Best DAO hammer fired autoloaders

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SteadyD said:
I own a Pico and it is reliable with Hydra Shoks. After putting on the night sights I shoot it low consistently. I haven’t got around to switching them back but plan to. At around 800 rounds the tab on that retains the trigger spring broke on mine.
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What are the heights on your night sites? Just swapped mine and have not gotten to the range yet.
 
jar said:
What are the heights on your night sites? Just swapped mine and have not gotten to the range yet.
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I don’t have a set of calipers to give a reliable measurement, unfortunately.
 
Again, they are out of production but the Beretta mini cougar D or Stoeger (same gun) compact 8000 series D model have excellent triggers. They can still be found for very good prices and parts are readily available. I carry a Beretta cougar mini 8040 daily. Yes they have a alloy frame but that and the rotating barrel really dampen recoil.
 
460Shooter said:
I know it's bigger than desired but I really like my P30SK with a LEM trigger.
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I’ve seen several listings of this model on gunbroker and they say it is striker fired. So they also make a striker fired version or are these not properly listed?
 
SteadyD said:
I’ve seen several listings of this model on gunbroker and they say it is striker fired. So they also make a striker fired version or are these not properly listed?
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Improper listing.

P30SK with a LEM trigger is a DAO hammer fired gun.

VP9 is striker fired.
 
SteadyD said:
Hey Gents, I don't have much experience with DAO hammer fired autoloaders and would like some recommendations on what to look at. Preferably small guns in the subcompact size or even pocket guns. Thanks as always!

Edited to add: I'd like something with a similar feel to a revolver.
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Not new-manufactured gear much fits your requirements.

Kel-Tec P32 .32ACP is a good pocket DAO pistol, but not hammer fired.

Kel-Tec P-11 9mm is super light, and meets the requirements, but no thing of beauty.

The S&W 3rd Gen semi-autos in sub-compact config were available in DAO, IIRC. Nothing wrong with one of those.
 
The LEM HKs are interesting because they have the weight savings of a polymer framed gun but I don’t like how the trigger is so light. I think I’d prefer the additional take up found in the DAK design, but they are much heavier guns because of the frame material. I wish the p250 was still widely available.

I’m tempted to get a NOS p224 but I’m hesitant to get a gun that’s no longer in production. If it needs repairs or warranty work at some point, will parts be available for a gun with such a short production period?

I guess I’m wanting a gun that just isn’t current production... this search has been somewhat frustrating.
 
SteadyD said:
The LEM HKs are interesting because they have the weight savings of a polymer framed gun but I don’t like how the trigger is so light. I think I’d prefer the additional take up found in the DAK design, but they are much heavier guns because of the frame material. I wish the p250 was still widely available.
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I believe the LEM models by HK are available in different trigger weights by mixing different springs.
 
JTQ said:
I think his point is Beretta makes a "C" model (constant action) and a "D" model (double action only) that don't have the "ears" (safety/decocker). They have no controls on the slide, a slick slide, if you will, like a Glock. However, as he mentioned, the "Compact" model and "Sub-Compact" model don't appear to be available as "C" or "D" models, just the full size guns.

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-full/

Beretta also offers low profile "Stealth" levers for the PX4.

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-safety-low-prof-type-g-mfg/c89169/
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I can’t seem to find the type D model (DAO) in 9mm anywhere.
 
SteadyD said:
I can’t seem to find the type D model (DAO) in 9mm anywhere.
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It may not be on the shelves, but Beretta still lists it in their catalog.

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-full/

I'll admit, I'm not sure if I've ever seen a PX4 "D" in the wild. I have seen a "C" though. One of my local gun shops has had the same one on the shelf for the past couple of years, though I think it is in .40 S&W. I have been tempted, even though it's a gun I don't have a use for, but they still have it priced up near (though not quite) $600. If it were $100 or so less expensive, I might pick it up just for the heck of it.

If you're looking for a Compact, I don't think the Compact versions have ever been offered in in "D" or "C" versions.
 
jar said:
A second recommendation to look at the Beretta Pico. While I still prefer a wheel gun as my primary carry I gotta admit that the little Pico is the flatest, skinniest wheel gun DA feeling pocket gun I've found. There will most likely be another gun on my hip but that Pico will certainly be in my pocket.

