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You can get started for around $150/$200, but if you enjoy it that amount will grow as you add calibers, maybe get a nice trimmer, add a tumbler,.....

We do tend to spend the same amount and just shoot more, but you can save money if you try.

Well said.
When I started things were really tough. But I was concerned about Clinton getting elected. So I wanted to learn as soon as possible. So I bought a piece of gear when I could. I shopped, and I looked for the best value.

After getting started I added things as I needed them or felt they’d make loading more enjoyable or efficient.

I advocate this method as starting with the basics gives you a good foundation. It also limits what you spend so if you don’t like loading you’re not out a lot of money. It also helps keep the expenses under control and makes it more accessible.

I bet if we asked everyone here if they would like a Dillion press almost everyone would say yes. But we all don’t need a high end progressive. In fact, for most beginners a basic single stage or a Lee Classic Turret will work well. In the case of the LCT, it can be used as a single stage and offers the advantage of not having to switch does.

Anyway, I guess I just find it a bit off putting that some push spending large amounts of money to beginners. Or tell them they have to spend a lot. I know I couldn’t afford to spend a lot and had there not been other options and I only listened to them, I wouldn’t have started reloading. A hobby I now love.
 
I'm doing this a long time but I'm still cheap so I sometimes make due with what I have. I use a Lee Classic Turret Press and a single stage RCBS Rockchucker. I can't bring myself to buy a really nice progressive press like the Dillon 550 or 650 plus all the available add-ons.

Like said above, you can load very well and safely with $200 worth of equipment. I spent something similar when I started and broke even in under 2 months. That was when ammo was much cheaper than now. You can save a lot of money when loading for cartridges like the 45 Colt over buying them.
 
The OP clearly states that he wants to reload for several rifle calibers and several pistol calibers.

I built my reloading bench in my garage. I'm not a professional carpenter but I do have a reasonable skill set having built many wood projects over the years. I have plans to start building a 14' boat in the next few years. Also, as a kid my Dad handloaded several rifle calibers so I had some idea of what a workable bench should look like. I did a lot of research and planning but even so I got a few things wrong.

Anyway, using some materials from my scrap pile including the bench top which happens to be furniture grade maple plywood, I have easily $300.00 out-of-pocket in materials in my 7.5' long bench. It works, has ample storage and doesn't move. Still it's not perfect and so this spring I have plans to make a new set of legs as I want to raise the bench height 5" I have a budget of $100.00 to make a robust and workable bench a little more comfortable. In addition LED light strips will add another $50.00. I had to run initially a separate electrical circuit to powder my bench. These are things that no one here ever talks about, building benches and making sure they have everything they need to perform the task at hand. Not included are all of the plastic bins and boxes that have been added to store the stuff. Misc. brick-a-brack that we all need and use. But if you have no desire to build an adequate bench, purchasing a Harbor Freight Windsor bench will cost +/-$150.00 Add a few lights and hardware to fasten it to the wall and boom.... $200.00 And after a week with that bench you will come to realize that you need additional storage space.

Last fall I built a wall mounted two shelf horizontal bookcase 8' long, 28" high and 14" deep. Purchased three (3) sheets of 3/4 plywood and milled the trim mostly from furring strips I had. 16 lag bolts/washers to fasten it to the wall and a quart of paint, an LED light strip. Boom...another $150.00 to put adequate wall storage within arms reach of my reloading bench.

To comply with NFPA 495 smokeless powder storage requirements I built a wall mounted storage cabinet out of nominal 1" lumber. Granted mine is prolly bigger than most here but I used lumber I had in the scrap pile but it still took me a week to put it all together and get it hung. In all I have maybe a month of weekend and evening time invested in my reloading area, something I think a person thinking about getting started should know.

How often do we read where a new handloader states "I bought the _____ kit but now I have to buy _____ to make it work? Or to make my ammo?

As far as budget is concerned it is impossible to purchase all of the gear you will need for less than $500.00 Some will argue that they bought such and such Lee kit for I don't know say $150.00 but you will not have everything you need and while the tackle may work OK you will be looking to replace everything in a very short time.

