Geronimo45
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Spare ammo never hurts your chances of survival in a gunfight. It can hurt to carry. 
A compeling reason to carry lots of ammo.
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yongxingfreesty
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i feel good with 11 rnds in my .glock 33.
also feel damn good with 5 rounds of .38golden saber in the s&w j frame.
also feel damn good with 5 rounds of .38golden saber in the s&w j frame.
That's a completely true statement. It's hard to believe that there are adult individuals in this country who can't grasp such a simple concept.
If I come across seven heavily armed perps---it doesn't matter if they're breaking in my house, my store, my car, or they approach me on the street trying to rob me---I want a lot more than a snubbie with five rounds. Anybody with common sense would.
cmanhome
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My Taurus PT92
I have 5 mags for my PT92, if I choose to have that for carry. That gives me 85 rounds of 9mm.
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I have 5 mags for my PT92, if I choose to have that for carry. That gives me 85 rounds of 9mm.
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Evocatii
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Why stop there Defensory? The OP never mentioned anything about CCW, belt carry, or rational thinking. Start yourself out with a 240G with applicable combat load to deal with those "seven heavily (where you got heavily, I don't know, are they wearing Kevlar/SAPI plates?) armed perps."
Oh, and yes I can take Iwo Jima with a five shot snub. As a matter of fact, I have. Twice.
With this being said, I do carry a five shot snub with one reload in the event I cross paths with "seven heavily armed" cattle. That is all there is in my neck of the woods. Some have horns don't cha know? Actually, there are mountain lions here as well. But, if you bump into one of them it is probably too late and your 50+ rounds won't do you any good.
It's a good thing the OP never mentioned anything about rational thinking, because your post doesn't display any.
We're talking about handguns and ammo suitable and legal for CIVILIAN carry here.
Carrying enough ammo for a multi-perp self-defense situation is plain common sense. Five rounds isn't enough to stop seven determined aggressors. Anybody with good sense would want more than that against TWO aggressors.
Now please try to debate rationally, rather than just spouting off. Thanks!
Evocatii
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For the sake of discussion, lets point out some assumptions that are being made.
1. Multi-perp self-defense situation means nearly a squad (13 for those civilian types, and yes, these bad guys in particular are heavily armed)
2. Since they are heavily armed (as you stated), we are to assume that they chose big bore rounds and each carry in excess of 37 rounds. (12+1 and two mags since this seems to be the consensus minimum in this thread)
3. They are hard core criminals because this entire squad is looking to kill you. (Why would they bring over 450 rounds of ammunition and a small arsenal if they were bothering you to play a game of checkers?)
First things first. I agree with you, more ammo is better if at all possible in this situation. Problem is, chances are you won't have a chance to use it while you huddle behind that dumpster and a hailstorm of lead keeps you effectively pinned.
This would be a prime example that would favor the sound logic that was already presented by earlier posts. Summarized as follows;
1. Situational awareness is vital
2. Not putting yourself in a bad spot to begin with is also key
3. Being proficient with your weapon beats spraying lead
4. Strategy, tactics, and knowledge = survival
And my own opinion... good running shoes +1
Moral of the story is we can always assume the worst, but this doesn't necessarily mean we are improving our odds. i.e. 7 vs 1, 20 vs 1, 150000 vs 1. You are still only one person with a handgun in this scenario. Extra ammunition doesn't make you a better shot, better under stress, or a smarter shooter. I would put my money on the guy with a 5 shot snub, a reload, and a good pair of running shoes. This tells me that he has thought things out and has a plan of action and might just know how to use his gear, or at least one could only hope. We could mold the scenario around your argument for extra ammunition, but that is unfair to the readers and ultimately up to interpretation. There are many people that are not only capable of fending off two assailants with a 5 shot revolver, to many this isn't unreasonable. Paranoia isn't a substitute for rational thinking.
1. Multi-perp self-defense situation means nearly a squad (13 for those civilian types, and yes, these bad guys in particular are heavily armed)
2. Since they are heavily armed (as you stated), we are to assume that they chose big bore rounds and each carry in excess of 37 rounds. (12+1 and two mags since this seems to be the consensus minimum in this thread)
3. They are hard core criminals because this entire squad is looking to kill you. (Why would they bring over 450 rounds of ammunition and a small arsenal if they were bothering you to play a game of checkers?)
First things first. I agree with you, more ammo is better if at all possible in this situation. Problem is, chances are you won't have a chance to use it while you huddle behind that dumpster and a hailstorm of lead keeps you effectively pinned.
