Aurora, CO Massacre

[Certaindeaf]

I try to eat that sweet, sweet buttery popped pop corn with my left hand. true story

 

[checkmyswag]

First thing I thought is why nobody shot back. Out of all those people nobody was packing? These types of things should make everyone want to exercise their rights.

I thought the same. Then thought, well, I'm lazy and often leave home without a gun or leave the gun in the car.

Buying a new holster for concealed carry, TODAY.

Hate reading about this and wish more the sheepdogs were around, armed and had the training, discipline and courage to return fire.

 

[CoRoMo]

Do signs carry force of law in Colorado?

Nope.

Handgunlaw.us says different, but the wording in our statutes does not hold the meaning that they interpret it does.

Correction. I just checked handgunlaw.us and they've reversed their previous interpretation of that statute's language.

So again, gun-buster signs have no legal weight behind them.

 

[X-Rap]

I posed this question in another thread but I will repeat it here, at what point in an active shooter scenario does one make a shot for what I will call the greater good and take the chance of a shoot through or miss that might hit a bystander? This is a moral decision but worth thinking about if you go in public armed.
Most of us have been in a theater at some time and can visualize the typical layout, personally I find it hard to believe someone didn't at least get a knife in him and that he made it to the parking lot.
There were adults in the theater and the news just said that 3 wounded were from Buckley AFB so given those numbers I have to believe there were many that had at least some training.

 

[Certaindeaf]

With the whole crowd climbing & running over you screaming?

You must be one a heck of a calm, cool, and collected pistol shot.



BTW: Latest reports say S&W AR-15, Rem 870, and two .40 Glocks.

rc

You're a pistol shot.. as you know, one tries to release a shot between heartbeats so I think it'd be safe to say a herd of meat jostling you would be easily discernible meaning hold the shot until it'd hit.

 

[JagerRanger]

It's beyond me how this sick massacre is 'our fault' and 'hurts our cause."

I'm with MtnSpur: "The important thing that the "pro 2A" folks can do is not get into heated, illogical and emotionally charged debates over this tragedy."

There is nothing 'we' can say to change the facts or the vicious attack on 'us' and the Second Amendment. I sure hope Breitbart is right and this loonie also was a Democrat.

I pray for the victims and their families. May the God bless them all during this horrible time.

Even a freaking foreigner calls for banning guns in America. Deport the idiot.

 

[SilentStalker]

OK, I am kind of curious as to what might have happened if this went a little differently. Like say someone in the crowd had been CCWing despite the signs, that person shot back at the perp and took him down. What would happen to the CCWing hero? Like would he lose his CCW permit because technically he disobeyed the rules considering the sign said no CCW or would they congratulate him on him taking down a perp? What would be the worst case scenario legally speaking?

 

[Creature]

The days of our cause being hurt by senseless massacres are over,IMO.

Judging by the comments I overheard in the office this morning, I would say this is most definitely not the case...

 

[CoRoMo]

...say someone in the crowd had been CCWing despite the signs...

...would he lose his CCW permit because technically he disobeyed the rules considering the sign said no CCW...

See post #28.

The signs hold no legal force.

 

[Mayvik]

From CNN:

[Updated 11:43 a.m. ET] A federal law enforcement source tells CNN's Susan Candiotti that the suspect had the following weapons: [1] A 12-gauge shotgun with a legal capacity of up to three shells. Shotguns like this can be modified to increase their capacity, the source said. [2] An "AK-47 style" assault rifle normally equipped with a magazine capable of firing up to 30 rounds of .223-caliber ammunition. It's not known whether it was an automatic or semi-automatic model. [3] Two handguns.

Pretty sure shotguns don't have a legal capacity of 3 shells.

 

[4v50 Gary]

The three shot capacity may be the hunting capacity of the gun in Colorado. Let's hear from a Coloradan who knows.

 

[X-Rap]

Yea 3 rds is the legal shotgun round count for hunting in CO.

 

[Tony_the_tiger]

I was in that theatre in march, and I was carrying legally.

There is really no point in playing what if's. From a defensive perspective, we are already at a disadvantage against an assailant. Facing off against a gunman with a rifle, shotgun, handguns, a vest, and a gas mask in a dark room full of panicking people and tear gas is a nightmare, period. What happened, happened. All else is speculation.

