Autoloader vs Revolvers...

[WestTexShooter]

Funny but this issue has somewhat crystallized for me while at the range today.

I enjoy both semi & wheelies, but while shooting today (my G23) it really dawned on me how much I hate picking up brass at the range. What is even worse is if I don't pick it up, the range forces the shooter to sweep it forward downrange.

What am I - their custodian but I am paying them? It is like getting a motel room and being forced to clean the room yourself !

Part of this is old age. But I think the 3", .357 wheelies are going to reappear in these parts.

 

[Obturation]

Funny but this issue has somewhat crystallized for me while at the range today.

I enjoy both semi & wheelies, but while shooting today (my G23) it really dawned on me how much I hate picking up brass at the range. What is even worse is if I don't pick it up, the range forces the shooter to sweep it forward downrange.

What am I - their custodian but I am paying them? It is like getting a motel room and being forced to clean the room yourself !

Part of this is old age. But I think the 3", .357 wheelies are going to reappear in these parts.

& they're selling your abandoned brass!

 

[Sneakshot92]

I like shooting revolvers and carrying semis. So, both.
If I had to leave one design behind forever it would be bye bye bottom feeders.

Same here. With one exception.
I've ran 1200 rounds of aluminum case Federal 230gr ball (that's what's in the mags in the pic) over 3 shooting sessions without a single failure. The original owner had 200 failure free rounds of the same stuff through it before I bought it. I must have gotten lucky.

 

[MaxP]

Those who proclaimed to be "gun experts" are certainly are not and are yelling out of their arses. Like most computer magazines, the vast majority of firearm rags only exist to provide marketing (Lying out of Arse) for convincing readers to buy whatever they writing about...

That’s never been my MO, and I find it sad that so many are so cynical. There are certainly those in the industry that fit that description perfectly, but there are many who are ethical in their writing as well.

 

[murf]

run what ya brung. as someone has already posted, i like em both.

happy shootin,

murf

 

[murf]

That just might beat out function checking a loaded revolver for the most grossly negligent thing I've read here so far.

if the gun had a holster wrapped around it would you feel better about the situation? i'm not being facetious here.

i think any "bed stand" handgun should be in a holster. when one is wakened in the middle of the night, the extra thought process of pulling the handgun out of the holster will "wake you up" and lift the fog of sleepiness (hopefully).

luck,

murf

 

[Sneakshot92]

if the gun had a holster wrapped around it would you feel better about the situation? i'm not being facetious here.

i think any "bed stand" handgun should be in a holster. when one is wakened in the middle of the night, the extra thought process of pulling the handgun out of the holster will "wake you up" and lift the fog of sleepiness (hopefully).

luck,

murf

That's why my R1 Carry shown in a previous post is in an identical holster attached overhead on the bedpost at night. If the need arises just reach up and my thumb undoes the snap and there she is. Cocked, locked and ready to rock!
I suppose I should say that I'm presently without a significant other, otherwise it would be in the drawer of the nightstand.

 

[whm1974]

That's why my R1 Carry shown in a previous post is in an identical holster attached overhead on the bedpost at night. If the need arises just reach up and my thumb undoes the snap and there she is. Cocked, locked and ready to rock!
I suppose I should say that I'm presently without a significant other, otherwise it would be in the drawer of the nightstand.

I don't see why that would be a problem if you did have a SO living with you. If I had one, my SO will have their own.

Personally I sleep with said gun under pillow as long as said gun is Double action or (Hammer)Double Action Only(DAO).

 

[Sneakshot92]

I don't see why that would be a problem if you did have a SO living with you. If I had one, my SO will have their own.

Personally I sleep with said gun under pillow as long as said gun is Double action or (Hammer)Double Action Only(DAO).

I didn't have 2 of my 3 handguns when I had the last significant other. She didn't mind me keeping my gun handy, but then again I don't leave it in plain sight unless it was on my hip for the first couple months. Had to let her get used to the idea that I kept a gun on me before she was okay with one laying open on the nightstand/coffee table etc.

 

[bdickens]

if the gun had a holster wrapped around it would you feel better about the situation? i'm not being facetious here.

i think any "bed stand" handgun should be in a holster. when one is wakened in the middle of the night, the extra thought process of pulling the handgun out of the holster will "wake you up" and lift the fog of sleepiness (hopefully).

luck,

murf

What direction is it going to be facing when you reach for it? If it's still even there?

