7.62x39mm AR-15?

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I have a stock of 3,500 rounds of various 7.62x39mm saved up and since the pandemic began this caliber has been the least affected price wise and is still at very reasonable levels. Even now it has fallen to well under $0.30 per round making it by far cheaper than anything else centerfire rifle wise.

The problem is, I’ve grown weary of my SKS rifle and simply do not enjoy AKs. I am looking for something more modern with better ergonomics. I see their are various ARs in this caliber out but have no idea which ones are worth seeking (if any) or which to avoid, since I hear some are not dependable.

Any QUALITY AR chambered in 7.62x39mm? How about other designs that are not AKs or SKS?
 
Mini30?

The thing about 7.62X39 in an AR is that the ammo column doesnt like to make the transition from the magazine curvature into the straight portion of a conventional AR magwell, thanks to the much higher degree of taper to the cartridge case. This is where 99% of problems originate.

Id recommended getting one of the dedicated 7.62 lowers which accepts standard AK magazines.
 
Mini30?

The thing about 7.62X39 in an AR is that the ammo column doesnt like to make the transition from the magazine curvature into the straight portion of a conventional AR magwell, thanks to the much higher degree of taper to the cartridge case. This is where 99% of problems originate.

Id recommended getting one of the dedicated 7.62 lowers which accepts standard AK magazines.

I’ve read Mini-30s have improper bore diameters for the cheap imported Russian steel cased ammo and worse, aren’t made to reliably work with steel cased ammo. They are specifically made to fire only brass cased .308” diameter bulleted American ammunition from my research.
 
I’ve read Mini-30s have improper bore diameters for the cheap imported Russian steel cased ammo and worse, aren’t made to reliably work with steel cased ammo. They are specifically made to fire only brass cased .308” diameter bulleted American ammunition from my research.
Pretty sure that was only an issue with the very earliest ones- which also had problems with broken firing pins thanks to hard military primers.

I had a relatively recent one, not sure of the series, but it would feed Wolf and Tula just fine from factory mags- never tried it with aftermarket units- and accuracy was acceptable, though Minis are not considered to be as accurate as the average AR.
 
In Ruger Mini 30s the issue was Hard Berdan Primers. It was Not the steel cases …themselves. This was my experience.

Mine was a 2005 series, and the Mini 30’s firing pin spring reportedly can be Replaced by a stronger spring?

With a better spring plus a Ruger OEM mag it might be a very reliable rifle. Lots of fun to shoot. That 30 and the Mini 14 reminded me of a somewhat 'blend' of the M-1 Carbine and a bit of the Garand.

To me that's fun, and to be quite frank (don't want to be a heretical "frankfurter" ;)), I don't Need the most accurate guns . Not at 25-50 yards...........

Note: JGSales just cut prices for 1,000 rds from $379 to $330…. 7.62x39.
… and Ammoman - Including Shipping- down to $320.

Progress, indeed.:cool: ;) Ammo Flippers won’t like this :confused: But whenever both 9mm and .223 steadily, but however slowly decrease, it will be a rude awakening.
 
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I’m seeing it at $0.26 a round from certain vendors on ammoseek.

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/7.62x39mm

I once owned a CZ-527 but sold it. Nice rifle but I hated the proprietary 5 round mags which were expensive and low capacity. Kind of limited the versatility of the gun, not great for defense.

I know Ruger makes an American Ranch in this caliber but they seem to be unobtainable at the moment and are going for jaw dropping prices of $1K or more on the big auction sites. I think the word is out on how cheap 7.62x39mm is to everything else out there.

Maybe I can just “Bubba” my SKS with non permanent mods... a tactical stock, light, 2-point sling might be pretty cool for a project...
 
Not much point in Bubbaing an SKS when a "sorta" AK is basically what you end up with, and a poor one at that.

What about the AK's dont you like? Ive had a number and all shot and functioned well. You do need to spend/dedicate a little quality time with one though if you want to learn to use it well. Its not an AR, and if you try and run it like one, youll likely be disappointed. Learn to run them like an AK, and I think youll find they work/shoot very well.

If you put something like an Ultimak rail on them, with a decent red dot, you get cowitnessed irons, and comparable accuracy when shooting with the AR's in a similar fashion.
 
My CMMG AR-47 is one of my favorites. Like others have said, the platform itself is solid but magazines can be problematic.
 
If you want good ergos in a non-AR format then consider the CZ Bren 2, the IWI Galil Ace or DS Arms G3 clone. Newer gen Mini 30s are good to go too.

The CMMG AR47 mentioned above are great in the AR format. Would love to see more reviews on the M+M M10X. There are other ARs in that caliber but I'm not remembering the brands.
 
JCooperfan1911:
The ammo search engine "Gunbot" still had Lots of selections' price data from 2019, >> as late as last fall :notworthy: <<.

That's really good that Ammoseek has new, Updated price info.

