Businesses that prohibit CCW

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I think it is more than that. As a business owner I have 24 employees working for me. They rely on the wages I pay them to make the house/rent payment, food, car payments, pay the utility bills and so on.

So following the shootout by good Sam I can expect a lot of negative publicity, loss of business from nervous former customers, boycott by the NAACP and likely a big lawsuit. All of this takes it toll and I go out of business. Now good Sams actions has forced me out of business and 24 employees out of work, not to mention the effect on their spouses and children. So good Sam has not only changed the life of the BG but also the lives of the business owner, all of the employees and likely any customers.

I know several police officers that have had gunshots fired at them by minority youths and did not return gunfire. They felt that due to the negative publicity from shooting the perp, the investigations by Internal Affair, the D.A., State Attorney General, the Feds for civil rights violations. lawsuits, possible criminal charges it just wasn't worth it. There is a lesson somewhere here.
 
You know I'm always going to follow the law and I'm always going to be carrying a sidearm. Obviously that means conflict.... therefore I hardly ever enter a business that prohibits sidearm carry. But on those very rare occasions that I do I'll always and I mean always enter that establishment with an empty holster and magazine carrier prominently visible. They want to make a statement fine...I get to make mine as well. I want 'em to know just exactly who they are discriminating against and if they cannot figure out why they don't see this customer as often as they used to then they have a real market analysis problem; but it is really their problem.. not mine.
 
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As a business owner my goal is to make a profit. My experience has taught me that most armed robbers only want they can take quickly, usually cash, without any resistance. My employees keep the till counted down reducing the amount of cash in the drawer. My policy is to give the robber whatever he demands.

So while you are in my store shopping packing heat and a armed robbery goes down. For whatever reason you decide to intervene and draw your roscoe. Now I have two strangers in my store pointing guns and yelling. Who is who? Robbers are known to work in teams. I am pretty sure neither one is cop, no badges flashed.

Someone gets itchy and the shooting starts. I'm armed and my concern is to protect myself and my employees. So who do I engage first? Since the robber is standing in front of me the rounds you are firing are coming in my direction. Greater threat is that bullet headed at me.

So I engage you and being lucky or unlucky I take you out with well placed round. The robber decides to flee and is gone.

So what is the tally? Shot up store, you are in the hospital plugged into tubes or worse in the morgue, million dollars of bad publicity.

The event the next day is front page in the newspaper, TV camera crews out front, radio coverage about the big shoot out.

Oh the cash in the drawer was $40.00 which the robber made off if you had not drawn your gun.

In the news the next day couple of lines about a robber making off with a undetermined amount of cash.

What is the greater cost?

Just because you think you have the right to pack a firearm anyway you damn well please does not give you the right to shoot up my business, endangering my employees, customers and myself. How I choose to resist a crime is my choice not yours and if you intervene you assume the awesome responsibility of your actions.

So just to clarify, you're the only one allowed to carry in your establishment? If that's the case, you should be ready to convince me that you're capable of defending myself and my family in the event of an armed confrontation, since you've neutered my ability to do so.

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And the robber is standing a few feet in front of me so Good Sam gun will be pointed in my direction. And it is common for robbers to operate in teams.

Wow, you just don't get it. The Good Sam will have his/her gun pointed at the robber and likely will be giving commands to the robber. Robbers typically don't do that to their partners.

I agree that armed robberies are dangerous. Evidence supports that fact that most robberies want in and out as quick as possible. Of course there is the crack head/meth addict that can cause things to go south in a hurry.

The point I am making is this is the attitude of most businesses. Loss of $40.00 is cheaper than the publicity and loss of business from a gunfight. This is also the advice of most police departments.

No doubt that compliance works in the vast majority of the time. The source for this was back around 2000, but in about 13% of the cases as I recall, injury or death still resulted despite compliance. If I had a 1 in 8 chance of winning the lottery, I would play every time. Those are good odds for winning the lottery, but not so good when it comes to the health and well being of yourself, employees, or customers.

Yes, it is the advice of most police departments. Why do you think that is? It is for several reasons. They are worried about the wrong people getting shot by well intentioned owners/managers/employess. They are worried about their own officers rolling up on the scene and getting shot by owners/managers/employees. They are worried about their officers rolling up on the scene and mistakenly shooting owners/managers/employees.

I understand the suggestions of law enforcement, but chances are they are anywhere from 4-15 minutes away from arriving on scene at your business during such a crisis. Those are averages. Some will get their quickly and some will take a really long time. A few years ago, Dallas was quite proud of getting officer response times down below 10 minutes for their Priority 1 calls (robbery in progress, shooting in progress, rape in progress, etc.).

http://apbweb.com/featured-articles/1188-response-times-city-to-city.html
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/shots-ring-out-but-why-bother-calling-police-132115243.html
http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/data-drive/article_a12d37b4-6345-11e1-9597-001871e3ce6c.html

The police mean well, but considering that there is very little chance that they will be present during the robbery of your business, do you really think your safety is their #1 consideration?

I know several police officers that have had gunshots fired at them by minority youths and did not return gunfire. They felt that due to the negative publicity from shooting the perp, the investigations by Internal Affair, the D.A., State Attorney General, the Feds for civil rights violations. lawsuits, possible criminal charges it just wasn't worth it. There is a lesson somewhere here.

Yeah, the lesson there is that somebody is pulling your leg. The reason why they didn't return fire would not be for those reasons. You are saying that their claim is that they opted to not actively defend themselves because administrative concerns? Really?

These cops were worried about bad publicity? I seriously doubt it.

And to think that you know several cops who have been shot at by youths who didn't return fire for those reasons. So after the cops were shot at, they just continued on down the road? It would be silly for them to attempt to pursue their shooters given that they might be put into a position yet again where they would be shot at and they would not be willing to return fire. Just what metropolitan area are you in?

I'll be honest and admit to being a coward. I avoid shipping at stores that are in certain parts of town, certain hours after dark, customers and layout of the store. I also believe in retreating whenever possible. So if I was in the above situation I would be looking for the back door. I lived long enough to know I have nothing to prove and have seen bodies in morgue of people who thought they had something to prove.
 
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