California ALERT! Semi-autos in danger!

[SoCalShooter]

I hate these people seriously, I have two ar lowers I am waiting for them to open the registration period on. locklyer is a crony who makes gun laws when he and his people never look at the issues or the facts!

The problem is that if they can pass this they can pass it on semi-auto pistols also.

 

[bigun15]

At what point do you Californians revolt?

On one hand, I say as long as there are other states to back out to we shouldn't try to go up in arms against them. When this happens to the whole country, then it's a bit different.

 

[OneIsNone]

Often times I see Californians advised to flee the state and move to a more gun-friendly state...To just give-up.

Consider this--Out of 538 nation-wide electoral votes, California holds 55 (53 reps and 2 senators). Roughly 1 in every 8 Americans lives in California. The more pro-Second Amendment people who live-in California the better. To abandon California is to abandon a lot of potential political clout.

 

[hjaeger]

I have to wonder, if any fixed-magazine AR has EVER been used in a crime in Cali.

I don't think the average criminal understands stripper clips.

 

[.45 AUTO]

As far as I am concerned California should become their own country. Because their government certainly does not go by the 2nd Amendment of the constitution of the United States. If the State of California had it their way they would ban guns little by little. First semi-autos, then pump-actions, then bolt-actions, then lever-actions, and then single-shots. They would soon first try to ban handguns, then rifles and shotguns would follow. Then they will try to ban different calibers and gauges, they already banned the .50 BMG, and why shoulden't they? Even though as far as I know there has never been anyone killed with one except in the hands of our Millitary. If worse came to worse The Citizens of California would be lucky to be able to own a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun.

 

[TheHardcase]

Thank God Schwarzenegger won.

Yes, but there will come a time -- probably four years from now -- when the liberals take full control of state government. Then you can kiss private ownership of firearms in California goodbye.

 

[TheHardcase]

I have to wonder, if any fixed-magazine AR has EVER been used in a crime in Cali.

Or, for that matter, the conventional, detachable magazine variety. . .

 

[coyote_jr]

Yes, but there will come a time -- probably four years from now -- when the liberals take full control of state government. Then you can kiss private ownership of firearms in California goodbye.

Then can we kiss California goodbye from the USA?

 

[TheHardcase]

The more pro-Second Amendment people who live-in California the better. To abandon California is to abandon a lot of potential political clout.

With some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, among the highest taxes on all levels, and now with open border amnesty and full citizenship rights for illegals all but assured, it's getting harder and harder to stay.

The question remains: where should we retreat to when the entire country is either now subject to draconian gun laws on a national level, and overrun with invaders from all quarters?

 

[coyote_jr]

How about we take over Canada?

 

[OneIsNone]

Hardcase,

The "border amnesty" is not just a CA issue, but a national one, too. People cross through AZ and TX, as well. Once an individual crosses into the U.S., there is little to prevent him from relocating in any state.

Regarding the Second Amendment, "Where should we retreat to...?" We should not retreat at all--that's my point. When a pro-Constitution person(s) leaves CA, it weakens what strength we do have. This will make it easier and quicker for the antis to achieve their goals.

And for those who want to "kiss California goodbye," or see it divided from the rest of the U.S., how will that benefit your particular state or your cause?

 

[coyote_jr]

And for those who want to "kiss California goodbye," or see it divided from the rest of the U.S., how will that benefit your particular state or your cause?

No more crappy Keaunu Reeves movies?

 

[OneIsNone]

coyote_jr, I must admit, the Keanu factor is one benefit I never considered.

But seriously, CA is not lost, not yet. Excluding Los Angeles and San Francisco, much of the rest of the state is fairly conservative.

A "cancer" spreads rapidly when nothing is done to prevent its spread. The treatment may feel worse than the disease, but fighting is the only hope to reverse, halt, or at least slow the undesired result. Running away or giving-up could only result in one outcome...defeat.

 

[anotherKevin]

In fact, California is quite normal, and mostly rural. The problem is, electorally, the entire state is overwhelmed by the massively dense population of Los Angeles county. Few people factor in just how many people live here, and how horrendously skewed it makes it.

For perspective - my county alone, next door to LA county has 4 times the population of the entire state of Wyoming.

I know Wyoming has the smallest population, but I've seen cars around the block, and standing room only ...

... at the pumpkin patch!

 

[anotherKevin]

Note, I meant dense as in "most closely concentrated", but thinking about it, can also refer to the intelligence level.

 

[kungfuhippie]

New York City is denser than LA (city or county) both meanings. And that state really goes left:banghead:

My county, (biggest in the USA) is very very red. Our sherriff is practically a "shall issue" sherriff. It makes living here a little more tolerable.

