5.45 or 7.62 x39: Arsenal or Tantal (Interarms, not Century) from Atlantic Firearms

Which AK?

  • Arsenal 107F (side folding, synthetic stock) in 7.62x39

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • Arsenal 107 (side folding, metal triangle stock) in 7.62x39

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Interarms Polish Tantal in 5.45x39

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Other (please suggest below)

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Total voters
    12
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I've decided to take the plunge and buy a rifle that is not 60+ years old. I've decided to with the AK platform (I will likely add an AR down the line, but I plan to wait on it). I also want something with a side folding stock (I've heard too many negative things about shooting an underfolder). I mainly plan for this rifle to be a bum around the woods/target shooting gun. My woods are wicked hilly, so compactness and weight are somewhat of an issue...essentially, I'd like a gun I'd be inclined to take with me when out for a walk through the woods (because in general, I opt to leave the Garand at home as it weighs a ton).

A secondary (but only because it's less likely to ever be needed for such) is as a defensive weapon against all critters/predators (4 and 2 legged, though 4 around here only really gets to be black bear size and they tend to leave well enough alone...so mostly 2 legged and perhaps wild dog). I've thus been trying to decide between 7.62x39 and 5.45x39. The very cheap price of 5.45x39 is obviously a selling point, but even 7.62x39 is significantly cheaper than other rounds for the rifles I already own. I understand the theory behind the smaller 5.56 and 5.45 caliber round, but I'm having a bit of trouble getting my mind around a less the an .30 calibered battle rifle with a grain weight less than even any pistol round I own (the smallest being the 86gr Tokarev). I'm sure I'll get over this but it has been holding me back from committing to 5.45x39 (can you tell I'm a .45acp guy over 9mm? haha). I imagine either round would generally be sufficient against two-legged vermin and wild dog but in the off chance of having to deal with a black bear would one of these rounds work better than other (or perhaps neither)?

Anyways, long story short, the main contenders are as follows:
Arsenal AK 107F (either with the synthetic folding stock or the metal folding triangle stock) in 7.62x39.
or the:
Interarms (not Century) Polish Tantal in 5.45x39.

I'm inclined towards the Arsenal, with a preference for the synthetic stock over metal one...anyone have experience with the comfort of either? The Arsenal is right at the top of my rifle budget around $840-880 at Atlantic firearms and the IAC Tantal is right around $630. I have ruled out the 5.45x39 Arsenal folding stock rifles as they push the limit over my budget (into the $1000+). I'd thought about an AMD 65 in 7.62, but it just never grew on me.

Can anyone suggest either rifle to me or perhaps a third option I've overlooked? Also does anyone know what the discount Atlantic gives for members of THR? Should I be looking at making the purchase elsewhere (ie a cheaper place)? Many thanks!
 
All the rifles you're considering are likely out of stock. I would check with Blaine at Atlantic Firearms about availability before getting your hopes up.

Most Arsenal rifles with folding stocks are very-very back ordered, especially the SLR's.

They do have one in stock (or did a couple of days ago) and it was the Russian made SGL 21-94 (7.62x39) with the left side polymer side folder. But those too are selling fast.

Here's a review I did on the one I got from Blaine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWtw7SClL4

They might have some of the SGL31-94's (5.45x39) in stock still (Russian side folder).
 
Thanks for the input, sturmgewehr. Your review is part of what got me thinking more sreiously about going for an Arsenal. I didn't see the SGL 21-94 on the atlantic firearms website. I'll have to shoot them a call to see just how backordered the arsenal rifles are. Thanks again!
 
I have fired a 7.62x39 Yugo clone and a 5.45x39 from Atlantic Firearms and both are a lot of fun except for the short stocks. The Atlantic one was the russian gun with the "plum furniture". The stock on the 5.45 is just a little shorter than the 7.62. I might get a US made stock that is a little longer and DuraCoat it with a Russian Camo theme.

The 5.45 had a 6x scope on it and I was pleased with the accuracy that I could get with the cramped up aiming position with the stock. I guess their stock is a multi-purpose thing for field and urban use or I have been bench resting too long.

Either one is a hoot to shoot but my concern is how long will the 5.45 ammo be around at reasonable prices.
 
I suspect the 5.45x39 will be around at reasonable prices longer than the 7.62x39 as it is the current military issue round for the Russian military so they're still churning it out of the factories. There's certainly alot of 7.62x39 ammo still floating around but also a great many 7.62x39 firing rifles in the world, and a number of countries still use it for their militaries but don't produce it themselves...so I'm not really sure which would last longer but I don't suspect 5.45x39 will suddenly dry up any time soon.

EDIT: After doing a bit more research I think I'm going to hold off until the Arsenals are in more plentiful supply. I appreciate the help and hopefully this thread can be useful to others looking at similar decisions. If the mods want they can lock it, etc.
 
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Jim Fuller said to me once that your first AK should be a 7.62x39, your second should be a 7.62x39, and your third should be a 5.45x39.

I can't disagree.

I WOULD recommend a Rifle Dynamics or Red Jacket over the Arsenal (For quality reasons... at a close price)
 
Get a Saiga 5.45 and a case of ammo for less than the arsenal...then take your time and convert it to whatever configuration you want...
 
Jim Fuller said to me once that your first AK should be a 7.62x39, your second should be a 7.62x39, and your third should be a 5.45x39.
My Rifle Dynamics Bulgarian Krink will be here on Monday. It's been a long 5+ months waiting on it, but I'm excited to see it.

Jim did the work personally to my rifle. He's a big Krink fan, he thinks it's one of the best rifles out there. He likes to do all of the Krinks that come into the shop if he can, because he's so fond of them.

I'll post a review video of the work he's done on my Krink in the next few weeks.
 
"...Yeah, but unless you do a FULL conversion it won't really be a true AK..."
Unless the rifle in question is fully automatic, then I suppose none of these is a "true AK"
But a Saiga made in Russia IS an Avtomat Kalishnikov. How much of a conversion is done, or if it even is done, depends on the needs of the user.
It is not difficult to do a full conversion of a Saiga to AK configuration...not at all.
However, in my case, I think I am leaving my Saiga mostly stock.
 
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