Bloomberg's gun control group spends $15M on campaigns in eight swing states

[Howland937]

1934 was different times. 1968 was different times. Both pre Nixon, both in times when government could still be trusted.

I agree with a lot of what you've posted, but I think the days of our government being deceitful and manipulative began in the days of Andrew Jackson, if not sooner.

The fact is, federal gun registration in this country has never led to confiscation

And while it's certainly never happened, we've also never before seen the number of anti-gun lobbyists, the amount of cash injected into their cause, the media demonizing firearms, or politicians commenting on how they'd love to come after firearms. I'd rather not take that chance. If a politician says the sun is shining, plan on getting soaked.

If anyone still isn't sure, just look at how prohibition was passed and enforced. Then look at the chaos that resulted from that legislation. Think violent crime surged then? Imagine what it would be if we're stripped of the right to own a means to defend ourselves.

 

[Howland937]

Or a person could just research the plight of the Native Americans...pretty sure they were required to register with the government.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Not

Exactly. Biden is a cipher. He was selected to be the Dem nominee because he does them the least harm. People are not voting for Biden; they're voting against Trump. As for gun control, I don't see that happening despite what outliers like Beto O'Rourke say. (Remember that he lost after his "Hail Mary pass" regarding gun confiscation.) If the Democrats take control of the Senate (and that's the only way they could possibly enact gun control), they would do so by winning in a bunch of gun-friendly states, such as Montana, the Carolinas, Georgia, and Kansas. These newly-elected senators would never support draconian gun control. Even Mark Kelly, husband of Gabby Giffords and currently leading in the Arizona senate race, has backed away from confiscation of "assault weapons." He would bring them under the National Firearms Act, a position that reflects that of Biden himself. If we're talking about NFA amendments, there's a lot of scope for changes that would be beneficial for gun owners. (If we played our cards right.)

Huh? Nothing should be under the NFA.It should be abolished. If Democrats achieve control it will be a disaster for gun rights.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Not

Exactly. Biden is a cipher. He was selected to be the Dem nominee because he does them the least harm. People are not voting for Biden; they're voting against Trump. As for gun control, I don't see that happening despite what outliers like Beto O'Rourke say. (Remember that he lost after his "Hail Mary pass" regarding gun confiscation.) If the Democrats take control of the Senate (and that's the only way they could possibly enact gun control), they would do so by winning in a bunch of gun-friendly states, such as Montana, the Carolinas, Georgia, and Kansas. These newly-elected senators would never support draconian gun control. Even Mark Kelly, husband of Gabby Giffords and currently leading in the Arizona senate race, has backed away from confiscation of "assault weapons." He would bring them under the National Firearms Act, a position that reflects that of Biden himself. If we're talking about NFA amendments, there's a lot of scope for changes that would be beneficial for gun owners. (If we played our cards right.)

Huh? Nothing should be under the NFA.It should be abolished. If Democrats achieve control it will be a disaster for gun rights.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Wrong, yes they hate him, but is also about taking your guns they made that plain enough, they just won't harp on it a lot while trying to get elected.

No Trump isn't our savior of any kind, but he won't lead the charge to take your guns like Biden and his ilk will.

actually he is

 

[Riomouse911]

Biden's official position on guns (as reported in this month's American Rifleman, which certainly isn't trying to make Biden look good) is as follows:

1. Nationwide one-handgun-a-month rationing. We had this before in Virginia, and we have it again now, and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

2. A moratorium on "assault weapons" and over-ten-round magazines, going forward. This is basically a re-enactment of the 1994-2004 AWB. Not good, but obviously ineffective in achieving the antigunners' ends. Again, we have experience in living with this.

3. Now here is where it gets interesting: Biden would bring existing "assault weapons" under the NFA. This is obviously unworkable. Sen. Feinstein proposed it before, and even she dropped it when the difficulties were pointed out. But let's suppose that Biden goes ahead with this idea. That would involve a free registration amnesty, and since semis would now be NFA items, that means that all NFA items (with a bit of lobbying) could be subject to the same registration amnesty. Not only would that be the practical end of the Hughes Amendment, but everybody (that registered) would register their semis as machine guns, with a view of converting them later. That would be the practical end of the NFA as a whole, especially since the ATF wouldn't have the resources to administer it.

The way I read this, Biden is not proposing any sort of blanket confiscation. And even if he did, he wouldn't have enough support in even a Democratically-controlled Congress. There are too many Dem senators from gun-friendly states, for one thing.

Let's not get unjustifiably alarmist.

You’re not from California are you? A lot of Californians thought the same thing, now that we’ve been solidly D for many years we are screwed.

I see you’re from Virginia, the last election cycle didn’t wake you up to how quickly your rights can be taken away? I give it two years and you’ll be like us... and if you’re a gun owner or shooter you won’t like it at all.

With that being said, we all should reach out to a new shooter or new gun owner and help them learn to enjoy the shooting sports. Share some ammo, some time, some expertise and foster their flame. Only then will they possibly understand how fleeting their new found interests can be when D rule takes over.

