Mike1234567
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^^^ Why wouldn't you count the USA-made parts in the rifle mags? That's three foreign parts out of the equation.
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Tantal AK-74
I bought a tantal sporter by century arms ak-74 5.39 with side folding stock
it has the usual fire and safe lever but on the other side of the rifle there is a sellection lever C.P.S. it looks like they redrilled the pin and moved the selector switch and repined it. How much of a change did they make on this rifle. and was it at one time full auto and 3 burst.
I bought a tantal sporter by century arms ak-74 5.39 with side folding stock
it has the usual fire and safe lever but on the other side of the rifle there is a sellection lever C.P.S. it looks like they redrilled the pin and moved the selector switch and repined it. How much of a change did they make on this rifle. and was it at one time full auto and 3 burst.
Rob G
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I can think of two reasons.
#1 Most of the AK mags out there are foreign made. By using the mags for compliance you're really cutting down on the availablity of mags for your gun.
#2 US made AK mags are not nearly as good as foreign made ones. For starters I don't think I've seen a US made mag yet that had a metal locking lug. This is really important on an AK mag. I've seen lots of tapco and pmags at the range with the plastic locking lug snapped off. They don't tend to work well after that.
I guess what I'm saying is I've never seen an AK with a US made stock set, fcg, muzzle break, etc. have functioning issues related to those parts. But I've seen a lot of AKs with US made mags that just didn't want to run right.
I wrote "wouldn't count on", not "wouldn't count." I could have used a better word choice I suppose, such as rely on. What I mean is I would not rely on having to use US mags for compliance. One could do it and be legal, however, one is severely limiting what mags can be used and is precluding both the best available mags (IMHO) as well as the most economical mags that are still really worth having. About the only decent US mag is US palms and they are $30 ish. I personally believe that Bulgarian waffle circle 10 mags are better than the US palm mags and if I was going to pay around $30 it would be for those. One can get quality foreign steel mags for $10.
1fromtheparapet
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AK Platform M10-762
Only took 1 picture. Sorry. New toy and bag full of ammo. One track mind. This is new right out of the box after 60 or 90 rounds, letting the barrel chill out a bit. Picked it up, basic function check, and drove straight to the club. Haven't fired a military platform rifle of any kind (save my old Springfield Trapdoor
) since M16 training in basic in '76—I really liked that weapon but got away from firearms for a while. IMHO the M10-762 was very tight with smooth operation. Popping 12oz soda cans at 100yds+ open sighted after one mag and I'm really not all that good. Had a couple cases and a bunch of 2liters, too. Needed neither the 870 nor the Glock for close up clean up for what I missed—got 'em all!
Yup, I like it. I want more...
Only took 1 picture. Sorry. New toy and bag full of ammo. One track mind. This is new right out of the box after 60 or 90 rounds, letting the barrel chill out a bit. Picked it up, basic function check, and drove straight to the club. Haven't fired a military platform rifle of any kind (save my old Springfield Trapdoor
) since M16 training in basic in '76—I really liked that weapon but got away from firearms for a while. IMHO the M10-762 was very tight with smooth operation. Popping 12oz soda cans at 100yds+ open sighted after one mag and I'm really not all that good. Had a couple cases and a bunch of 2liters, too. Needed neither the 870 nor the Glock for close up clean up for what I missed—got 'em all! Yup, I like it. I want more...
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Ranger30-06
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Only took 1 picture. Sorry. New toy and bag full of ammo. One track mind. This is new right out of the box after 60 or 90 rounds, letting the barrel chill out a bit. Picked it up, basic function check, and drove straight to the club. Haven't fired a military platform rifle of any kind (save my old Springfield Trapdoor
Yup, I like it. I want more...
That is fantastic my friend! At least you see the real accuracy measure in your shooting: minute-of-bad-guy! Have fun with your new lifelong friend and get good with it! When you do, go try some 3-gun competitions; you'll drive a couple "AR's only" guys nuts
1fromtheparapet
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sent with a mission
THANKS! The little club I joined last year holds a 3-gun about every other month. I'll tell 'em you sent me
THANKS! The little club I joined last year holds a 3-gun about every other month. I'll tell 'em you sent me
1fromtheparapet
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And I like the MOBG method of measurement
Sam Cade
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That is normal. Tantals have a left side thumb selector to counter the terrible control location on a standard AK.
I'm not sure how century jiggers them to work.
No. It was originally built in a semi-auto configuration.
1fromtheparapet
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And thanks again nwilliams for the good word on the M10-762. I LIKE it.