Complaints that I've heard about the Pico are that the slide is near impossible to rack on a full magazine. True but only a minor issue in reality. I just remember to lock the slide back before inserting the magazine or do my first charge on a less than full magazine. The slide locks back on empty so it is not an issue in the field.

The other complaint is that the Magazine release is different. Yup. But then I've learned to use button mag releases, heel mag releases, squeeze mag releases, Colt cylinder releases, Smith cylinder releases, Dan Wesson cylinder releases and at least three top break release designs.

The Pico comes with two magazines; one a flat base plate and the second an extended base plate.

I can get a full finger and a half on the grip with the flat base plate. It's more than enough for control but the extended base plate allows a full three fingers. But the extended base plate also really cuts down on conceal-ability and getting the gun out of my pocket in a hurry.


My solution was to take the Dremel and slightly shorten the extension.


And the result is a magazine that is still easy to conceal, easy to draw, allows two full fingers on the grip and is comfortable.


Note I also swapped frames on the pistol.

If what you are looking for is a pocket pistol that feels and behaves like a revolver, the Beretta Pico may be about as close as you can get; a true DA, no mag disconnect safety, double strike, 380acp.

And it comes with REAL sights.
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I have two Pico's, nice triggers for EDC double action. However the Nano trigger is one very Smooth trigger. I love it. Great double action. My is around 6lbs of pull, I have two range buddies that have one, and theirs is around 5 7/2. My is a 2018 model, I believe it is a different trigger from the original which was heavier. Also extremely mild shooter, very snag free.
 
JTQ said:
That's a 92D. I think he's looking for a PX4D
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That is correct I’m on the hunt for the px4 d model. A Beretta 92 feels too big in my hand, though perhaps I could acclimate.
 
SteadyD said:
That is correct I’m on the hunt for the px4 d model. A Beretta 92 feels too big in my hand, though perhaps I could acclimate.
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VZ, and also sold through Langdon Tactical, offer's some pretty thin grips for the Beretta 92. A 92D will still be a pretty big gun, and maybe bigger than you want judging by your comments in this thread. While the 92 Compact is available, I don't think it was offered as a "D" model.
 
Do the different modular frame size kits for the p320 also work with the p250? Or are there ones specific to each model?
 
years ago I bought this SS S&W 3913 single stack 9mm that's da first shot and single action the rest with double sided safety-hammer drop, from a friend who fell under the spell of double stacked wide bodied autos. the 3913 has rode many miles with me and tho never called upon to protect me, I,m sure it would do the job and still goes with me for a ride every so often.
 

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9mmepiphany said:
The grip modules are interchangeable between the SIG 250 and 320
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Is the p250 a DAK trigger or is it it’s own style DAO trigger? Is it true DAO with restrike capability and no partially cocked hammer? Thanks for your help with this. Would you recommend the p250 over the p224 DAK?
 
The P250 trigger is DAO but not a DAK...the geometry is different...it is possibly the smoothest/lightest DA SIG has ever put on a pistol.

The weakness of the P250 is it's accuracy out at 50 yards. It just isn't as consistently accurate out at the longer distances as one of the Classic P-series pistols
 
9mmepiphany said:
The P250 trigger is DAO but not a DAK...the geometry is different...it is possibly the smoothest/lightest DA SIG has ever put on a pistol.

The weakness of the P250 is it's accuracy out at 50 yards. It just isn't as consistently accurate out at the longer distances as one of the Classic P-series pistols
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I wouldn’t be accurate at 50 yards anyway! I’m looking at a NIB in full size but I’d like to convert it to a subcompact. I can’t find everything I’d need to do so, however.
 
SteadyD said:
Have you any thoughts on the p224?
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I do not as I've only handled one and didn't shoot it.

I'm not really a sub-compact fan, with my smallest, and most carried SIG being the 228. When I need something smaller than a 228, I go with the Kahr CW9...but it doesn't have a hammer
 
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