Stay safe..

 

[Ignition Override]

Elections are also swung by Lazy People --who stay home-- and who don't think that Their vote actually counts.
I was guilty of that once or twice when very young.

Some gun owners in Virginia have found indications that recent indifference is why VA turned "Blue", instead of continuing to remain red.

Remember the huge protests in Richmond? What their governor is passing in order to limit gun ownership might be a direct result of so many people staying home.

Think that it can't happen in the US Senate, future White House or your state?

 

[Walkalong]

actually he is

He has been great for the economy, that's for sure, which used to be a really big deal with voters. He's not going to champion gun rights, but he won't lead the charge against.

 

[Ernie Bass]

I think Trump plays the game better than anyone I have seen. He seems to have a instinct for winning. He may not be leading the charge for gun rights, but that actually may be smart. Sometimes I have felt the gun control thing by the liberals was or is really a "wedge issue". A distraction against the real issue of the Economy, trade etc. which Trump is doing so well. It seems the Liberals have had a whole lot of distractions in the past couple of months.Just part of the Plan.
But in the end, remember what another great master of the game said so well. IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID- Bill Clinton.

 

[AlexanderA]

You have been trying to tell us the antis aren't going to take our guns for a long time. Well, they don't care what you say here, they will vote for anti gun bills and as soon as they have enough votes, bingo. Keep voting for anti gun politicians if you want, and don't come crying to me when it happens.

The organized groups around the gun issue -- pro or con -- don't want a final resolution of the issue, either pro or con. They want to keep the issue alive so they can fund raise off of it. The livelihoods of the operatives depend on that. That's why I'm safe in saying that we won't see significant changes in the gun laws (at least on the federal level) for a long time.

The Democrats are not suicidal.They know that nationwide gun confiscation will lose them a lot more votes than it will gain them. In the meantime they can nibble at the margins with things like UBC's.

 

[AlexanderA]

If anyone still isn't sure, just look at how prohibition was passed and enforced. Then look at the chaos that resulted from that legislation. Think violent crime surged then? Imagine what it would be if we're stripped of the right to own a means to defend ourselves.

The guns themselves would be bootlegged, far worse than booze was back then. That's one reason why I'm not worried that the gun confiscators could make it stick.

 

[Megawatt maker]

The guns themselves would be bootlegged, far worse than booze was back then. That's one reason why I'm not worried that the gun confiscators could make it stick.

Gun running is the most American of all crimes.

 

[Ernie Bass]

I got a kick of of Mayor Lightfoot making the statement that "Chicago needs more Gun Control" as the place is nothing be a war zone to begin with. And the fact that they have more gun control than anywhere in the US. And I would make a good bet the bad guys are laughing more than I am. I don't think these fella's shooting themselves to pieces actually go out and get a permit or will run through a background check. The world now is really a chapter out of MAD MAGAZINE.

Lightfoot said, “If the president was really committed to helping us deal with our violence, he would do some easy things. What he would push for is universal background checks, he would push for an assault weapons ban, he would push to make sure that people who are banned from getting on airplanes can’t get guns.”

She did not mention the Chicago-area already has an “assault weapons” ban, thanks to a Cook County prohibition. Moreover, Chicago and the entire state of Illinois already have a licensing process for would-be gun owners that includes a background check.

 

[drk1]

Hardly. I was a 23-year-old law student in 1968, and I knew people that didn't register their MGs during the amnesty precisely because they didn't trust the government. Boy, did they turn out to be the big losers!

The fact is, federal gun registration in this country has never led to confiscation. Draw your own conclusions.

What world do you live in???? I've had dozens of customers that had their firearms confiscated for a variety of reasons. Try living in New York, Massachusetts, Delaware or New Jersey. There are countless examples of the confiscation in these states when an individual passed away and tried to leave firearms to family and/or friends. Your comments are so pathetically ludicrous that they can NEVER be taken seriously.

 

[Ernie Bass]

What world do you live in???? I've had dozens of customers that had their firearms confiscated for a variety of reasons. Try living in New York, Massachusetts, Delaware or New Jersey. There are countless examples of the confiscation in these states when an individual passed away and tried to leave firearms to family and/or friends. Your comments are so pathetically ludicrous that they can NEVER be taken seriously.

They have more information on you than you do. Lol, they could make your life miserable. Freeze bank accounts and on and on.

 

[FFGColorado]

Hmm.... I guess saying he's going to put Beto in charge of gun control means nothing? Both Biden and Beto want scary black guns confiscated. Remember "hell yes we're coming for your AR15"?

Political rhetoric..did you get all sweaty when trump said' 'first take the guns then worry about due process'?? Or when trump supported
-21 year old minimum age
RFL
UBC??

 

[GEM]

Neither party will advance gun rights. One party lies that they will, guess who?

The hope was that SCOTUS would but that seems dead.