All we can do is pray for the victims and their families, and hope that such cowards that perpetrate senseless acts of violence receive their dues here on earth and elsewhere.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

If we can leave the speculation, politics and noise out of this thread, it may last a bit longer. Probably not much though.

Yes, legal capacity for a shotgun for hunting is three rounds in Colorado. No restrictions for other uses.

 

[Odd Job]

From a defensive perspective, we are already at a disadvantage against an assailant. Facing off against a gunman with a rifle, shotgun, handguns, a vest, and a gas mask in a dark room full of panicking people and tear gas is a nightmare, period.

I agree with this. It is a bad situation:

1) Low light
2) Smoke / tear gas
3) People running, screaming
4) Bodies on the ground, obstructions in the dark
5) Assailant has body armour
6) Cinema sound distraction

 

[SpringfieldArmoryXD]

Something doesn't add up..

Watching the Fox interview of chief in police. At first he states that the suspect was apprehended within "a minute to a minute and a half" of the first 911 call. Yet in that amount of time he shot 71 people??

Something doesn't add up..

 

[ronc0011]

It would be interesting to see statistic on gun sales after this event

If I'm not mistaken gun sales and gun ownership is at an all time high already.

 

[rcmodel]

Sure it does.

An AR-15, a Glock .40, and a pump shotgun.
A massed crowd jammed up at the theater exits.

Every bullet fired very likely hit more then one person.



BTW: Latest statement from the Aurora PD spokesman is the guy was wearing a kevlar helmet, a full TAC vest with throat & groin protector, leg armor, and a gas mask.

A CCW pistol wouldn't have had a chance of stopping him unless he was standing over you.

rc

 

[CoRoMo]

Hey ronc0011, welcome to THR. What brings ya by today?

...the suspect was apprehended within "a minute to a minute and a half" of the first 911 call. Yet in that amount of time he shot 71 people??

No, not in that amount of time. That amount of time began with the first 911 call, not with the first shot. Do we know how long after the shooting began it took for that first 911 call to happen? Because he obviously was shooting for much longer than that "minute to a minute and a half".

 

[Certaindeaf]

Watching the Fox interview of chief in police. At first he states that the suspect was apprehended within "a minute to a minute and a half" of the first 911 call. Yet in that amount of time he shot 71 people??

Something doesn't add up..

Cops were already there. They were there before and during the dustup.

 

[Old Dog Man]

RC I feal the same way about a wild crowd of people trying to escape the bad guy, you wouldn't have much of a chance to do anything but hide the best you could. By the way RC if you read this post e-mail me ([email protected]) I want to talk to you about testing our bullet seating guage. Al

 

[Tango57]

Cops were already there. They were there before and during the dustup.

Chief said were no off duty cops working the theater.......

I imagine the time lag was because the shooting started before people started dialing 911. Some idiot made a cellphone video instead of calling.

Body armor.... I carry 5.7 or 7.62 tokarev. At least it has a chance of penetrating.


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[ronc0011]

Was just watching Fox News and The police chief was giving a statement he said the shooter was wearing all sorts of body armor including leggings, helmet, and more returning fire would have been very risky it would have been very difficult to determine that the attacker was wearing body armor . OK I suppose if you could have gotten off a face on shot that would have worked. Personally My favorite pistol that I shoot is a Kimber Pro Carry Ten II, 45 ACP. This pistol will make 25cent holes all day long like 14 rnds in the same hole as fast as you can shoot em, but this is useless if you can't tell that your attacker is wearing body armor.

 

[CoRoMo]

Chief said wre no off duty cops working the theater.......

There's obviously way too much misinformation out there to possibly be discussing this effectively right now. I heard/read that there were two ON-DUTY officers present due to the crowd and time of the event; crowd control/security.

 

[MedWheeler]

SprinfieldArmoryXD writes:

Something doesn't add up..
Watching the Fox interview of chief in police. At first he states that the suspect was apprehended within "a minute to a minute and a half" of the first 911 call. Yet in that amount of time he shot 71 people??

Something doesn't add up..

I don't see the issue. You're starting the timer at the first 911 call, when it actually started earlier. I'd bet the first calls didn't come in until the callers were outside the theater. In the time it would take to get outside, fifty or more rounds could have been fired. The vast portion of the carnage, I'm sure, had already taken place.