To rephrase what I said as quoted above it is possible to order a kit that claims to have everything you need to start this endeavor for about $150.00 However that kit is not going to make a handloader out of anyone. Assuming that the potential handloader is going to be reloading rifle calibers a case trimmer is going to cost roughly $100.00, a case tumbler $75.00, tumbling media $10.00, a bullet puller $20.00, el cheapo digital calipers $15.00, some kind of plastic loading block $10.00, Chamfer and de-burring tools $20.00. This is over $200.00 spent and you still don't have 1. a press, 2. a powder scale, 3. powder measure, 4. dies and shell holders, 5. handloaders manual, 6. priming tool. Add to that any of the needed consumable goods such as powder, primers and bullets.

Of course one can go to K-MART and buy an inexpensive set of tools to work on your car. But we all know where that leads us ultimately even if we don't plan on becoming professional mechanics. I learned that lesson when I was 17. So why do we try to insinuate that for someone who has finally made the decision to jump into handloading after (as the OP clearly states) many years of planning and dreaming that they should buy stuff that everyone here knows will be tossed aside after a month or so, or that the collection of tools will grow at a exponential rate? Why not be honest right from the start and state that if you don't want to allocate $500.00 to this hobby then maybe it's not for you?

In summary if you have a realistic budget of between $500.00 to $1,000.00 then you will take most if not all of the stress out of putting your workspace together and your collection of tools will put a smile on your face and last more than a month or two.
 
When I started in 2009 I asked a man who had reloaded for years to show me the ropes but he never seemed to have the time so I gave up on him and turned to you tube and of course reading my manuals. Eventually after reading and watching MANY videos on several calibers and different equipment it gave me a pretty good picture of what I needed to be doing then I did it. Expect to make mistakes just start slow, stick to necessary step by step process and have fun knowing you are building something. Also, just because equipment is out there does not mean you have to buy it all. Single stage press, electronic scale, and a hand primer will get you on your way.
 
Thomas15, a tumbler and media are nice but they're not required. One can simply wash their brass. The brass won't be all shiny but they're clean and work. Reloaders did this for years before the obsession with shiny brass.

Lee has a trimmer tool that doesn't cost much. And the one that goes in the press is about $20. One doesn't need to buy plastic blocks, if one saves them from their factory ammo. I actually have ones that I've had for years.

I'm not an advocate of cheap tools. But I'm also not an advocate of spending a ton when starting out. So again, a $500 or $1000 budget is nice, but it's not REQUIRED.
 
Why not be honest right from the start and state that if you don't want to allocate $500.00 to this hobby then maybe it's not for you?

... realistic budget of between $500.00 to $1,000.00
Wow.

I am sure there are plenty of people who started out reloading on a new/used "O" type single stage press, scale and a set of dies and produced functional reloads.
 
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Wow.

I am sure there are plenty of people who started out reloading on a new/used "O" type single stage press, scale and a set of dies and produced functional reloads.

He simply won’t accept that if one shows wisely good gear can be had inexpensively. He equates inexpensive as cheap. Those of us who don’t like cheap but like a good value understand that inexpensive can be cheap or it can be a value.

If one were to buy say a set of RCBS calipers vs the same Chinese ones at Harbor Freight they’ll pay two or three times as much. Do that enough and OP will be closer to the $1000 than $200 or so.
 
I started about 35 years ago with a RCBS Jr. press (and still have it and you use it). By the time I added a few sets of dies and a 5-10 scale plus powder hopper, I was close to $200 then. Looking at decent quality equipment (not uber high end) $200 is what I would consider to be the bare minimum. It might be better to go used through Craig's List or a WTB ad at the local gun club. Then you can get decent stuff for the price of cheap (as in quality) stuff.
 
^^^In 1982 a Rock Chucker cost $115.50, RCBS (2 pc) rifle dies $25.00 + $4.00 for a shell holder, 5-0-5 scale $39.90, hand primer $23.30, de-burring tool $7.70, case trimmer $29.70, Uniflow $39.50, funnel $2.95, trickler $6.75, caliper $19.95, bullet puller $14.95, primer flipper $1.36, case lube kit $9.30 I don't have a 1982 price for a loading block or case tumbler but for the above the cost in 1982 was total $339.86 And I'm "crazy" for saying in 2017 have a $500.00 budget?

