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Probably a carbon steel barrel. They bulge but don't normally split. Stainless barrels split...usually in two places...and most often at 3 and 9.

It never results in a catastrophic failure...aka kaboom...or at least I've never known of it to happen like that. Nothing much happens other than a pfft/hiss, followed by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot??? :D
 
So a 210 gr. LSWC with 7.2 gr. of Unique (where did you get that load?) and what ultra-light recoil spring weight do your notes recall for that "target" load? Are you sure the primer didn't expel the bullet into the barrel while the powder delayed then ignited and shoved your squib out leaving a nice bulge?
 
So a 210 gr. LSWC with 7.2 gr. of Unique (where did you get that load?) and what ultra-light recoil spring weight do your notes recall for that "target" load?

Where did I get the load? I worked it up. It was probably around 16,900 psi. Spring was probably16#. I didn't note a change for that day but some days I used 14# and some 18.5# depending on the loads I was shooting.

Are you sure the primer didn't expel the bullet into the barrel while the powder delayed then ignited and shoved your squib out leaving a nice bulge?

Pretty sure I would have noticed the delay, but not actually being inside the chamber, no, I'm not sure. But the the bulged area was really too short for one bullet to account for it.
 
By the way...7.2 grains is a mite hot. Try 6 grains with a 200-grain bullet. That's my go-to load for 200 and 230s. It produces about 890 fps with my home cast H&G #68 clones and is a close hardball approximation with cast 230s.
 
Kinda my point, Tuner. I know different strokes for different folks when it comes to loadings and springs AND combinations thereof but for someone who claims such detailed records and memory both seem a bit iffy in my book as is the practicality of an over-max load. Now I'm not one who feels the need to buy any factory ammo, load anything for hyper-velocity or run any firearm empty faster than I can reload the magazine so perhaps I'm out of touch.

If it can happen, I've never seen it. If it's feesable, I could sooner buy it with a lighter spring and a whole lotta strange circumstance. I won't say never, I will remain skeptical.
 
If it can happen, I've never seen it. I won't say never, I will remain skeptical.

Like you...when I heard about it, I was skeptical...until I actually watched a gun do it.

Quick story on that.

I was at a plate match at PHA by invitation for a couple of guys who were having issues with their pistols. A husband/wife team showed up with His'n'Hers matching Wilsons, and...when he heard me explaining a few things to another shooter...asked me about his wife's pistol doing squirrely ejection.

She was stepping up to run a pre-match warmup rack, and I stood to the right to watch the pistol run to see if I could catch what it was doing...so I was actually looking straight at the gun when it happened.

I heard the light report, and saw the slide cycle. The plate didn't fall and there was no strike in the berm. The case dribbled out, and I knew what had happened, but before I could get her attention...she pulled the trigger again. She never touched the slide.

The gun went: "pffft" and hissed as the gas escaped...and that was all she wrote.

The slide was in full battery, and the empty case was still in the chamber. The bulge was right behind the barrel bushing, and we could see the 3/9 split.

The guy said that he'd take it to Tommy Abernathy for repair, since he lived within 10 miles of his shop. Tommy died not long after that, but Jeff may remember it.
 
So how is it possible for a light load that leaves the barrel to not cycle the action while one too weak to exit does cycle? Oh and how is a 1911 delayed blowback?
 
practicality of an over-max load.

Skylerbone, the load is not "over-max". OTOH, that particular box of bullets were found to be over-weight. There were supposed to be 200gr and the load was based on that labeled weight. (I didn't mention that because what the bullet did not weigh was not a factor in the event.)

The max charge for the same bullet (at 200grns) in the current Lyman #49 is 7.5 grns. Still, even with 210grn bullets, the load is not over-max.
 
So how is it possible for a light load that leaves the barrel to not cycle the action while one too weak to exit does cycle?

I'll try to do this one more time. After a lot of head-scratchin' it's the only plausible explanation I can come up with. Like I said, I was skeptical my ownself...until I saw it happen. At that point, I was determined to figure out how it coould happen, and I gave it a lot of thought.

The 1911 is a short recoil operated pistol. The slide is driven backward, grabs the barrel by the lugs, and hauls it backward with it. At 1/10th inch of travel, the barrel starts to disengage from the slide. The bullet is gone and no longer exerting a forward drag on the barrel and resistance to the slide. (Here is the "delay" in the delayed blowback, incidentally.) At .200 inch...the lugs are clear. At .250-inch, the barrel is completely on the frame bed and the slide soldiers on by means of momentum conserved during that first 1/10th inch...while the bullet and slide were being accelerated by force.

Without the bullet's influence, it doesn't take all that much force to move the slide fast enough to give it the momentum that it needs...and it doesn't take all that much momentum to keep it moving after the bullet exits. You can hand-cycle it as fast as it moves when it's fired...or even faster.

