9MM 1911 - $329.99
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Yeah, the Tisa has a dovetail rear and a staked front. Not impossible to change, but limited options and you have to have some tools. I have radius-ed a GI frame for a beavertail safety before and it isn't too bad of a job but also requires special tools. It's definitely not a simple project.
The gun from PSA looks like it would be usable right off the bat but also fairly easy to tinker with.
And here we thought @Walkalong was a troublemaker!Worth mentioning that the 10mm is $70 more. Just sayin'.
Those of us who have (cough) a few 9mm 1911s might want something else.
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John
$78 for shipping, tax, and FFL transfer. That's for the more expensive 10 mm.
Or, uh, I guess that's what it would be.
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hmmm. been looking for a candidate for a dedicated frame for a 22 conversion. had basically committed myself to waiting for Fusion to get back to selling complete lower frames for 1911s. but this is tempting.
The 10mm seems fairly well made. It's tight, as new RIA 1911s are. It also was coated with rust preventative, as all RIAs I've seen have been.
It came with .45 mags, which do seem to be holding the 10mm rounds.
John
It came with .45 mags, which do seem to be holding the 10mm rounds.
John
Dave DeLaurant
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FWIW, I've a couple RIA/Armscore 1911A1s in .45 and .38 Super and have been content with both so far. Not tackdrivers, but a good value, solid and reliable.
The .45 converts to rimfire easily with my Ciener conversion, while the ramp on the .38 prevents this.
I've been using MecGar mags with metal floorplates in the .38 and Colt-branded SS mag in the .45.
The .45 converts to rimfire easily with my Ciener conversion, while the ramp on the .38 prevents this.
I've been using MecGar mags with metal floorplates in the .38 and Colt-branded SS mag in the .45.
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My buddy John bought a Kimber rimfire conversion kit for his Springfield 1911. FWIW, we swapped back and forth and found that the Kimber slide fits my RIA .45 frame (1911A1 Government) just fine. It's a very similar rig to my budget (Midway closeout) Ciener except for the pricetag, finish and adjustable sights.
I haven't tried the 1911 unit from Advantage Arms, but their website seems confident about the fit. Their Gen 3 Glock kit works great on my G19, and the build quality is a bit neater than Ciener's.
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Dave, I have a Kimber .22 conversion that has run on a Gold Cup, but not without drama. Jam, hiccup, jam, FTF....finally figured out the Kimber mags were a little too tall, and were dragging on the .22 slide. Took a little off the magazine latch slot, and now they run.
If past experience is any indication, you couldn't give me an Advantage Arms Glock conversion. YMMV.
Am I to understand that Armscorp guns are Filipino? Always amazed me that really decent 1911s can be made in all sorts of far flung places; by comparison, Walther PPKs seem to be a challenge, tho' I guess there were some Eastern European copies.
Full size 9mm 1911s are mellow honeys to shoot.
Moon
If past experience is any indication, you couldn't give me an Advantage Arms Glock conversion. YMMV.
Am I to understand that Armscorp guns are Filipino? Always amazed me that really decent 1911s can be made in all sorts of far flung places; by comparison, Walther PPKs seem to be a challenge, tho' I guess there were some Eastern European copies.
Full size 9mm 1911s are mellow honeys to shoot.
Moon
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Off topic: I just bought one of the slightly larger PP models this month in .32 ACP, made by Manhurin in France.
I didn't know until recently that the post-WWII Ulm-marked Walthers were just assembled and rebranded in Germany using French-manufactured components.
I'm not sure how many post-WWII Walther PP/PPKs were actually made in Zella-Mehlis under the East Germans, but MKE in Turkey made a whole bunch of unlicensed clones. More recently (post-2000), FEG in Hungary has been making a licensed variant called the PPK/E.
I used to own an Interarms-branded .380 stainless PPK/S made in Alabama but I sold it after a few years -- it was uncomfortable to shoot and a notorious biter. I was careful and the slide never got me, but I started carrying bandaids to the range with it after it seeing it take chunks in turn from the hands of my brother, cousin and best friend. I much prefer the dimensions of the PP over the PPK now.