 

[FFGColorado]

I ask again, how do you pay for and execute a plan to confiscate 400 MILLION guns? Particularly when there is no Federal data base that shows who owns what? Manpower, $(YUGE$) and the political will to do it(Senate and House, 60 votes in Senate). An EO won't do it.

NOW..when y'all throw around the 'repeal the 2nd amendment', do you know the process to repeal a constitutional amendment..??
Tiresome to hear, "they are gonna take our guns and repeal the 2nd amendment"...if you are going to argue a point, do so with less rhetoric and catch phrases or sound bites.

If you are going to get upset by political rhetoric, gonna be a long season for you. There are many issues this election year but gun control is pretty far down on the list with an anywhere from 12-18% unemployment rate and 1000 people per day dying of this virus...

 

[CDW4ME]

If you vote for Biden then you aint 2A.

Hope someone laughs at this.

 

[Megawatt maker]

Political rhetoric..did you get all sweaty when trump said' 'first take the guns then worry about due process'?? Or when trump supported
-21 year old minimum age
RFL
UBC??

There is a difference between what Trump said once, and what the lefty commies have been saying for 2 decades.
The problem with Trump is, he is known to be very impressionable. Steve Bannon knew this, it's why he always tried to be or have someone in the room with Trump to keep him focused.
That may be a flaw, maybe not. Seemed to work well for him the business world..

But anyway, political rhetoric can, has and will, turn into political reality.
I look back to a nation that was very advanced, very civilized, organized, and lead the world in Noble larurets, until this little jack stick took over. His anti jew rhetoric was taken serious and became reality.

6 million Jews died as a result.

So, while you get a point for Trumps one time comment (made after he spent a few hours alone in a room with the top DNC leadership), the rhetoric coming from the left is far more dangerous.

 

[FFGColorado]

There is a difference between what Trump said once, and what the lefty commies have been saying for 2 decades.
The problem with Trump is, he is known to be very impressionable. Steve Bannon knew this, it's why he always tried to be or have someone in the room with Trump to keep him focused.
That may be a flaw, maybe not. Seemed to work well for him the business world..

But anyway, political rhetoric can, has and will, turn into political reality.
I look back to a nation that was very advanced, very civilized, organized, and lead the world in Noble larurets, until this little jack stick took over. His anti jew rhetoric was taken serious and became reality.

6 million Jews died as a result.

So, while you get a point for Trumps one time comment (made after he spent a few hours alone in a room with the top DNC leadership), the rhetoric coming from the left is far more dangerous.

Maybe but some off handed remark by a guy who had NO chance of being the nominee is showcased again and again as Dem boilerplate while the same rhetoric by trump is ignored. I would say rhetoric coming from the guy in the big chair is more 'important' than rhetoric by some young former mayor of a medium size city.
yup, trump is impressionable along with lacking idology.

 

[P5 Guy]

. This is basically a re-enactment of the 1994-2004 AWB. Not good, but obviously ineffective in achieving the antigunners' ends

They do not want effective firearms legislation. If one of their schemes worked and upon enactment 'gun violence' dropped to near nothing no more firearms restrictions would be demanded by the moms.

 

[whughett]

I ask again, how do you pay for and execute a plan to confiscate 400 MILLION guns? Particularly when there is no Federal data base that shows who owns what? Manpower, $(YUGE$) and the political will to do it(Senate and House, 60 votes in Senate). An EO won't do it.

NOW..when y'all throw around the 'repeal the 2nd amendment', do you know the process to repeal a constitutional amendment..??
Tiresome to hear, "they are gonna take our guns and repeal the 2nd amendment"...if you are going to argue a point, do so with less rhetoric and catch phrases or sound bites.

If you are going to get upset by political rhetoric, gonna be a long season for you. There are many issues this election year but gun control is pretty far down on the list with an anywhere from 12-18% unemployment rate and 1000 people per day dying of this virus...

Gun owners with those attitudes will still be scratching their a....s and asking what happened. Research European gun laws, research Australian, British and Canadian gun laws and ask yourself how they would apply to you and impact gun ownership and use.
If your not part of the solution your damn well part of the problem.

 

[FFGColorado]

Gun owners with those attitudes will still be scratching their a....s and asking what happened. Research European gun laws, research Australian, British and Canadian gun laws and ask yourself how they would apply to you and impact gun ownership and use.
If your not part of the solution your damn well part of the problem.

My 'attitude' is actually a question..give an estimate as to the time, money and manpower to confiscate 400 million firearms w/o any Federal registry. Did Austia, GB, or Canada have a Euro/Canadian version of the 2nd amendment?

 

[Golfanaticshooter]

Neither party will advance gun rights. One party lies that they will, guess who?

The hope was that SCOTUS would but that seems dead.

I think we are all disappointed in SCOTUS, but the President is following through on his promise to appoint conservatives. There is no way in Hell Biden will do anything but the opposite. The next 4 years will probably see a good amount of turnover on the Court. We should ALL want Trump making those appointments.