This would be a prime example that would favor the sound logic that was already presented by earlier posts. Summarized as follows;
1. Situational awareness is vital
2. Not putting yourself in a bad spot to begin with is also key
3. Being proficient with your weapon beats spraying lead
4. Strategy, tactics, and knowledge = survival
And my own opinion... good running shoes +1
Moral of the story is we can always assume the worst, but this doesn't necessarily mean we are improving our odds. i.e. 7 vs 1, 20 vs 1, 150000 vs 1. You are still only one person with a handgun in this scenario. Extra ammunition doesn't make you a better shot, better under stress, or a smarter shooter. I would put my money on the guy with a 5 shot snub, a reload, and a good pair of running shoes. This tells me that he has thought things out and has a plan of action and might just know how to use his gear, or at least one could only hope. We could mold the scenario around your argument for extra ammunition, but that is unfair to the readers and ultimately up to interpretation. There are many people that are not only capable of fending off two assailants with a 5 shot revolver, to many this isn't unreasonable. Paranoia isn't a substitute for rational thinking.
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Big Boomer
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Ammo is a good thing, weight is not. Seeing how I can run for chit anyhow I carry more ammo 
This pic a while back, I have more speed strips now and can manage one more mag in there. Oh you didn't see the organizer holster, and the other in the crotch hehe.
66 rounds 45 Acp
54 rounds of 357
10 rounds of 22mag
110 total! But like I said there's a bit more now. If I only had a bigger waist!
This pic a while back, I have more speed strips now and can manage one more mag in there. Oh you didn't see the organizer holster, and the other in the crotch hehe.
66 rounds 45 Acp
54 rounds of 357
10 rounds of 22mag
110 total! But like I said there's a bit more now. If I only had a bigger waist!
well I replied on the similar topic in the other forum about this and I'm still figuring this out... but...
certainly everyone agrees that if there was no tradeoff, more ammo is better, right?
then in that case, it is just a matter of balancing tradeoffs. some tradeoffs are just too costly. for example, if you can never hit a target with an auto, then you are stuck. likewise if you absolutely canNOT find any way under any circumstances to conceal anything bigger than a PF9, then you are going to be limited.
however many of these threads I read feature posts that do not have what I would consider reasonable tradeoffs. some doubt that you will ever have a use for more than 5 shots (and I doubt you will ever have use for more than zero). some claim to be more comfortable either shooting or concealing a 5-shot revolver (I think with practice and a little effort you can overcome this easily). I don't subscribe to either of these as a workable tradeoff FOR ME but that's just FOR ME.
everyone is going to have to make this choice. odds are you will never end up proving that you were right. it is still prudent, IMHO, to seriously consider whether carrying more than 5 rounds can be made practical for you, and if so, consider making the adjustments necessary to better protect yourself. if you can't make it practical, well at least you are carrying SOMETHING and that's better than NOTHING, if it so happens that you do need more than zero one day.
FWIW this is a choice I am still debating. I have a 17-round 9mm. I am enamored with a couple of 8 or 10 shot more compact 9s that sure seem easier to carry. going to half the capacity in favor of convenience is tempting, but I have to make that choice with my eyes open and on purpose.
certainly everyone agrees that if there was no tradeoff, more ammo is better, right?
then in that case, it is just a matter of balancing tradeoffs. some tradeoffs are just too costly. for example, if you can never hit a target with an auto, then you are stuck. likewise if you absolutely canNOT find any way under any circumstances to conceal anything bigger than a PF9, then you are going to be limited.
however many of these threads I read feature posts that do not have what I would consider reasonable tradeoffs. some doubt that you will ever have a use for more than 5 shots (and I doubt you will ever have use for more than zero). some claim to be more comfortable either shooting or concealing a 5-shot revolver (I think with practice and a little effort you can overcome this easily). I don't subscribe to either of these as a workable tradeoff FOR ME but that's just FOR ME.
everyone is going to have to make this choice. odds are you will never end up proving that you were right. it is still prudent, IMHO, to seriously consider whether carrying more than 5 rounds can be made practical for you, and if so, consider making the adjustments necessary to better protect yourself. if you can't make it practical, well at least you are carrying SOMETHING and that's better than NOTHING, if it so happens that you do need more than zero one day.
FWIW this is a choice I am still debating. I have a 17-round 9mm. I am enamored with a couple of 8 or 10 shot more compact 9s that sure seem easier to carry. going to half the capacity in favor of convenience is tempting, but I have to make that choice with my eyes open and on purpose.
Carry whatever you want after determining what the likely scenarios are, what the unlikely scenarios are, and determing what your individual needs. Be honest about your ability with the chosen weapon, and have that ability tested objectively in training.
Too many people put confidence in their choices (whether hi-cap pistol or snub nose revolver) without any justification whatsoever. They've looked at gun mags, internet forums, and or just the specs of the weapon itself. They do a little slow fire on the range, maybe some "quick draws" at home, and declare themselves ready.
Those are often the same people who make their fellow students nervous when (if) they ever take actual training.
Too many people put confidence in their choices (whether hi-cap pistol or snub nose revolver) without any justification whatsoever. They've looked at gun mags, internet forums, and or just the specs of the weapon itself. They do a little slow fire on the range, maybe some "quick draws" at home, and declare themselves ready.
