California Alert.. SKSs now in danger...

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Jim Diver

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Come to the meeting in person if at all possable. Let's pack that room to overflowing and give them what for.

Not to metion its a real experiance to see the insanity of the DOJ in person.


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CAL-ERT 08/04/06 --- 3:30 PM.
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CALIFORNIA REGULATORY ALERT
This information is accurate at the time this CAL-ERT was written and originally distributed. The NRA Members' Councils of California will keep you informed as the situation changes in Sacramento.


IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!!!

LOCKYER’S NEW PROPOSED “ASSAULT WEAPON” REGULATIONS

COULD DRAMATICALLY EXPAND “ASSAULT WEAPON” LAW.

DOJ NEEDS TO HEAR FROM YOU! NOW!!!

The California Department of Justice has published proposed administrative regulations that could turn thousands of semi-automatic rifles with fixed magazines, previously thought to be legal, into illegal “assault weapons.” The regulation and related information is posted at: www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/awdefnotice0606.html.

The regulation would appear to deem any fixed magazine rifle with one feature prohibited by Penal Code section 12276.1 that could be retrofitted with a detachable magazine an “assault weapon.” The most obvious examples would be SKS type rifles, DSArms FN-FAL series rifles, and any rifle for which an after market detachable magazine retrofit kit is available.

Under Penal Code section 12276.1 (passed as part of SB 23 in 2000), any “semi-automatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine” and any one of the listed features (conspicuously protruding pistol grip, flash suppressor, collapsible stock, etc.) is an “assault weapon.” Since its passage in 2000, “capacity to accept” has been understood to mean a rifle receiver into which a detachable magazine could be inserted in the condition in which it is possessed. So fixed magazine rifles that could be reconfigured or retrofitted to accept an after market detachable magazine, if not actually so configured, were legal.

Then in late June, the DOJ Firearms Division published the proposed new regulations, which would define “capacity to accept” a detachable magazine as:

“capable of accommodating a detachable magazine, but shall not be construed to include a firearm that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate a detachable magazine.”

A bulletin published by DOJ on May 9th explains what DOJ is trying to do. The bulletin says:

“Semiautomatic centerfire rifles that are modified to be temporarily incapable of accepting detachable magazines, but can be restored to accomodate detachable magazines, are assault weapons if they have any of the features listed in section 12276.1(a)(1). The Department intends to exercise its power pursuant to Penal Code section 12276.5(I) to adopt regulations as “necessary and proper to carry out the purpose and intent” of California law to ban assault weapons in the state.”

The bulletin is posted at: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/AWpolicyrev4.pdf

The regulation itself is confusing, despite the fact that regulations are supposed to “clarify” the law. “Capable of accommodating a detachable magazine” seems redundant with “capacity to accept” a detachable magazine. And nothing in the regulation confirms that “permanent alteration” of a detachable magazine is the only way for a magazine to be deemed non-detachable. What about rifles that are originally manufactured with a fixed magazine, but that can be retrofitted with an after market detachable magazine? These rifles were never “altered” at all. And what does means “permanent alteration” mean? Practically any gun can be machined and so “altered” to accept a detachable magazine. In fact, the statute itself doesn’t even use the term “permanently altered” in addressing “detachable magazines,” it only uses that term when discussing “high capacity” magazines.

Nonetheless, the DOJ bulletin makes clear that the regulation is intended to only exclude firearms that are “permanently altered” to only accept a fixed magazine from the “capacity to accept a detachable magazine” definition. So the effect of DOJ’s proposed regulation would be to expand the definition of “assault weapon” to include any rifle with just one of the prohibited features that could be retrofitted with a detachable magazine, even if currently equipped with a fixed magazine. Given the number of after market detachable magazine conversion kits available, and the ability to further machine practically any receiver to accept a detachable magazine, the new regulation could condemn thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of guns!

How did this come about? It started several months ago. Responding to a letter about AR “series” receivers, the DOJ acknowledged that unless an AR or AK receiver is listed in Penal Code section 12276 (the 1989 Roberti-Roos list), or listed by DOJ in the California Code of Regulations (CCR), the receiver is legal. (There is still some debate about whether a receiver by itself is an “assault weapon.” DOJ’s position, naturally, is that it is). This caused an influx of these legal receivers into the state. Concerned about this, DOJ announced it was going to make the receivers illegal by adding them to the “series” list in the CCR. But this would mean DOJ would have to allow them to be registered. When it was pointed out that once registered, the SB 23 prohibited features could then be added to the firearm, the DOJ announced that it would create two classes of “assault weapon” registration, and that the newly registered guns could not have the features. When it was pointed out to DOJ that the law did not provide for two classes of “assault weapon” registration, and that if these guns were registered the features would have to be allowed, DOJ decided not to add the series receivers to the list after all. Instead, this regulation was proposed, and DOJ introduced legislation (AB 2728) that would repeal the regulatory add-on provisions so DOJ would not have to administer that aspect of the law anymore.

Regulations are supposed to clarify the law. And the “assault weapon” statutes need a lot of clarification. But this regulation does not clarify anything and needs to be opposed.

ACTION REQUIRED:

Review the DOJ’s proposal at http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/awdefnotice0606.html direct questions to the Firearms Division at (916) 263-4887, email your comments to [email protected] and/or fax them to his attention at (916) 263-0676.

