Bill to Ban Assault Weapons, High-Capacity Magazines Hours After House Dems Pass Gun Control Bill

[Ignition Override]

Simple curiosity here....No emotion.

Is there a somewhat tentative week planned — for whenever the Senate ... - hopes- ... to begin debate about this?

Trying to be matter-of-fact.

Is there an “ emoji” which indicates the desire to Avoid emotion in a cluster of comments?

 

[danez71]

Everybody please remember we are trying to discuss the bill, and/or what we can do about. not have rants or get political.
The Mods figured as a group we wouldn't be able to behave but are giving us a chance, lets prove it was worth them giving us a chance please.


All we need to do is behave, please try, it appears to be hard for some people however, sigh.....



Correct, sorry I read it wrong, the ident or lack of threw me off.

Emphasis added


PLEASE

 

[danez71]

Starting on line 17 (emphasis added) ETA page 13, line 17
Since the 10/22 is not tube fed, coupling 2 10 round mags will net you a felony but a Marlin 60 with 11+ capacity is still fine,,,,, for now.

The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’—

‘‘(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, including any such device joined or coupled with another in any manner, that has an overall capacity of, or that can be readily restored, changed, or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; and

‘(B) does not include an attached tubular de-vice designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.’’.

Eeek gads.

 

[danez71]

Starting on page 17.....

Am I seeing correctly that retired LEOs exempt but no mention of military service members current or retired?

CA seems to do that in apparent attempt to get LEO union support / endorsement.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The about 100 pages of exempt make and model list does include some bolt action rifles, but not the two Savage single shot rimfire rifles I own, 63KM and 73. Does not exempt mean verboten?

 

[DustyGmt]

Does anybody know what a semi auto pistol with a fixed magazine capable of holding more than 10rds would be? Pg. 4 (E) of the bill

 

[DustyGmt]

So, what I gather from this is this is an exact duplicate of the 94' AWB except they've added a bunch of guns and guns owned before would be protected by way of grandfathering? I thought they were looking to kill the grandfather clause, I'm curious why it was left out. Is it perhaps because it's a little easier to swallow with the grandfathering and more easily amended once it becomes law, perhaps after some inciting incident?






12 SEC. 3. RESTRICTIONS ON ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE
13 CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
14 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 922 of title 18, United
15 States Code, is amended—
16 (1) by inserting after subsection (u) the fol-
17 lowing:
18 ‘‘(v)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import,
19 sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting
20 interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault
21 weapon.
22 ‘‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession,
23 sale, or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon oth-
24 erwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date
25 of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2021.

 

[kwguy]

There is no way logic or reasonable discussion that will sway the antis. They’re not stupid, they’re driven. We have been warned time and time again, even the Aussies warned us. All parties concerned (except for the “useful i#*ots”) know the facts and the discussion. What this is now is a “power / lobby” effort.

Do you really think any of those anti-gun groups can be “convinced” of their flawed logic? No way. They know exactly what they are doing. Write your Congress folks and give money to the pro 2A lobby groups. It’s a sad state of affairs; but it is the world we live in.

 

[WrongHanded]

So, what I gather from this is this is an exact duplicate of the 94' AWB except they've added a bunch of guns and guns owned before would be protected by way of grandfathering? I thought they were looking to kill the grandfather clause, I'm curious why it was left out. Is it perhaps because it's a little easier to swallow with the grandfathering and more easily amended once it becomes law, perhaps after some inciting incident?

I would suspect it's for a few reasons. Firstly, it's far easier to cut off the legal production and distribution of certain firearms and magazines (by making it illegal) than it is to round up what would be left after the non-compliance of a buyback program. And any buyback would be rather expensive in terms of administrative costs as well as payouts. But those who failed to comply would then be defacto criminals which creates more of a mess.

Plus I suppose there's a reasoning that if enough sting operations are put in place where private sales of grandfathered weapons and magazines are concerned, it would become risky enough that the majority of those guns and mags would stay put with whoever owns them. They would also likely be considered precious at that point, there being a finite quantity. Which only increase the chances of current owners retaining them.

Ultimately, if most of these items are in the hands of law abiding citizens, grandfathering them results in them remaining in those law abiding hands and out of criminal circles. Which may not be the ultimate goal of the gun grabbers, but certainly makes sense to those in favor of keeping such guns away from criminal intentions. Couple that with Universal Background Checks and sting operations pressuring otherwise law abiding citizens to avoid selling to prohibited individuals, and it would certainly appear on the surface as though it's going to be harder for criminals to get guns. (Though obviously not impossible)

I'm not in favor of these bills, but I understand why they appeal to a large chunk of society.

 

[1942bull]

Maybe I am wishfully thinking, but I am not convinced that should the filibuster be eliminated that it would mean draconian gun control would be the result. Most polls show that a majority of voters support 2A and think that a better background check system is necessary. 82% supported universal background checks as the most important gun control measure. Also huge number of Americans that bought their first gun in the past year has to have sent a message to legislators that more people support owning firearms than ever before. While most are silent on the issue of gun bans and magazine bans I think that there are Democrat senators from purple states that would be hesitant to vote for those bans. If an assault rifle ban were enacted I can envision it being a SCOTUS case. It is a pretty conservative court. So I am far from panic.

 

[JTHunter]

If they can push unconstitutional bills like these through and make them law, they will find a way to remove the grandfathering at a later date.
And, if/when they succeed with this, how long before they nullify the First Amendment?

 

[Tommygunn]

If they can push unconstitutional bills like these through and make them law, they will find a way to remove the grandfathering at a later date.
And, if/when they succeed with this, how long before they nullify the First Amendment?