Back in the mid1980s I also once owned an Iver Johnson PPK-inspired TP22 in .22 LR. It worked just fine, but the finish wore off the alloy frame rather quickly. It was pretty homely by the time I sold it. One of these days I'd like to acquire an all-steel PP in .22 LR.
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Thread hijack; I've a couple of the Interarms/Ranger guns, and have been happy with them; the PP platform started life as a .32, and remains much more comfortable in that guise. As regards slide bite, they do have a reputation for that, especially if you have beefy hands, and hold high on the frame. The PPK/s was a workaround for GCA'68, but the longer grip was popular in even in guns made over here.
The Manurhin-made Walthers have an excellent reputation, and sometimes it's possible to find guns marked as Manurhin. Not certain that the East Germans made any Walthers; the factory moved to Ulm, where the Manurhin guns were proofed and finished.
I'd like to find a Turk or Hungarian example in nice shape.
Back to my question; the 1911 seems a more complicated, locked breech pistol, yet they are made in all sorts of places (the Philippines, Brazil, China, Turkey, to name a few), while the blowback PP series was a challenge. The Smith & Walther partnership seemed made in heaven, but Smith struggled with the program.
They did add the big beavertail (despised by the Walther cognoscenti) but I guess it finally ends the slide bite.
BTW, the Iver TP was based on the Walther TPH, which is much like a 3/4 scale PPK, in either .22 or .25; most of the ones seen here are stainless Ranger production, tho' a few German ones slipped in for Law Enforcement, ordered on department letterhead.
The Ivers were all alloy (hence fatter), but kinda neat little guns.
Moon
The Manurhin-made Walthers have an excellent reputation, and sometimes it's possible to find guns marked as Manurhin. Not certain that the East Germans made any Walthers; the factory moved to Ulm, where the Manurhin guns were proofed and finished.
I'd like to find a Turk or Hungarian example in nice shape.
Back to my question; the 1911 seems a more complicated, locked breech pistol, yet they are made in all sorts of places (the Philippines, Brazil, China, Turkey, to name a few), while the blowback PP series was a challenge. The Smith & Walther partnership seemed made in heaven, but Smith struggled with the program.
They did add the big beavertail (despised by the Walther cognoscenti) but I guess it finally ends the slide bite.
BTW, the Iver TP was based on the Walther TPH, which is much like a 3/4 scale PPK, in either .22 or .25; most of the ones seen here are stainless Ranger production, tho' a few German ones slipped in for Law Enforcement, ordered on department letterhead.
The Ivers were all alloy (hence fatter), but kinda neat little guns.
Moon
Can we assume you mean Armscor, one of the major manufacturers of firearms in the Philippines?
Armscor manufactures 1911s that are marketed by under different brand names. Likely the most well known is Rock Island Armory. They are well known for their build quality and their partnership with STI, when they were building their entry level 1911 really upped their refinement. I would say the Armscor owns the entry level 1911 market and is an easy choice over Turkish manufactured 1911s
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Dave DeLaurant
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The postwar DDR production PP were designated 1001-0 and used by the VoPo. Production details are hard to find -- I couldn't even find a mention of them in Manfred Kersten's big book Walther A German Legend. They aren't common and command a collectible premium.
https://simpsonltd.com/east-german-pp-c46296/
This guns.com posting claims they were mid1950s production at Zella-Mehlis.
https://www.guns.com/news/2021/09/27/east-germany-calling-zella-mehlis-p1001-0
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Dave, longtime on the Walther board, and this never came up. Wow.
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anothernewb
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nice.
I do already have a Nelson Custom 22 conversion kit ready to go. just looking for the frame to put it on.
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It's weirdly absent from most of the five books on Walther I have -- only the relatively new Osprey guide mentions it. It even shows a photo of the .22 LR version:
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