I did in informal survey of the first 5 pictures I saw on 1911 forum and 3 had hammer down and 2 had the hammer back. I figured it'd be about half and half.I would question your premise. I see plenty of pictures of 1911's with the hammer down. And that's the way I have the hammer when I take pictures of my own guns.
Cheap Detective. Sid Ceasar as old man in wheelchair.
"SAO" is Fudd terminology.
I have noticed that most every picture I see of a 1911 the hammer is back. Why is this?
Now THAT is news to me; Rhino 'hammers' are tougher to cock than those on conventional revolvers. (I know it's not really the hammer, but an extension that enables single action fire).One currently in production is the Chiappa Rhino SAR models
Jar, the retaining clip, on the opposite side of the bolt assembly, popped loose when I field stripped mine the first time. It took my leather jaw vise, a screwdriver, and one almighty push, to wrestle it back into place. I looked online for guidance, and found nothing...yes, it's one bodacious spring.
It was their answer/workaround for stage with Safe Gun Rosters, but have a Loophole for SA revolvers (for concessions made to get support to pass the original bill). The SAO models are not subject to testing to be imported into the state.Thanks again; never knew such existed.
Good grief. "Oh, what a twisted web we weave...."It was their answer/workaround for states with Safe Gun Rosters, but have a Loophole for SA revolvers (for concessions made to get support to pass the original bill). The SAO models are not subject to testing to be imported into the state.
Chiappa offers a kit, purchased separately, of "repair" parts to restore the DA feature
The correct term is 'SA'. The only time it makes sense to add the 'O' is if you're talking about a pistol that would normally be SA/DA and has been altered so it isn't. Then you're emphasizing the 'O' because normally it would be unexpected in the design in question.What’s the hipster term?
While "SAO" bothers you, "SA/DA" bothers me.... would normally be SA/DA ...
While "SAO" bothers you, "SA/DA" bothers me.
I'm sure there may be some, but I can't think of a "SA/DA" gun that starts with the first shot being single action (SA), and subsequent shots are double action (DA). I also can't think of any company that uses "SA/DA" in their literature, though I suppose, there must be somebody that does. However, there are many guns that are "DA/SA" where the first shot is DA and subsequent shots are SA, and most companies that use those features on their guns use DA/SA in their company literature.
Fair enough, though at CZ-USA, they list their CZ75B trigger mechanism as DA/SA and sayCZ 75 B
www.czub.cz
"A modern version of one of the most famous pistols of all time. This all-steel, large-caliber SA | DA pistol with an external hammer still captivates users with its superb ergonomics and low trigger pull weight. The letter B stands for the automatic striker block, which improves drop safety."
Most CZ75's are carried hammer back safety on. In the case of a hard primer, you could keep pulling the DA trigger till that round goes off. Most would eject the dud round and try the next one.
The trademark CZ ergonomics and DA/SA action have made it the most copied handgun design second only to the 1911.
Fair enough, though at CZ-USA, they list their CZ75B trigger mechanism as DA/SA and say
CZ 75 B - CZ-USA
CZ 75 B is used by more governments, militaries, police and security agencies than any other pistol in the world.cz-usa.com
and on the other hand, Beretta lists their 92XI as "SAO"
92XI SAO
The Beretta 92XI SAO Pistol brings the long-awaited frame mounted safety to the standard Beretta 92 Pistol family of products. Learn more about the ergonomic enhancements to the Beretta 92XI Pistol.www.beretta.com
Still list the "trigger mech" as DA/SA, though.Countering your counterpoint: Here is the CZ USA description on the CZ75 SP01
CZ 75 SP-01 - CZ-USA
The CZ 75 SP-01 is the first full size handgun from CZ to feature the improved manufacturing technology and ergonomics of the NATO-approved CZ 75 Compact P-01 model.cz-usa.com
"The CZ 75 SP-01 is the first full size handgun (4.6” bbl) from CZ to feature the improved manufacturing technology and ergonomics of the NATO-approved CZ 75 Compact P-01 model. Featuring an integral 1913 accessory rail on the dust cover, rubber grip panels, and CZ’s corrosion resistant black polycoat finish, the SP-01 is the newest model to join the family of pistols based on the CZ 75 (SA/DA) platform. Borrowing from the improved grip geometry of the compact P-01, the SP-01 utilizes an extended beavertail to protect shooter’s strong hand as well as allowing for a deeper and more secure grip. The new grip geometry, checkering in key areas on the front and back straps, and redistribution of mass provided by the accessory rail noticeably decrease the perceived recoil from previous models and allows for more rapid target acquisition and transition."
Still list the "trigger mech" as DA/SA, though.
It doesn't bother me. I commented in response to two other posts because I don't think its use warrants disparagement of those who do use it and I also don't think its use is really needed except in a rather unusual case.While "SAO" bothers you, "SA/DA" bothers me.
Interesting. I'd never considered the designation as being an indicator of the order of the function and have always thought of the term 'SA/DA' as being completely interchangeable with the designation 'DA/SA'. Googling both terms indicates that they both return about the same number of hits which would support the idea that they are usually considered interchangeable.I'm sure there may be some, but I can't think of a "SA/DA" gun that starts with the first shot being single action (SA), and subsequent shots are double action (DA).
We have too much free time. Probably should use it more wisely getting firearms training or something.Well we have the spelling police, the grammar police and the terminology police. It seems like a silly way to spend time on a discussion forum disparaging people when the intended meaning is crystal clear.
I thought it had been already answered...maybe a little too subtlySo for the answer to my original question is "IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE" Which is what I wanted answered in my original Post. Thanks to all who answered and stated it was a Safety Concern!!
Just to carry on, it is FUD, (one ‘D’) an internet acronym for "fear, uncertainty and doubt", which really doesn’t apply in the original citation.SAO is a harmless redundancy. Looking up Fudd online says it refers to Elmer Fudd, who I thought was this cartoonl farmer/rancher who used his shotgun to ward off tresspassers, but I have not watched that cartoon in about 50 years so my memory may be way off. Urban dictionary says Fudd is someone who thinks guns are only for hunting and does not understand the 2nd Amendment. Not sure then, what Fudd has to do with a redundant classification of a gun's action.