They're already trying this ..... and social media like Facebook and Twitter are leading the way.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

If they can push unconstitutional bills like these through and make them law, they will find a way to remove the grandfathering at a later date.
And, if/when they succeed with this, how long before they nullify the First Amendment?

It is already functionally nullified. Express the wrong opinion to the wrong person and you will be cancelled, labelled, placed on a list, tracked, fired from your job, villified, and marginalized.

Wrong Speak and Thought Crimes are here, now.

 

[TheBruce]

I casually perused the bill to try to find any mention specifically of ability to purchase AR style rifle parts. I haven't found anything specific to parts. That's one of my biggest concerns because I have many lower receivers, but they're not all built out. I do see that the bill includes rifles with pistol grips and threaded barrels and such, so I'm wondering, if this were to pass, if we would still be able to purchase parts, such as threaded barrels and pistol grips, flash hiders, etc.

Has anybody found any language in the bill specific to this?

 

[danez71]

Does anybody know what a semi auto pistol with a fixed magazine capable of holding more than 10rds would be? Pg. 4 (E) of the bill

That looks to fall under this on page 2 line 21:

The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

 

[danez71]

PSA: Please start a new thread if youre looking to complain. PLEASE.

Let help each other dig thru this and continue this productive thread for all.


The Mods have warned us.

If you dont heed thier warning, youre intentionally ruining it for everyone by causing the thread to be closed.

 

[scott511]

Definitely read

Does anybody know what a semi auto pistol with a fixed magazine capable of holding more than 10rds would be? Pg. 4 (E) of the bill

I'm curious to what this is too.
Can someone give an example?

 

[danez71]

Page 24 has this little nugget for everyone that wondered out loud how .gov would know when thier 11+ mags were made.

(c) IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS FOR LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.—Section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following: ‘‘A large capacity ammunition feeding device manufactured after the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2021 shall be identified by a serial number and the date on which the device was manufactured or made, legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast on the device, and such other identification as the Attorney General shall by regulations prescribe.’’.


I guess stamping markings like always wasn't enough... sigh

 

[DustyGmt]

That looks to fall under this on page 2 line 21:

I was actually looking for a specific example of a pistol, that has a fixed magazine capable of holding 10+. Sounds like they had one in mind.

 

[DustyGmt]

Page 24 has this little nugget for everyone that wondered out loud how .gov would know when thier 11+ mags were made.

Also, I was thinking about how some guys mentioned that UBC would be impossible to enforce and what I came up with is this. If you bought a gun that was purchased before any legislation was passed, it would be nearly impossible to enforce because somebody could just pre date the transaction and say they sold it before the law was in effect.

If the gun is purchased after the UBC legislation was passed, should that weapon ever find its way into the system or being checked for whatever reason however unlikely those circumstances seem, it would be obvious that whoever initially bought it sold it without a BGC.

No?

We just got UBC in VT in 2018, from what I've heard there isn't alot of compliance.

 

[lionking]

I'm just gonna say that in a country that is already divided if they passed this there would be a whole lot of angry people. Wonder what they guy is thinking now that asked Biden last year "are you going to take my gun?" and Biden answered " you are full of BS"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics/joe-biden-testy-gun-exchange-michigan-worker/index.html

 

[Zahn]

I casually perused the bill to try to find any mention specifically of ability to purchase AR style rifle parts. I haven't found anything specific to parts. That's one of my biggest concerns because I have many lower receivers, but they're not all built out. I do see that the bill includes rifles with pistol grips and threaded barrels and such, so I'm wondering, if this were to pass, if we would still be able to purchase parts, such as threaded barrels and pistol grips, flash hiders, etc.

Has anybody found any language in the bill specific to this?

Look at Page 13 Lines 11 through 13 - (L) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (A) through (K) can be assembled.

 

[danez71]

I was actually looking for a specific example of a pistol, that has a fixed magazine capable of holding 10+. Sounds like they had one in mind.

Sorry, miss understood.

To give you a non-answer, I have no idea as to if any for that description.

It may be preemptive as in CA (Feinstein territory) MANY ppl covered theIr AR's to fit the fixed mag definition to avoid registering them as CA AW's

 

[DustyGmt]

That would lead to these guns being banned also. The precedent is clear in the Australian bans that expanded to many other types of rifles and shotguns. Also, the Mini-14s might escape but other countries are banning them, Canada and Norway, as they were used in rampages.

Think about this:

1. These guns are dangerous so ban them.
2. Wait, these other guns are just as dangerous.
3. Thus, let us have all these dangerous guns.
4. No, thanks for pointing out that we should ban all of them.

This sort of thinking let to the MSR euphemism. Don't ban my sporting toys! Won't work.

I take your point, but banning "all" guns would be a VERY tall order. I think the more people are made to see that they are targeting guns based on features like furniture, barrel shrouds, threaded bbls, forward grips, etc, would possibly make it a harder row to hoe for them and any additional hurdles that stand in their way would be a welcome blessing.

A Mossberg 500 for instance, one configured with a 28" vent rib bbl, checkered wood stock, classic blued finish with engraved receiver VS a Mossberg 500 with 20' bbl, parkerized, black synthetic stock, maybe a forward grip, ask the average person which one is more lethal. Chances are people will be prejudiced toward the black tactical looking Mossberg even though they can both inflict the same carnage.

Maybe some people (voters) would consider their position more carefully, probably wishful thinking but getting people more complete and accurate information would be a good thing no?

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I was actually looking for a specific example of a pistol, that has a fixed magazine capable of holding 10+. Sounds like they had one in mind.

Dardick?


JK, Im assuming they were talking about ARs that have had the magazines fixed in the well and are loaded throuh the ejection port. I believe they have such monstrosities in California now......