Another rifle in 7.62x39, the Czechpoint (CSA) VZ-58 achieved 1.64 "moa" in a single, limited test on AKOU (Youtube). Not sniper material, but good enough for small objects ---within-- the parameters of the 123-grain 7.62 bullet's ballistic drag coefficient?

:cool: VZ58: Czech Hammer! - YouTube At least one moa group at 1:38 in this video, using his Red Dot Scope. Most or all of the recent Czech Small Arms VZ barrels were produced in Germany by Lothar.

* The Main Point here (AR-15): :scrutiny: Couldn't a decent AR do at least as well, using decent US-made ammo, even if closer than the 200 yards used by Rob Ski with his VZ?
 
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I have a stock of 3,500 rounds of various 7.62x39mm saved up and since the pandemic began this caliber has been the least affected price wise and is still at very reasonable levels. Even now it has fallen to well under $0.30 per round making it by far cheaper than anything else centerfire rifle wise.

The problem is, I’ve grown weary of my SKS rifle and simply do not enjoy AKs. I am looking for something more modern with better ergonomics. I see their are various ARs in this caliber out but have no idea which ones are worth seeking (if any) or which to avoid, since I hear some are not dependable.

Any QUALITY AR chambered in 7.62x39mm? How about other designs that are not AKs or SKS?
I can't speak to "QUALITY", since my only experience is recent, and with a "budget" Bear Creek Armory. It seems fine to me, others seem to like it, while others again seem to dislike or distrust the brand.

Mine works, and I'm shooting the cheapest steel ammo I can find. Tula, Wolf, old Barnaul, Silver Bear etc.

What I can tell you- I bought the upper, and have put it on several different lowers, all with stock trigger. I didn't have to do anything with the hammer spring, I get good enough strike to ignite the primers.
Back to the upper: came with a heavy parkerized barrel, seems accurate enough to me thus far.
The bolt face is wider, resulting in a thinner rim. This may be a weakness in design, haven't seen it thus far. I DID have a problem- the extractor that came with it, is I think for a 6.5 Grendel. Noticeably thinner lip, and mine sheared. I don't know if it's due to manufacturer, or design flaw. What I can tell you is this- I replaced it with a standard AR extractor for 5.56. It fits, grabs the case and throws it clean. The standard extractor doesn't quite grab as large a circumference of the case, but it grabs enough- and it's thick enough that it seems like it will survive as long as it would on a 5.56 bolt. There appears to be no damage occurring to the extractor, and the case heads are not mishapen or showing any sign of problem.
There are comments online that the berdan primers are hard, and the fix is to get either/both an enhanced firing pin, or a stronger hammer spring. I didn't change the hammer spring. Before swapping the firing pin, I found Barnaul to be 100%, Tula to be about 50%. The "enhanced" pin is shaped in a way that it goes a hair deeper, and the swap has made everything 100% thus far. BCA now advertises that they ship with an enhanced pin, they didn't at the time I bought it. It cost me $11.

Magazines= I bought some dedicated C-Product (Duramag) mags, 10 and 28 rd. Kinda pricy, but they run. They run great. Standard 5.56 mags do not work well at all, you might get 4-5 rds, if that. The Duramags, you can run them as intended.

My impression- I wanted a rifle to take advantage of cheap 7.62x39 ammo, I didn't want to break the bank doing it. I spent $150 on a cheap complete lower, $300 on a BCA complete upper (comes with BCG and handle), $11 on the firing pin, about $20 apiece on mags. My extractor was $8, I got a few as spares for all my ARs. I'm now satisfied that it's as reliable with the cheap ammo, as I would ask. I've put a couple hundred rds through it since swapping the extractor and pin without further hiccup. Once prices drop some more, I'll keep testing, but so far so good.

I wouldn't get an "AK lower", I think standard with Duramags is plenty good enough and a lot easier to fiddle with down the road. Take that for what it's worth. Happy hunting.
 
Two of my AR's are in 7.62x39. Both run any size magazines with zero gun malfunction. One malfunction due to Golden Tiger ammo that just would not go off no matter how many times you hammered the primer.
I also bought these because of the cheap ammo that used to be available. Maybe in 2-3 years the good times will roll again.:)
 
JCooperfan1911:
The ammo search engine "Gunbot" still had Lots of selections' price data from 2019, >> as late as last fall :notworthy: <<.

That's really good that Ammoseek has new, Updated price info.

Another rifle in 7.62x39, the Czechpoint (CSA) VZ-58 achieved 1.64 "moa" in a single, limited test on AKOU (Youtube). Not sniper material, but good enough for small objects ---within-- the parameters of the 123-grain 7.62 bullet's ballistic drag coefficient?

:cool: VZ58: Czech Hammer! - YouTube At least one moa group at 1:38 in this video, using his Red Dot Scope. Most or all of the recent Czech Small Arms VZ barrels were produced in Germany by Lothar.