Those are often the same people who make their fellow students nervous when (if) they ever take actual training.
jackstinson
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I always carry no less than two cases of pistol ammo and at least a dozen reloads for the RPG. Better to have it and not need it.....etc.
Jack
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If I lived in a place so dangerous that I felt I needed to carry 40 rounds of ammo everyday, I think I would move. Maybe it's like that in big cities or up north but not around here and I'll be danged if I'm going to walk around uncomfortable all the time in case I happen upon a shootout between the Bloods and the Crips. It's just not feasable.
I could see LEOs doing it or even that guy who owned the jewelry store (of course he didn't have to carry it all day) but the average citizen ? Come on, you're dreaming.
I could see LEOs doing it or even that guy who owned the jewelry store (of course he didn't have to carry it all day) but the average citizen ? Come on, you're dreaming.
DawgFvr
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buzz knox:
+1
I always find these arm chair commando threads extremely entertaining. So many on here think that they have to carry boxes of ammo in case of a "gang" attacking them. Really...if a gang attacked them...and they usually carry pistols too...why would the good guy think that the gang members, while shooting at/back at him, would even get to the next reload or bug in the cross fire?
+1
I always find these arm chair commando threads extremely entertaining. So many on here think that they have to carry boxes of ammo in case of a "gang" attacking them. Really...if a gang attacked them...and they usually carry pistols too...why would the good guy think that the gang members, while shooting at/back at him, would even get to the next reload or bug in the cross fire?
denfoote
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Everything you say is true, but the last time I tried concealing my SKS, it didn't work out that well!!!
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A compelling reason to not tick off a gang of people or to even stay away from the place they live around.
That depends what you are wearing. In the winter I could probably conceal a FN P90 and a few reloads. While wearing a suit, three hicaps no problem. In summer attire, it can be an issue.
Fact is some times I could easily carry a big gun with a couple of reloads and a BUG too with out a real loss in comfort or any trouble concealing it. Other times a tiny pocket gun is all I can reasonably carry.
I personal like to have as much ammo as is practical. I figure there is no reason not to. I also greatly prefer to have a spare mag on a magazine fed pistol. I dont really anticipate needing some of the ammounts of rounds that have been listed but I dont anticipate really needing to shoot anyone either. It is a matter of prepairing for not only the unexpected but even the unprobable.
I am curious as to whether some of those that have stated they carry a very high number of rounds sport body armor as well. It would seem even more sensical under their reasoning for carrying so many rounds.
Sato Ord
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I'm not against carrying more ammo. I carry an S&W Sigma with fourteen in the clip.
However, I doubt I will find myself in such a situation. The "victim" in this case actually went looking for trouble. He wanted to avenge a perceived insult to his manhood, and he threw the first punch. He did this in a crime ridden neighborhood where the man he hit was a member of the local gang that runs said neighborhood.
I like to think that I have enough common sense not to put myself in such a conflict in the first place.
I also agree that the mob mentality is such that a few shots will usually scatter the crowd. There's a reason they refer to a shotgun as a "riot gun". We're talking about a mob, not a squad of trained Marines.
I like the answer to the question in "Stand by me" - "You gonna shoot all of us with thing, kid?"
"No, Ace, just you!"
You aim at the one or two in the lead and the rest find someplace else to be.
However, I doubt I will find myself in such a situation. The "victim" in this case actually went looking for trouble. He wanted to avenge a perceived insult to his manhood, and he threw the first punch. He did this in a crime ridden neighborhood where the man he hit was a member of the local gang that runs said neighborhood.
I like to think that I have enough common sense not to put myself in such a conflict in the first place.
I also agree that the mob mentality is such that a few shots will usually scatter the crowd. There's a reason they refer to a shotgun as a "riot gun". We're talking about a mob, not a squad of trained Marines.
I like the answer to the question in "Stand by me" - "You gonna shoot all of us with thing, kid?"
"No, Ace, just you!"
You aim at the one or two in the lead and the rest find someplace else to be.
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I'll give you an idea as to how I handled that same situation while working.
A crowd surronded me and told me they were going to beat my ass.
I drew my gun and told them, "I won't kill all of you, but I'll kill the first person who attacks me."
It appears no one wanted to be the martyr.
A crowd surronded me and told me they were going to beat my ass.
I drew my gun and told them, "I won't kill all of you, but I'll kill the first person who attacks me."
It appears no one wanted to be the martyr.
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I totally agree, IF confronted with such a situation, I would want all I could carry.
However, I also have a life to lead - 5 .357s in a j, in a pocket, no reloads. That's fine for me. If seven armed, highly motivated BGs attack me, I'll do the same thing you will do with your 900 rounds of ammo - shoot 1 or 2, then die bleeding in the street... Oh well...
jad0110
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Don't you understand? They can shoot down incoming projectiles like CIWS
!I do agree with you. A violent encounter is a two way street.
Supertac45
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I carry enough for a small war.
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