If enough force was generated to drive the bullet halfway through the barrel, there was more than enough to drive the slide.

Go drop 7 grains of Bullseye into a case and top it off with a tuft of cotton...and fire it in a pistol to demonstrate just how little force is needed. I was able to drive one far enough to get the hammer to half-cock with 5 grains...and the gun had a 16-pound recoil spring and a 23-pound mainspring in it.

All the bullet has to do is keep moving long enough to keep the slide moving until the barrel drops. Once that happens, the bullet's location is irrelevant. It can be in the barrel or 20 miles downrange. Its influence on the system...its delay...is over.

Oh and how is a 1911 delayed blowback?

If you think about it, there's really very little difference between the straight blowback and the recoil operated. Both slides are "blown back" and both move because of recoil.

Recoil is nothing more than acceleration backward in response to a force applied between two objects. Force drives the bullet forward away from the breechblock...and it drives the breechblock backward away from the bullet. So...the "blowback" is recoil operated, too.

The main difference is in how the opening of the breech is delayed until pressures fall to safe levels. In the short recoil design, the barrel is tied to the slide for a short distance, with the mass of the slide and barrel...the springs...and the bullet's drag working together to impose the delay.

In the blowback, the slide moves independently of the barrel, and only its mass and the action spring keep the breech from opening too soon. That's why blowback pistols have such heavy springs or massive slides...and why recoil operated pistols have relatively light springs and slides. In the blowback, the spring has a dual purpose. To help delay the slide and to return it to battery. In the short recoil pistol, the spring's only real purpose is returning the slide to battery.
 
On to part 2 of your question:

So how is it possible for a light load that leaves the barrel to not cycle the action while one too weak to exit does cycle?

Because the bullet remained in the barrel long enough to maintain drag on the barrel and a delay on the slide.

In every squib I've seen, if the bullet exits the barrel, the slide short-cycles. In every one in which the bullet only just makes it past the chamber...it short cycles. Only the ones that drive it to or past the halfway point and stop do they cycle.

This is a phenomenon that requires just the right circumstances to work. If the bullet doesn't go quite far enough...or if it exits...the slide short cycles.
 
In the blowback, the slide moves independently of the barrel, and only its mass and the action spring keep the breech from opening too soon. That's why blowback pistols have such heavy springs or massive slides...and why recoil operated pistols have relatively light springs and slides. In the blowback, the spring has a dual purpose. To help delay the slide and to return it to battery. In the short recoil pistol, the spring's only real purpose is returning the slide to battery

You seem to be mistaking ME for the one who doesn't know the difference.
 
You seem to be mistaking ME for the one who doesn't know the difference.

Aha! Snark! Okay. I can do snark. I prefer to keep it out of a technical discussion...but occasionally, there are those who insist.

You're the one who doesn't seem to understand that the two pistols are almost identical in operation. Aside from the barrel and slide being held together and moving together for a very brief time in one...a variable mass slide if you will...and the slide moving independently in the other...there is no difference.

Both slides are driven backward by equal/opposite forces that are generated by expanding gases and pressure...or recoil, if you prefer. No?

Or does the cartridge somehow do something different when it's fired in different action types? If so...please explain exactly what changes.

OR...OR...are you of the belief that the barrel recoils and drives the slide backward like the piston in a gas-operated rifle? Tell me, do.

Nothin' but love, jf. Nothin' but love. :)
 
I'm constantly surprised that folks are confused at how semi-automatic handguns function.

Be they Tilt-barrel (1911,P35), Dropping Block (Beretta 92, P-38), Rotary (Beretta PX4), Roller Delayed (H&K P9S), Gas Delayed (H&K P7, Steyr GB) or Straight Blowback...they are all recoil operated. The difference is the point where the slide moves reward independent of the barrel and the mechanism used to cause that delay
 
Anyway...back to the topic.

The squib/cycle can and does happen. It's actually fairly common, but we don't hear about it because the bullet either doesn't move quite deep enough into the barrel to let the next round chamber...alerting the shooter...or the shooter isn't in the fast split mode, and notices the light report and recoil...which prompts him to investigate.

I was on hand for another instance in which I didn't see it happen, but the shooter...an officer with the Durham, NC police department...swore that the gun cycled. In this one, the bullet prevented the next chambering, and he executed two fast TRB drills when I finally yelled loud enough to stop him. I'd heard the primer go off...oddly enough, because I don't hear all that well...but I heard it.

Each drill drove the bullet a little deeper into the barrel. If one of the rounds that he was trying to chamber during the course of his clearance drill had set back into the case deep enough...and the ejected rounds were being set back...he'd have pulled the trigger and ruined his gun.

We knocked the lodged bullet out and carried on.

How's that old saying go...

"Any landing that you can walk away from is a good landing."
 
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