My neighbor owns a Kia, he tells me it's the least expensive car to purchase. So the question is why isn't everyone driving a Kia? I personally drive 100 miles per day, how long is a Kia going to last me? How am I gonna feel when I arrive at work or back home? Like I rode a horse to work? New rule: everyone that doesn't drive a Kia is uninformed.

When I read the OP it reminds me of someone. That someone is me. I was casting bullets unsupervised when I was 8 years old, handloading rifle ammo when I was 9. Many years gap of little to do with firearms as I made my way thru college and getting a wife, a house and 2 kids, so on, so times were a bit lean. But then my wife went back to work, my kids grew up and my paycheck got a little bigger. I decided it was time to do more than just save my brass.

The day came I made the move and started looking at getting equipped to reload. Just like the OP. It took me 2 minutes to decide that after waiting decades to begin this adventure I wasn't going to settle for plastic scale or powder measure. I wasn't going to settle for a "kit" that cost less than what I knew for many years to be the benchmark press (Rockchucker) costs. True I didn't want to over pay and Redding seemed to be a bit of over kill.

When I think about using a Lee case trimmer I get the feeling that maybe a sharp stick in the eye might be more pleasant.

As I mentioned previously the inexpensive stuff works. But why do posters here, nice as they are, direct newcomers to the hobby immediately in the direction of low cost no fun tackle?

My Dad didn't buy his gear so that I wouldn't have to bother when I grew up. He didn't have a lot of money to spend. But I still use his 1967 Uniflow, 30-06 die set, primer pocket uniformer and a few misc. things. That stuff is more than 50 years old still works perfect.

And of course my entire discussion on having an actual place (and the cost associated) to perform your ballistic magic goes completely ignored.
 
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Use enough lube. Having a stuck case when you're in the middle of a batch is nothing but aggravation.

Get a case trimmer that runs on a power source other than your muscles. More money is involved but after 20 cases or so you start feeling an ache in your fingers as you stare into your pile of brass.

Tumblers are not required, but there's something about shiny brass. Like youth, you know the brass will tarnish with time, so one appreciates its transient beauty.

A bullet puller. I'm proud to say that I almost never need to use a bullet puller. But there is no substitute when one is needed. Perhaps throwing away the mistake makes more sense, you decide.
 
the inexpensive stuff works. But why do posters here, nice as they are, direct newcomers to the hobby immediately in the direction of low cost no fun tackle?
Because ... even low cost "O" type single stage presses work, especially for someone just starting out who may not know if reloading is something they want to pursue long-term. If they decide reloading is not for them, then they did not commit too much money. And if they bought good used single stage presses, they may be able to recoup most of their money.

Walkalong posted some words of wisdom
Buy the bare minimum needed and start slow. No rush, no need for a large output of cash.
You can get started for around $150/$200, but if you enjoy it that amount will grow
Keep in mind, there are many if they told their wives their new hobby will require $1000 to start, they may be told to find a new hobby. ;):D
 
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And you hold dime sized groups at 300 yards with a $150.00 rifle equipped with a $35.00 set of sights. After every shot you get out of position, walk 300 yards to see where your shots are going. And you borrow your Kia owning neighbors chrony.
 
And you hold dime sized groups at 300 yards ...

And you borrow your Kia owning neighbors chrony.
"O" type single stage presses working has little comparison to 300 yard groups. And what does borrowing chrony from Kia driving neighbor has anything to do with our discussion?

Chances are, regardless of color of single stage press, they will all likely produce similar dimension loaded cartridges. They all go up and down. Even though I load on C-H 205 "O" type single stage press, if I used any other color "O" type singe stage press, I will likely produce similar dimension loaded cartridges.

And OP did not specify shooting dime sized groups at 300 yards but asked for "basic gear" and most of us responded to OP
Where should i start with the basic gear
 
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I have a three presses. Two RCBS JR's. One stamped 1967 and the other stamped 1973. One is at the main house along with a Lyman 55 powder measure, Forster case trimmer, and a Redding beam scale. The other is at the second house with a Redding Hunter powder measure, Lyman case trimmer and an O'Haus beam scale. I like RCBS dies and Redding lock rings. Good equipment but I am not impressed with the new RCBS single stage or turret presses, save the Summit.

