Bad Winchester Ammo

[WheelGunMan]

It Is not in the nature of Corporations to admit failure. I do recommend reading the book

The Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power

The author makes the case that you can model the personality of a Corporation as a human psychopath. Human psychopaths are grandiose, self centered, lie without guilt or shame, have no guilt or shame, and never admit fault. The problems they create are always someone else’s fault. The thing is, since psychopaths think they are the best that has ever been, or every will be, failure chips away at that self delusion of awesome perfectness.

It is a good model, and something else to know, you can only have a master slave relationship with a psychopath. If you are negotiating, they know you are weak.

Winchester wants you as a repeat customers, so you might get a free box of ammunition to replace the bad, but understand, they won’t admit fault. And, don’t try to get them to admit fault. Play the part of a fanatical, ideologically loyal customer who can’t believe that this bad ammunition somehow made it out the door of their perfect factory.

When the free ammo was offered...my response was "Why would I want more of the same problems?" and refused a free box of ammo. Haven't purchased any Winchester ammo since. I have other older Winchester ammo in 9MM and .38Spcl that has been fine but am learyof buying any more.

 

[DustyGmt]

I have some cases of Winchester Q3131 5.56 and every case has the same strange crimp. I showed a picture of it from one of the first threads I started here about 5+ years ago and I believe most said it was fine. It shoots fine so I guess it is. It's just not a normal, uniform crimp, it has like 4 raised points and I vaguely recall somebody referring to it as a star crimp maybe but it just sort of bugged me anyway because it didn't look consistent and the crimps were very sloppy looking, pretty big variation in the location of the crimps and some of the points were more pronounced than the others.

I have had some trouble with Winchester white box 9mm in my glocks in 115gr weights along with Blazer Brass in 124gr. They are both notorious for making brass either just drool out of the port (weak ejection) or shoot the brass straight back into face.

 

[daniel craig]

Huge demand and increased production almost always leads to poor Qc. Especially in labor shortages.

 

[gobsauce]

Only issue I've ever had with Winchester, a single round of 7.62x39 was nothing but brass and primer. Called, and offered to send me a new box. I declined, and asked them if instead they could send a box of .22 LR to the boyscouts.

 

[buck460XVR]

When the free ammo was offered...my response was "Why would I want more of the same problems?" and refused a free box of ammo.

What did you have to lose? Most .22 RF ammo, regardless of manufacturer, is iffy at best. One reason most of us finds a brand that works well for us, in our particular firearm and stick with it. With the government contract to run the L.C. plant, Winchester has become the number 1 small caliber ammunition enterprise in the world. Over the half century I have been into the shooting sports I have seen some poor products put out by all of the major ammo producers. Same goes for reloading components. Hard to produce the quantities they do without a bad one once in a while. High demand combined with a work force with poor work ethics and one can and should expect quality to go down. I can say the same about most everything else I buy anymore. Customer service after the sale, when there is an issue, is what determines if I give up on a product or not. Winchester ammo is my go to ammo for Turkey and Pheasant. Only factory ammo I buy anymore.

 

[WheelGunMan]

What did you have to lose? Most .22 RF ammo, regardless of manufacturer, is iffy at best. One reason most of us finds a brand that works well for us, in our particular firearm and stick with it. With the government contract to run the L.C. plant, Winchester has become the number 1 small caliber ammunition enterprise in the world. Over the half century I have been into the shooting sports I have seen some poor products put out by all of the major ammo producers. Same goes for reloading components. Hard to produce the quantities they do without a bad one once in a while. High demand combined with a work force with poor work ethics and one can and should expect quality to go down. I can say the same about most everything else I buy anymore. Customer service after the sale, when there is an issue, is what determines if I give up on a product or not. Winchester ammo is my go to ammo for Turkey and Pheasant. Only factory ammo I buy anymore.

What I had to lose was the grief and the time spent dislodging junk ammo from my guns cylinder..and for what... to gain a few pennies worth of free rounds? I'd rather buy ammo that shoots readily in my gun and they can put the junk stuff they sell where the sun don't shine.

 

[Scooter22]

Is there a chance anti-gun spy’s could be infiltrating the plants and planting dangerous ammo in the boxes before they ship?

That might not be a stretch. All we need is a bunch of "Woke" employees making substandard crap to further damage the firearm industry. If they get fired or laid off back to unemployment and vid games of the couch. Part of their work plan.

 

[DustyGmt]

I'll buy pretty much anything for range ammo, as long as it isn't jamming up my gun or bad/erratic ejection, unacceptable dud count, etc... Winchester is usually good to go for me.