Am I the Only One That Doesn't Like the USP?

[avsecb2]

DUMB OR DUMBER

The NAME OF MY GUN IS HK USP45 "FULL SIZE" That means the whole gun is like REALLY BIG, get it? :banghead: . Not just the barrel.
If you want to argue with HK about their nomenclature (that means name) go for it - but if you do try to engage your brain before talking.

 

[BevrFevr]

Hey I feel left out!

Somebody please say that I am "dumb" for having an opinion too. I'm feeling left out. I thought being insulted here was my job.

 

[rellascout]

If you really think that you are clueless.

In fact H&K does not refer to it as full size. They simply refer to it as the HK USP. Don't believe me check for yourself.

http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/index.jsp?loc=101&SITEID=A&PartNumber=704501

As a matter of standard handgun terminology a full size refers to a gun with a barrel length of 4" or longer.

 

[pogo2]

They grow on you

I've had a full size USP 45 for about 6 years, and a USP 40c for about a year. I also have Sigs, Glocks, 1911s, revolvers, etc. When I first got the USP 45f I wasn't too sure that I liked it either, like the poster. It didn't seem to compare well to my 1911s in ergonomics and trigger action, and I couldn't shoot it as well as a 1911.

But I continued to shoot it at the range, mixed in with other guns, and I gradually got used to the grip and trigger, and slowly became more accurate with it. I also admired the reliability of the gun - it never choked on any type of ammo, unlike some 1911s I have known. At this point I can shoot the gun as well as a 1911, and would not part with it.

When I got the USP 40c I liked it from the start. It was just as accurate and reliable as the big 45 fullsize, but has a better trigger and smaller grip. I like the USP 40c much better than my Glock 23.

I would also advise the poster to not make a decision after 20 rounds through the gun, but to practice with it enough to get used to it.

 

[Greg Bell]

I like the USP. Great, reliable gun. I feel it is a little dated (ergos and rail), but it is still among the best. I have had many and the USP 45 compact is a wonderfully accurate, wonderfully portable gun.

I can't wait for the P30 and HK45.

P.S. The whole "bore-axis" thing is overblown. SIGs and HKs both suffer from this horrible malady, and both have won competitions in the hands of competent shooters. Bruce Gray has been able to compete with both, and has commented on how silly it is that so much is made of the bore-axis relationship.

The USP trigger is fine, and is certainly tuned more for combat than competition. That said, most of the problem is that folks used to Glocks and 1911s are going to groan about anything that isn't a Glock or 1911.

 

[kmrcstintn]

I am not a big fan of the USP family...price is the number one turnoff

I do like the capability of a H&K USP Variant 1 to be either cocked and locked or hammer down DA/SA

I can replicate this capability in 9mm or .40S&W in a polymer Browning Pro-9 or Pro-40 for $250-300 less than H&K and have interchangable backstraps to boot.

I can really get frugal and replicate the same capability in a Taurus copy of Beretta 92 (9mm) or 96 (.40S&W) and have the ergonomics like that of the Beretta to boot.

My favorite autoloaders are Beretta 92's. I've owned a few.

 

[kennyboy]

You are the only one...

"you are the weakest link. Goodbye." - The Weakest Link lol

 

[treebeard]

This thread is getting funny. Sometimes I feel left out because I don't like Glocks. Yes, I had one and it was not for me. I can also understand how someone could say the grip on an H&K is like a 2x4. Not every gun is right for an individual. The list of semi-autos I have tried is quite long (I have yet to try a Taurus though). Just be happy with what you have.

 

[rellascout]

This thread is getting funny. Sometimes I feel left out because I don't like Glocks. Yes, I had one and it was not for me. I can also understand how someone could say the grip on an H&K is like a 2x4. Not every gun is right for an individual. The list of semi-autos I have tried is quite long (I have yet to try a Taurus though). Just be happy with what you have.

I could not agree with you more. I had one did not like it. Fired about 100 rounds and held it over and over again. They are fine weapons. They are well made represent some of the finest handguns made. I can appreciate them but they are just not for me.

My issue is that someone is chastising people who are not "large" for purchasing a full sized handgun as if the USP was built for only Paul Bunyan. Honestly I cannot understand why I am the only person to find that statement ridiculous.

To all HK lovers I wish them well. Be safe shoot straight. I will stick with my Sigs, CZs and BHPs.

 

[Kestrel]

I would like to see how the grip feels on the HK45. It's supposed to be a better shape.

 

[odysseus]

Ahhh.... it's turning into one of "those" threads. When I saw this thread the first time, I sort of thought it would stir up some people out of the shadows. Certainly it is true, you usually hear mostly from people who dislike something than you do from those who do.

Sticky: No more "HATE" threads.
Johnny Guest

The USP is a quality piece, but it does have design issues that I can agree don't agree with some people. Common complaints are exactly like found here, the large double-stack grip and the long DA trigger. I have a DA/SA variant and I find the SA (mine is a fairly recent version- HK did tweak them) on mine just fine.

Funny thing is I don't find it useful for a carry gun practically (though some do), but I can really fire it very accurately and fast. For this reason it stays in the collection. YYMV.

I find the "high-bore" axis idea an interesting one too. For one, I have not found a bore high enough to cause me problems on these new handgun designs. I shall continue to look out for one that does...

 

[treebeard]

Just for kicks I ordered a Taurus stainless 24/7 with 17+1 capacity. It will be interesting to see how it shoots. I still love my H&K!!

 

[Shipwreck]

I love the compact USP - much better grip and a nice piece

 

[treebeard]

I did get the chance to fondle a compact .45, and it was REALLY NICE for sure. I liked it better than the full size. Maybe I will trade my full size for a compact. Now there's a thought!!!!

 

[bearmgc]

H&Ks and Sigs are not for me. I tried to like them, really did. But thank goodness there's so many other designs out there like 1911s, P99s, XDs and CZs.

 

[Squiggy]

hey treebeard, let us know how that taurus works out.

 

[Joe D]

The high bore axis thing is not over blown. I have shot Sigs, HKs and Glocks. There is a significant difference in muzzle flip between the Sigs and HKs vs. a Glock. I can afford to shoot any gun I choose in competition. Money is not the issue. Guns with a high bore axis are more difficult to shoot fast and accurately.

There is a reason Glocks and 1911s "own" IDPA and IPSC competitions.

 

[treebeard]

I believe you are correct with the high bore axis thing. I have noticed that while shooting my USP that I have to aim slightly higher than my other semi-auto's. Or, it could be because I am a **** and can't aim for squat! I will post a range report on the Taurus once I get it to the range. I need another room for all my guns now.

 

[david_the_greek]

Personally I don't like the USP i've handled. I rented a usp in 9mm and just didn't enjoy shooting it. I really disliked the grips and for some reason we didn't click. oh and the price tag kinda upsets me aswell but I guess they are well built so that comes into play (but so's my pcr at much less...... haha sorry had to poke it in there) I suppose with a little after market tinkering it would be a little more attractive to me (grips and such).