is the better gun.
I have read both have been used to take the big five in Africa, and anything on this continent. Truth is I would like to see the Marlins do the same thing with the mag tube Henry has done.
Makes loading and unloading safer. I was happy to see them put the loading gate on.
Even Rossi is doing that with their new 454 Casulls in their model 92s. I think it would make all lever guns safer to do that.
And since that technology is well over 100 years old, there is no patent for anyone to overcome.
But I guess that is just something that is a personal thing, but at Least Henry is now putting that option on their 30-30s, their 360 Buckhammer, 35 Remington, all their pistol caliber guns and of course their 45-70s
 
When mean things are about in the woods dark and deep, this is what comforts me:



Ain't no scrawny .44 Magnum or .45 Colt pop gun:rofl:.
 
I am not saying it is Ruger, but the dealers around here.
When I ask what the going price is here the markup here is about 10 to 15 percent higher than the Ruger listed price.
I guess it is what anyone believes, if the Henry is more or less rifle than the Ruger built Marlin, and I guess time will tell. As for the customer service, I had dealings with the Henry customer service on one of their products, and I feel their service is second to none. I had a couple of the old Marlins before they became part of Remington, and they were awesome. The truth is Remington just about caused the ones they built to have a really bad reputation.
As far as the loadings go, Garrett and Buffalo Bore list the Henry and Marlin as having the same power levels, and we will have to see which of them is the better gun.
I have read both have been used to take the big five in Africa, and anything on this continent. Truth is I would like to see the Marlins do the same thing with the mag tube Henry has done.
Makes loading and unloading safer. I was happy to see them put the loading gate on.
Even Rossi is doing that with their new 454 Casulls in their model 92s. I think it would make all lever guns safer to do that.
And since that technology is well over 100 years old, there is no patent for anyone to overcome.
But I guess that is just something that is a personal thing, but at Least Henry is now putting that option on their 30-30s, their 360 Buckhammer, 35 Remington, all their pistol caliber guns and of course their 45-70s

Guess I'm lucky up in north AL, because I just picked up a new Marlin 1895 Guide Gun for $1,100 plus tax from on of the local dealers I regularly visit, so only $75 more than you paid for a comparable rifle to your Henry. And personally, I hate the removable tube that Henry uses so that alone is worth the extra for the Marlin to me. In my opinion they are acceptable on 22's, any even then that's only because the rounds are too likely to be damaged by a loading gate, but on anything with any real recoil they are too fragile and I have seen too many pop out of position during recoil to ever trust them.
 
But when they came out with the ALL WEATHER, 45-70 with 18.5 inch barrel, with a hard chrome finish, loading gate so close the the Marlin it is not funny, and forabout half to two thirds what Ruger is getting for the new Marlins,

I think you did, that was the way I read it and is what I find issue with:

"and forabout half to two thirds what Ruger is getting for the new Marlins"

As to the self ejecting mag tube gizmo, no thanks on that. I have seen those mag tubes eject from the rifle under heavy recoil twice. It is a solution looking to cause a problem. On a Marlin you engage the CBS and cycle the rounds out. No need for a failure prone magazine tube like a big .22 rifle. And, please, no rebounding hammer either like the "Henry" without a half cock position. For a rifle intended for use against possibly dangerous animals, no rebounding hammer and no magazine tube, please, just no. That is okay for a .22 squirrel rifle but squirrels do not eat people, bears do.

And then repeat internet legend without having owned one, can we let Remington RIP now please?:

The truth is Remington just about caused the ones they built to have a really bad reputation.

I have two late Remington Marlin rifles and they are superb rifles, maybe better than the Rugers and JMs I own. In fact, the Remington 1895SBL is my all time favorite rifle even over my Ruger Marlin 1895SBL. I have looked at "Henry" and here is what I see on most of them:



There is nothing like that poor workmanship and misfits on either my Remington Marlin 336SS or 1895SBL or my Ruger Marlin SBL and GBL or any of my JMs for that matter.

 
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