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Ca Microstamping, AB1471

Discussion in 'Activism' started by glockman19, Aug 15, 2007.

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  1. Ieyasu

    Ieyasu Member

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    Man, some of you folks don't have a clue as to how looney Mexifornia is.

    Overturned??? By whom/what? The Ninth short-curcuit has held that the 2A is not an individual right. Individuals do not have standing.

    The legislators could care less (or is that couldn't care less?) whether a single crime is ever solved by this measure.

    Some of you foreigners (err non-Mexifornia residents) have absolutely no idea how nuts and anti-gun mike fuer is (the clown that proposed AB1741). The state legislature is infested with pestilence-ridden socialists/statists/collectivists. There is no hope for this state. My only surprise is that we didn't sink faster when Red Davis (err, Gray) was governor.

    That's okay, AB1741 is a warm-up. Wait 'til Villaraigosa (if you don't know who he is... google!) becomes governor. hahahaha....
     
  2. The_Antibubba

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    AntiBubba, crossposted that thread to AmBack.
     
  4. Ieyasu

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    Excellent post The Antibubba!!!

    Hopefully what you posted will become the start of a national effort. It'd be nice if somebody starts a web-site to coordinate and keep us updated on the effort.

    (Time to reserve a clever URL!)
     
  5. force_quit

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    Wow. What a colossally stupid law. Perhaps every firearms manufacture can follow Barrett's lead and NOT sell or service guns in CA (sorry those that live there). The hope would be that it would for a repeal of the law
     
  6. TexasRifleman

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    Oh man this has taken on Biblical meaning...

    Barrett did not stop selling firearms in CA. Barrett stopped taking DIRECT orders for rifles or parts from CA but he did not stop his distributors from doing so.

    His gesture was well meant certainly but it was symbolic.

    All that happened was California LEAs had to pay full price for parts and rifles rather than the LE discount for direct purchases.

    NO ONE would turn their back on the CA market, its too huge.
     
  7. bluto

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    Noooooooooooooooo! I can't believe it! This tears it!

    Ahnold won't get my vote or support from here on out. You can't slide a piece of paper between him and Feinstein anymore. This is what comes from being married to a Kennedy relative. From moderate Republican to Kennedy Socialist.

    Thanks to all of you from out of state who wrote to the governor.
     
  8. Wastemore

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    Biazarre,
    The wife and I have been discussing moving out of this hole for a couple of years now and we always said we'd wait awhile. Friday, I had an offer to buy my business out of the blue(basically) and I told the person to contact me next Friday and we'll discuss it.
    We're out of here...and, not because of this particular up and coming gem of a law, it's because of the laws that will follow/support this one.

    #$%^ this place, see ya, Cali.
     
  9. force_quit

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    That would be a good start. If all of the manufactures did it. That way the end users don't get hurt either.

    On the topic, did the Gov not see that the states that have spent MILLIONS on the fired case databases have solved ZERO crimes with it? What a waste of taxpayer money.
     
  10. Can'thavenuthingood

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    How far out of California do you figure to move? Is there another country you have in mind?
    Microstamping is about to go national.

    After a short time has elapsed they will discover the 'Revolver' loophole and work to close it like the gun show loophole.

    There won't be any sweep to collect guns like we think of in historical terms, they will merely be legislated into oblivion.

    Vick

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    http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-06/2007-06-07-voa67.cfm?CFID=218844797&CFTOKEN=33498587

    Bullet Cartridges May Help Identify Criminals
    By June Soh
    Washington, D.C.
    07 June 2007

    The U.S. Justice Department says homicides in the United States are most often committed with guns, especially handguns. And the number of shooting deaths has increased steadily over years. But a new technology may help prevent gun violence. It allows investigators to trace the source of the weapon, and perhaps find the shooter, even before they recover the weapon.


    Microstamping technology
    A new bullet casing contains critical information that law enforcement officials can use to identify the weapon that fired the bullet. They are aided by a new ballistics technology called "microstamping."

    Todd Lizotte is the inventor. He explained how microstamping works at a recent demonstration in Washington D.C. "The technology is pretty straightforward. We understand that under certain pressures the metal will emboss itself even if it is a very fine feature."

    Lizotte says if the make, model and serial number of a pistol are etched on the pistol's interior surfaces, those characters are imprinted on each cartridge case when the handgun is fired. So this microstamping technology will allow investigators to link cartridge casings that they find at crime scenes to the weapon used in the crime.


    Microstamping demonstration
    Representative Xavier Becerra of California arranged the demonstration. He and Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts are working to introduce a federal microstamping bill in the U.S. Congress that would require new semiautomatic handguns to be equipped with microstamping technology. A similar bill has been introduced in the California General Assembly.

    "There are ways we can reduce the gun violence in America in a smart way, in an effective way and a way that doesn't infringe on anyone's personal [gun] ownership rights," Becerra says.

    The microstamping technology is hailed by gun control advocates. Josh Horwitz is the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. He says microstamping will enhance an existing gun tracing system.

    "We already have a trace system,” says Horwitz. “We know how to trace guns. Congress authorized and built a trace center. Microstamping would just allow you to access the trace center, get the data -- which is who purchased the firearm -- without the firearm."

    Research by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence shows that of the nearly 2400 homicides in California in 2004, more than 60 percent were committed with handguns. The groups estimate microstamping would cost manufacturers only between 50 cents and one dollar per firearm. They say the new technology is a crime-solving promise in the future and will help make America a safer place to live.
     
  11. MikeyLikesIt

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    Just how do they stamp the bullet???

    Schwarzenegger: Microstamp Gun Bullets

    Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:54 PM

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    SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Saturday signed 97 bills and vetoed another 58, creating new laws on everything from the sale of kangaroo skin to protecting endangered condors while halting lawmakers efforts on dozens of other fronts, including giving college aid to illegal immigrants and requiring warning labels on cloned food.

    Arguably his most controversial decision, Schwarzenegger signed a bill requiring semiautomatic handguns made and sold in the state to have technology to microstamp each bullet fired from the gun.

    Supporters said the micro-stamping requirement, the first in the nation, will help police track down criminals.

    Opponents, including the National Rifle Association, argued the technology is unreliable and could be used to implicate innocent people if criminals leave behind stamped cartridges from other guns at crime scenes.

    In his signing message, Schwarzenegger said he understands the technology is not perfect, but hopes it would give police a new tool in solving violent crimes.
     
  12. SIGguns

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    Well, now this is great. Good old Ted Kennedy never lets his fellow socialists down. Xavier Becerra can also take a hike.

    People need to make it clear to their representatives as soon as the time is right. Congress needs to drop this as soon as possible. The ink on this law isn't even dry yet in California and these victim disarmers are already trying to screw the whole country over.
     
  13. Scorpiusdeus

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    Yes Yes Yes, all of you move out of California. Leave us behind to fight alone. Why don't you all move to France since you seem half French anyway.

    Anyone with big brass ones should move here and help us take over, not encourage the surrender monkeys to jump ship.

    Fight until the death, No surrender!

    No wonder this state is the way it is, the so called freedom fighters don't have any fight left in em.

    Whatever state some of you yellow bellies move to, make sure you run from there with your tails between your legs when they come for you there. Pretty soon you won't have anywhere left to go.
     
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