FIVETWOSEVEN
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It's not the accuracy that bogs down AKs in 3 gun as they are certainly good enough but the controls are slower to use. How many professional competitors that are world champions use AKs? How many use ARs?
1fromtheparapet
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Too many university tuition bills and wedding(s) to finance yet to spring for all the world champ fixin’s
I'll settle for weekend warrior and disaster preparedness status and leave the gold medals for y’all!1fromtheparapet congrats on an excellent choice over the saiga. just came from aimsurplus and they have sold out again for the 3rd time of the new m10, i must say m+m did a good job on puting together a rifle that we like a good price, thank god theres other good choices out there other than saiga/
heres my m10
heres my m10
FIVETWOSEVEN
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You can build an AR 15 for less than $600 which is about the same price as a good AK.
Rob G
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Subtract wedding(s) from that and you've got my situation as well. I feel you on the money thing.
Aww yes but can you feed it for the same price? I can buy 1080 round spam cans of 5.45 for my '74 for around $120+ shipping. The cheapest 5.56 I've seen recently was about $110+ shipping for 500 rounds and it was cheap steel cased stuff that sent 2 out of the 3 ARs we had at our last range day to the gunsmith to have the chambers pried open to extract jammed cases. ARs may have come down in price but the ammo's still up there.
1fromtheparapet
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(Actually meant as response to RobG but could figure out how to delete. But info on mags still good to know ;-])--
Just got back from a weekend visit of the one at campus and the wedding gown was just ordered for the other. It's pricey but all worth it. Just bought momma a new car and I picked up a low miles Crown Vic P71 at the local city rolling auction some months back. Hoping to exchange my faithful old leaky Caprice Classic for a few more shooting items before I give up the gun show ghost for a while :-]
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1fromtheparapet
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I've been hearing and seeing that lately as well the fact that they're easier to work on than I'd thought. And I do like the AR platform. Back in basic in the 70's I really fell in love with the M16. Still may get an AR someday. AR mods, tools, and accessories are quite numerous and varied but they are generally, though not always, pretty expensive. I just like the simplicity and durability of the AK. Actually, what I'd REALLY like is a SOCOM 16. That'll have to wait until the baby is finished college or grad school, some 3-4 years out yet (at least)!
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1fromtheparapet
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And yes, the "cuisine" issue was a factor, too! I like popping soda bottles just a tad more than working on MOA (and as has been said here, "Minute of Bad Guy" is a factor, too). That's why I favor the 9mm over the .45ACP and .40 S&W. I do love them all and shoot them but when I do my regular weekly volume it's a cheap date niner that gets the regular attention. Everyone has their own doctrines of inspiration, I guess, as well as bottom line requirements. Not always as much a better-and-worse thing as it is just difference of preference and priorities (and tax brackets). I love ‘em all—just can’t have ‘em all.
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1fromtheparapet
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Ifit, thanks. I like it and much satified with the decision so far. Yours is very pretty and looks a lot like an original AK. Tell me, does most of the standard AK stuff fit?1fromtheparapet congrats on an excellent choice over the saiga. just came from aimsurplus and they have sold out again for the 3rd time of the new m10, i must say m+m did a good job on puting together a rifle that we like a good price, thank god theres other good choices out there other than saiga/
heres my m10
1fromtheparapet
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IDK where you can get one nicely furnitured like the one pictured in my last post. Have wait for the owner, ifit, to answer that one. You can get the M10-762 from Classic Arms (dot com) for about 500 bucks. It's pretty nice and made from all new parts and materials. Looks like this:
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most ak furniture and accessories should fit, the bakelite upper and lower hg, i purchased from copes distributing, its originally bulgarian type furniture. just a heads up the lower hg fits fine, but the upper hg is so loose it gets really annoying, you may have to modify some how to fit snug.
atti mac, the model is called m+m inc. m10, they have the side folders/fixed stock. the sidefolders are gettin harder to come by as they are only so many imported as compared to the fixed stock. if you can find a sidefolder it should fit as long its for a stamped akm type rreceiver.
atti mac, the model is called m+m inc. m10, they have the side folders/fixed stock. the sidefolders are gettin harder to come by as they are only so many imported as compared to the fixed stock. if you can find a sidefolder it should fit as long its for a stamped akm type rreceiver.
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I'm getting an AK 74 myself because of the cheap ammo but that's only with surplus ammo. New Manufacture Wolf Ammo is roughly the same price as .223 and 7.62 x 39. Some AR 15s just don't like Steel Cased ammo but my understanding is that AR 15s with mil spec chambers are fine.
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