* The Main Point here (AR-15): :scrutiny: Couldn't a decent AR do at least as well, using decent US-made ammo, even if closer than the 200 yards used by Rob Ski with his VZ?

This is how mine shoots wolf 124gr hp at 100 yards

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And this is handloaded with .308” 125gr nosler accubonds.

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Mini30?

The thing about 7.62X39 in an AR is that the ammo column doesnt like to make the transition from the magazine curvature into the straight portion of a conventional AR magwell, thanks to the much higher degree of taper to the cartridge case. This is where 99% of problems originate.

Id recommended getting one of the dedicated 7.62 lowers which accepts standard AK magazines.

This is the correct answer! However, the AR lowers that take an Ak banana mag require a special dedicated upper (at least the ones from PSA do) so you are looking at buying a whole rifle. The cheaper option is just using C-products 7.62x39 mags, and using a regular AR lower. Ive used them for a while, and the mags are generally reliable once you have loaded and unloaded them a few times.

I wouldn’t over think it, just get a PSA or Bear creek upper in whatever configuration you desire when they are on sale and have at it.

10.5 inch 7.62x39 AR Pistols are just about perfect IMHO!
 
Thanks all. 0 interest in a “pistol” as I feel those will be the first to get the axe, and their days without a stamp are numbered. Plus I want the barrel length so the round can get up to speed.

Anyone deal with Windham? I have a lead on one of their 7.62x39 rifles:

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Windham is good to go, they make quality products. Windham is the original Bushmaster factory after the Bushmaster name was sold. I don't have any of their 7.62x39 uppers, but if the are made as well as the 5.56 uppers then you are good to go.
 
My cheap AR Stoner 7.62x39 upper has been fabulous. Its the cheapest one they make and in several years its been 100% reliable and very accurate with the American ammo choices. My reloads don't shoot any more accurate but they are 100-150fps faster.

I use mine for deer hunting and the ASC 10 round mags have been all I need. Its accounted for more deer than any other rifle I own and its the cheapest one I own too.

Federal Fusion is the best factory load available for hunting. I use the Speer Gold Dot bullet as the component when I load myself.
 
Thanks all. 0 interest in a “pistol” as I feel those will be the first to get the axe, and their days without a stamp are numbered. Plus I want the barrel length so the round can get up to speed.
I wavered back and forth regarding a pistol, for the same reason you did. Ended up getting one (10.5" in 5.56) for Father's Day... I slapped a BCA upper on a PSA complete lower for under $400 (about $360).

Ultimately, a few things put me into the "buy and watch" camp.
The first thing was price, decent enough as a base.

2nd thing, the PSA lower was simply a brace on a carbine buffer tube, worst case scenario #1 I remove/destroy the brace and put a stock, and it's another complete carbine lower.

3rd thing, I did a little research, and barrel swaps aren't that intimidating. Worst case scenario #2, I get a 16" barrel and it becomes a carbine upper.

Final reason, and something I'd be curious to hear more about-
10.5 inch 7.62x39 AR Pistols are just about perfect IMHO!
I looked over the checklist (form 4999), and one takeaway is that if you remove the brace entirely, you seem to be good to go with this current proposal . 5.56 in a carbine doesn't seem to kick hardly at all, and in playing around with my pistol setup, seems to be the same with a pistol.
I found I could comfortably hold this two-handed, non-shouldered, and still get an acceptable cheek weld. Recoil in this caliber made lack of shouldering a non-issue, the gun didn't move. It wasn't as awkward as I feared, either. I'm hesitant about the 7.62x39, thinking it may move more.
 
I have a stock of 3,500 rounds of various 7.62x39mm saved up and since the pandemic began this caliber has been the least affected price wise and is still at very reasonable levels. Even now it has fallen to well under $0.30 per round making it by far cheaper than anything else centerfire rifle wise.

The problem is, I’ve grown weary of my SKS rifle and simply do not enjoy AKs. I am looking for something more modern with better ergonomics. I see their are various ARs in this caliber out but have no idea which ones are worth seeking (if any) or which to avoid, since I hear some are not dependable.

Any QUALITY AR chambered in 7.62x39mm? How about other designs that are not AKs or SKS?
I have built several ars in 762x39 for the very same reason cheap amo .My friend an i just had a range session, i tested my first build only problem was 1 out of a 10 round mag was a light strike .I ordered a enhanced firing pin and that did the trick .The build was an anderson lower ,millspec lpk and a psa upper the upper was from a year ago. now psa includes the enhanced pin and some other up grades to the new uppers they sell .
 
I have two Bear Creek uppers one pistol and a new 2nd gen 16 inch both run like a top. The pistol is my go to hunting firearm, the rifle has less than 100 rounds through it but no problems yet. For mags i prefer the 20 rounders from ASC could just be a case of ocd but 20 rounds to a box makes it easy.
 
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