 

[TheHardcase]

OneIsNone --

The "border amnesty" is not just a CA issue, but a national one, too. People cross through AZ and TX, as well.

No need to impress this upon me. You're preaching to the choir on this one. It's a full scale invasion all across the southern border.

When a pro-Constitution person(s) leaves CA, it weakens what strength we do have. This will make it easier and quicker for the antis to achieve their goals.

And this Californian isn't going anywhere. Partly because -- as I pointed out in an earlier post -- there's nowhere left to retreat to. But mostly because California is my home, and I don't give up my home just for the momentary convenience of enjoying the gun-friendly laws of other states.

Trust me, if gun confiscation becomes the law of the land in California, it will happen elsewhere as well. And almost certainly if the Dems capture the White House in '08 to make their coup d'etat complete.

And for those who want to "kiss California goodbye," or see it divided
from the rest of the U.S., how will that benefit your particular state
or your cause?

It will give those who live in more gun-accomodating states the smug satisfaction that "It can't happen here." Well, here's a clue for all who believe in that fallacy:

It can.

 

[TheHardcase]

My county, (biggest in the USA) is very very red. Our sherriff is practically a "shall issue" sherriff. It makes living here a little more tolerable.

And I'm enjoying the same level of common sense. Unlike the "next county over" where you have to be Sean Penn to get a concealed carry permit.

 

[OneIsNone]

TheHardcase,

Agreed--100%.

 

[Big Gay Al]

Isn't there some way we could FORCE CA to secede from the Union? Think of it. Pelosi would be OUT of Congress, so would all the other CA reps, and their senators, and we'd likely have a Republican majority again.

Maybe we could get Austria to take them, they already have an Austrian as govenator.

 

[crazed_ss]

Well, I just ordered a Stag-15 lower receiver today.. 125 bucks.

I bought it in the off chance that the DOJ will just give up and ban them. If not, Ill have a paperweight. I guess I could sell it later though if I'm unable to do anything with it. There's no way Im gonna build an AR-15 w/o a pistol grip or a welded shut magazine well.

 

[vynx]

Actually in four years Arnold can run again - the first time he only held a partial term not a full 4 years so it doesn't count.

 

[Big Gay Al]

And this Californian isn't going anywhere. Partly because -- as I pointed out in an earlier post -- there's nowhere left to retreat to. But mostly because California is my home, and I don't give up my home just for the momentary convenience of enjoying the gun-friendly laws of other states.

I did. Actually, I left Indiana for Illinois. I know, I know. I wasn't thinking then. The idea was, Chicago was a "happening" town. Marion, IN was NOT. I was young, and obviously stupid. But in 2001, I left Chicago for Michigan. FYI, 2001 was when Michigan went from may issue to shall issue.

And even though the economy sucks here, I will NOT move back to Chicago. I absolutely refuse. Besides, I can't afford to.

And if I could afford to move, it would not be to Chicago.

Wyoming maybe?

Anyway, CA is the almost last place I'd move to. I have firearms with magazine capacities that exceed their legal limits, and I will not give them up.

Michigan is not Wyoming, but at least we don't have any state mandated AWB.

 

[kungfuhippie]

Isn't there some way we could FORCE CA to secede from the Union? Think of it. Pelosi would be OUT of Congress, so would all the other CA reps, and their senators, and we'd likely have a Republican majority again.

Yeah, sure, and maybe we can sell MI to Canada, you guys voted in a Democrat senator, the congrssional changes are more the midwest's fault! Republicans actually gain seats in the California congress. Listen, people judge California because of LA County, San Francisco, and the Montery-Santa Cruz area. These places are full of dirty no good hippies. Other places are filled with wonderful God-fearing Americans who love freedom, were just out numbered.

Don't worry, We will just rejoin with Mexico along with the rest of Atzlan as soon as amnesty is passed. When (not if) the Mexican invasion becomes an armed conflict all the hippie liberals will see the need of the 2nd Creator endowed Right!

 

[OneIsNone]

Kick-out CA?...Who is next? NJ? MA? NY? IL? And with each victory the antis get bolder, stronger, more confident. And when new antis surface from among the remaining states what happens? Kick-out those states, too? Seems like a path to endless shrinkage, backpedaling and weakness to me. That is exactly what the antis would like to see.

We must unify, not divide. CA is not going anywhere, so you might as well give us your moral support, if nothing else. We are Americans first and Californians second.

Imagine what a powerful ally CA could be nationally if those 53 congressmen, 2 senators and 55 electoral votes had a pro 2nd viewpoint.