The third press is a Lee Classic Cast Turret. I have only had it about 8 years, but I expect it to last a long as my RCBS Presses. It's a very good press. Thinking I might just get the Lee Classic Cast single stage. It's a better press than the new RocK Chucker. Either the Lee or the Summit.

I also have a Kia Sorrento. 2008 model. Daily driver. 209,000 miles at the last oil change and still running strong. Does need a front wheel hub bearing replaced. Only the second repair ever needed, the first being the throttle sensor. It is a very good riding car as well. I do have new car fever. What do you want to bet it will be another Kia?
 
Run. Just run away. Run as far and as fast as you can and don’t look back.

Still here?

You’re not doing this to save money are you?

Seriously, this hobby is a lot of fun. Take your time and enjoy.
 
I started back around 89 with a Lee Anniversary kit with the “0” press and used that kit for years loading 30-30, 308, 223, 7.62x39, 40, 9mm, & 357. I loaded around 150,000 rounds with that setup till I lost everything in a house fire. It turned out great ammo, very accurate and all of it worked. When I started back up I got the Lee Reloader, some dies, and consumables and got back to it. Everything Lee, press, dies, scale, trimmers, and a RCBS trickler. I loaded about 75,000 over the next 2 years then bought a Loadmaster. I can load every caliber on the Loadmaster, but still use the Reloader for batches under 100 rounds.
Last year I bought a Hornady electronic powder dispenser at a great price just to speed up the single stage loading, and I was having a hard time seeing the hash marks on the Lee scale. You dont have to spend a lot to reload, and you can load very good ammo with “cheap” low end Lee equipment.

Start off with pistol, it is a little easier as you don’t have to trim the cases. Once you get comfortable with that move up to rifle and ease into it. You will have to determine what you need based on your budget and needs, and mechanical ability. Check prices on accessories for whatever brand you choose, some cost as much as another press.

You will need a good solid bench with good lighting to mount eveyand store your stuff, so don’t forget to add that in your costs. If you lack space, a black and decker workmate can be made to work and takes up little space.
 
What does the 9th edition of the ABC book have to say on the subject (chapter 10). Does the often recommended book of books advise the beginner to purchase inexpensive plastic? What does he say about the actual space used to handload? Is anything I'm saying regarding the bench and accommodations at odds with what St. James writes? And while were are at it, what does consumer reports say on the topic?

I put 348,000 miles on my 1987 Ford Ranger S (short bed, manual 5 speed no air conditioning). Consumer Reports thought the truck under powered, cab too small, awkward controls placed in inefficient locations, too expensive and a harsh ride. I gave the truck in running condition to a friend who put another 35,000 on it when it got rammed by a bus. When someone puts 383,000 miles on a Kia then maybe I will be impressed.

In addition to a very comfortable ride and traction in the snow, my 2011 Mercedes C-300 4-matic which now has 121,000 miles and no expenses and is just as tight as the day I brought it home. I live on a ridge line that has about a 100ft vert incline from the nearest intersection. We are in the Poconos. Last week during the snow there was an F150 4x4 backing down our street as I approached. I stopped and asked if he was ok, he said he was but it was obvious he wasn't making it up to the top, A similar experience I know from my daughters Mazda 3, we usually leave it at the bottom. From a complete stop I continued on up to my house without issue. When that car hits 200,000 miles I intend to put another 200,000 on it.

And what does borrowing chrony from Kia driving neighbor has anything to do with our discussion?

So you admit it? LOL!
 
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After I got out of the service
Went to work at a local Datsun dealership.
Back then we were selling plain jane pickups for 5959.

Side giggle
I had to work the parts counter on Saturday's during hunting season.
This cute blonde girl came in
and asked me about a dash light that came on.
It was the yellow "wash" light.
She stated that she washed the car three times....but the light is
still "ON".
 
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And what does borrowing chrony from Kia driving neighbor has anything to do with our discussion?
So you admit it? LOL!
No I have my own.

Anyways, getting back to OP, I have a Dillon 650 set up with case feeder I am happy with. But for someone new to reloading who may want to "test the waters", I would not suggest spending $1000 to get started in reloading. I would recommend a basic "O" type single stage press to see if reloading is something they want to pursue further.

Heck, I still prefer to reload rifle calibers on single stage.

OP, as moderator Walkalong suggested, consider starting out with the minimal "basic" set up and see how reloading works out for you.
 
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