 

[Armored farmer]

I agree that training is important. I sought training, and I was greatly rewarded by what I learned. I'm looking forward to more classes.
I am, however, suspicious that a great deal of training is focused towards overcoming the weaknesses [putting crash helmet on]....of the 9mm.

 

[Kleanbore]

I sought training, and I was greatly rewarded by what I learned. I'm looking forward to more classes.
I am, however, suspicious that a great deal of training is focused towards overcoming the weaknesses [putting crash helmet on]....of the 9mm.

How do you surmise that your training might have been different had it been focussed on the use of other calibers?

 

[Armored farmer]

How do you surmise that your training might have been different had it been focussed on the use of other calibers?

First off , a disclaimer...I'm not trolling for a caliber war, I just thought that in my training courses, there was considerable focus on double-taps, triple taps, and failure drills. All worthy drills, but best suited for a high cap pistol.
I'm not convinced that the doubles, triples, failures, and zippers are as easy, or as necessary with a .45acp.
Maybe? I dunno.
The courses I took would have been brutal for a guy armed with a 5shot snub.

 

[Kleanbore]

there was considerable focus on double-taps, triple taps, and failure drills. All worthy drills, but best suited for a high cap pistol.

Yes, they are. Mine holds nine.

I'm not convinced that the doubles, triples, failures, and zippers are as easy, or as necessary with a .45acp

As easy? No.

However, there is little objective basis to question the comparative necessity.

The courses I took would have been brutal for a guy armed with a 5shot snub.

That's why most trainers do not recommend bring ing them, and it's why most people who have availed themselves of training do not use them for primary carry.

 

[Armored farmer]

[QUOTE="Kleanbore, post:
That's why most trainers do not recommend bring ing them, and it's why most people who have availed themselves of training do not use them[5 shot snubs] for primary carry.


I can agree, however, this thread indicates that among THR members...revolvers are preferred over automatics 63:62, or essentially 1:1

 

[boom boom]

I like snubbies and have put in the time to shoot them well and reload them. But, due to medical issues, I simply cannot operate, reload, and manage them as well as a single stack 9mm slimline now for carry purposes. Concealability, recoil, and weight are about even but with reduced hand function, it is easier to operate a semi-auto and much easier to reload one.

For home defense or a nighttime walk the dog on my property, I have both and can use both but my semi-autos are more or less without distractions--DAO only--use a third gen S&W for that in 9mm (fairly uncommon alloy frame model 5744) and I shoot revolvers in the same way--so my wife gets the revolver because she can shoot it very well and I have the hi-cap S&W. Concealability is not as much an issue there and then.

 

[boom boom]

Oh, I am familiarizing myself with a PX4 Storm compact (not the sub compact) which has the rotary barrel action, I changed it to decocker only which is easy for these and reduces the massive wings on the safety equipped models with the lower profile decocker lever.

These are under rated as far as I am concerned and great for the recoil shy with the rotary action changing and seemingly reducing the recoil impulse quite a bit even on hot 9mm rounds. But I have not had time to wring it out.

My favorite range firearm remains the BHP but I simply do not want to carry cocked and locked plus it is heavy and large. It is also old and I treat it gently so I only use regular pressure 9mm loads in it. I like 1911's too, but would not carry one for the same reason. Fun range toy, not so much to carry or run one for self defense. If I wanted 45 ACP, I would simply use a Springfield XD which I carried awhile back. Shot about as accurate stock as a gussied up 1911 but had the attractiveness of a Glock Block.

 

[murf]

What direction is it going to be facing when you reach for it? If it's still even there?

it is in a holster, so it really doesn't matter.

murf

 

[Ernie Bass]

Yes, they are. Mine holds nine.

As easy? No.

However, there is little objective basis to question the comparative necessity.

That's why most trainers do not recommend bring ing them, and it's why most people who have availed themselves of training do not use them for primary carry.

I have taken numerous training classes over the many years. Yes, the majority have been with semi-auto's. That said, I took a snubbie class as well a few years ago. Very enjoyable. I like shooting the Snubbie. Just a fun gun to shoot and I carry one as well as a number of others I know that come from many different backgrounds with quite a bit of solid experience. Yes, people will shoot competition, etc, but many will also carry a 5 shot snubbie. I was just reading about one highly competitive shooter that does. In today's world, people carry a variety of firearms for many different reasons. I know some on this forum will disparage the 5 shot snubbie, but that is their choice but not for all. And yes, I have many EDC guns that are semi auto's. But the Snubbie sure is fun and convenient and I shoot it well. You can argue about calibers, size, round count all day, but the truth is very knowledable and skilled shooters do in fact carry the Snubbie.
Here is a good example of a training class and short article.

"I have a confession to make: I am a revolver guy."

"Or more likely, you take your Glock 17 out to the range and to classes, but you really carry a snubnose revolver in your everyday life? Lots of people rely on a five-shot .38 Special for everyday protection, even if some of them don’t want to admit it. Snubby revolvers may not be “tacti-cool,” but they can be very serious defensive tools."

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/snubby-school-training-with-the-wheel-gun/

 

[whm1974]

I have and numerous training classes over the many years. Yes, the majority have been with semi-auto's. That said, I took a snubbie class as well a few years ago. Very enjoyable. I like shooting the Snubbie. Just a fun gun to shoot and I carry one as well as a number of others I know that come from many different backgrounds with quite a bit of solid experience. Yes, people will shoot competition, etc, but many will also carry a 5 shot snubbie. I was just reading about one highly competitive shooter that does. In today's world, people carry a variety of firearms for many different reasons. I know some on this forum will disparage the 5 shot snubbie, but that is their choice but not for all. And yes, I have many EDC guns that are semi auto's. But the Snubbie sure is fun and convenient and I shoot it well. You can argue about calibers, size, round count all day, but the truth is very knowable and skilled shooters do in fact carry the Snubbie.
Here is a good example of a training class and short article.

"I have a confession to make: I am a revolver guy."

"Or more likely, you take your Glock 17 out to the range and to classes, but you really carry a snubnose revolver in your everyday life? Lots of people rely on a five-shot .38 Special for everyday protection, even if some of them don’t want to admit it. Snubby revolvers may not be “tacti-cool,” but they can be very serious defensive tools."

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/snubby-school-training-with-the-wheel-gun/

Hear!!! Hear!!!

 

[FFGColorado]

Funny but this issue has somewhat crystallized for me while at the range today.

I enjoy both semi & wheelies, but while shooting today (my G23) it really dawned on me how much I hate picking up brass at the range. What is even worse is if I don't pick it up, the range forces the shooter to sweep it forward downrange.

What am I - their custodian but I am paying them? It is like getting a motel room and being forced to clean the room yourself !

Part of this is old age. But I think the 3", .357 wheelies are going to reappear in these parts.

Pretty funny. The RCO at one range I go to 'sweeps' the brass forward or out of the way all the time..The other asks if the shooter will be leaving their brass, and gives a small discount on the range time.

Sounds like ya need a new range.

 

[Kleanbore]

But the Snubbie sure is fun and convenient and I shoot it well.

I would not include "fun" on the list of desired performance parameters for a defensive firearm.

I bought a 642 because it seemed to be "convenient". My Ruger SR 9c was no larger, it had higher capacity, and a much better trigger and grip.

Lots of people rely on a five-shot .38 Special for everyday protection, even if some of them don’t want to admit it.

I wonder how many of them would have chosen them had equivalent six shot models been available....

 

[mcb]

I would not include "fun" on the list of desired performance parameters for a defensive firearm.

I bought a 642 because it seemed to be "convenient". My Ruger SR 9c was no larger, it had higher capacity, and a much better trigger and grip.

I wonder how many of them would have chosen them had equivalent six shot models been available....

Why not consider fun? If it's fun you will shoot it more and you will thus be more proficient with it. My 442 is not as fun to shoot as my bigger revolvers but I still enjoy shooting it. Once in a blue moon I even shoot an IDPA match in BUG-R division just to keep things "real". I would never CCW a handgun I disliked shooting. YMMV

 

[Choctaw]

I like guns

Don't be ridiculous. You must have a reason to like certain guns and be prepared to argue to the death to defend that reason.

I can think of few pleasures as sweet as a day spent in the pasture shooting targets with various guns simply because I can do so. Not every gun I own must be for concealed carry, imaginary combat or hunting. Some guns I own are just plain fun.

For work and off duty I carry a Glock 35 but I love revolvers. Soooo, no preference.

 

[Kleanbore]

I would never CCW a handgun I disliked shooting.

Nor would I.

But I would not put "fun" among the requirements.

Reliable, shootable, comfortable to carry, adequate in terms of capacity, safe, effective cartridge, yes. "Fun"? No.

A gun is a tool, Marian.

Except of course for ...

Not every gun I own must be for concealed carry, imaginary combat or hunting. Some guns I own are just plain fun.