The Department will hold a public hearing on the proposed regulation beginning at 9:00 a.m. on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 in the Department of Water Resources auditorium located at 1416 9th Street, Sacramento, California. At the hearing, any person may present oral or written comments regarding the proposed regulatory action. The Department requests, but does not require, that persons who make oral comments also submit written copy of their testimony at the hearing.

In your LETTER OF OPPOSITION, be sure to point out that:

The regulation itself raises questions instead of answering them and should be withdrawn or at least rewritten.

The statute (Penal Code section 12276.1) does not require a firearm to be permanently altered to only accept a fixed magazine – the “permanently altered” language only applies to “high capacity” magazines

The regulation is contrary to what DOJ has lead people to believe about how to make their guns legal.

Many fixed magazine guns can be retrofitted with a detachable magazine -- which would make them illegal.

”Permanent alteration” should be defined. But given modern machining capabilities, no firearm is ever “permanently altered” to only accept a fixed magazine.

The regulation would deem any fixed magazine rifle with a one feature prohibited by Penal Code section 12276.1 that could be retrofitted with a detachable magazine an “assault weapon.” There are many of these rifles in California.

The most obvious examples would be SKS type rifles, DSArms FN-FAL series rifles, and any rifle for which an after market detachable magazine retrofit kit is available.

People were mislead to believe that by putting a fixed magazine of their rifle they were in compliance with the law.

People were not told they needed to register these guns as “assault weapons” and the registration period has now expired.
 
By this logic, they could publish a further regulation that if your firearm is capable of being modified to accept any feature prohibited then it would become illegal. So if you could, for instance, put a stock with a pistol grip on your firearm it is de facto illegal, even if the stock is not in your possession or installed.

Welcome to 1984. Your thoughtcrime and use of badspeak has been duly noted, citizen. The Thought Police will be around to pick you up for your criminal intent shortly.
 
THe explicitive that i feel like shouting right now........ gahhhh

After all the trouble I go through to be within the law, a nice law abiding guy who enjoys guns as a hobby.... THIS is how I'm treated... my sks? my AR? I suffered through not attaching my collection of detachable magazines on my sks... I haven't put a pistol grip on my AR (even though it makes it very hard to aim and opporate.

I actually took the pistol grip stock off of my mini 14 (It had a choate stock back from before it was 'evil')

When will they stop tilting windmills..... gahhhhh I'm writing them an email...
 
CA used to be a decent place to live but now with all the millions of Mexicans and crazy gun laws, why bother? I live in Indiana and it sucks but at least for a little while longer, it is still gun friendly and most people speak English.

I used to live in Katy TX and while they are gun friendly, the Mexicans have already taken over there. I have no problem with Mexicans really, it is just that when there are too many of them, they turn a place into Mexico. Why leave Mexico just to turn where to go to into the same place? I thought they left for a better place, why bring the bad things with you?
 
One mistake. They cant repeal the regulatory add-on provisions. Those provisions didnt arise from statute in the first place. They arose because the original statute was unconstitutionally vague and didnt forewarn that punishable acts were illegal. The add-on provision was created by the court in Harrot v County of Kings to save the flawed law.

The only allowable change would be further restrict the methods by which specific weapons are added to the "assault weapons" classification. At the very least, they can retain the classification if the AG publishes his additions and allows time for owners to become informed of the new restrictions. They are already as close to the due process line as they can get.

The best hope of the antis in CA is to pass a new assault weapons statute that creates multiple classes of weapons and restrict modifications from one class to another. For some reason this hasnt happened yet. Presumably the CA legislature is distracted by something else or they are not as antigun as generally assumed. In any case, I am continuously amazed there are still gun owners in CA.
 
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I've argued this on Calguns.. I dont see how the SKS is in danger. SKS's sold in CA have fixed magazines that are permanent for all intents and purposes.

The DOJ doesnt care about the SKS.. they already have it covered as any SKS w/ a detachable mag is already illegal anyway.

The purpose of this new change is to target Off List Lowers.. The issue is not the SKS.

A couple months ago everyone thought the DOJ was gonna declare the OLL's as AWs and everyone would end up getting fully functional AR-15's. I theorized that they wouldnt list as there was no reason to.. I was right about that. I suspect Ill be right about this too. We'll see though.
 
If this stuff keeps going on in California.....it'll only take time before it starts spreading to the rest of the country.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, thats why the national AWB died, thats why there are only two states left without any form of CCW, thats why "castle doctrine" and "stand your ground laws" are passing all over the place.


I'm sorry, I don't buy the "everything in California spreads to the rest of the country" meme any more.



At any rate, I wish you Californians luck fighting this stuff.
 
Yeah, thats why the national AWB died, thats why there are only two states left without any form of CCW, thats why "castle doctrine" and "stand your ground laws" are passing all over the place.

And as easily as the state giveth, the state can taketh away. ;)

I would agree that CA doesn't influence the rest of the country (other than
having the largest single economy among the states), but expect a new AWB
ban with the next president (or two) and her Hill. Likewise, single states
can restrict, or eliminate, CCW altogether just like what has been done in
the past. Better yet, let the feds enact some CCW *standards* for the
states to follow (like every other national standards they do) and they can
just make it really difficult to get or retain CCW. Sure, it'll get challenged
and then the SCOTUS can just rubber stamp the standards. Easy as pie.

But, I'd like to be wrong on all that. Maybe we'll see the 1986 "new" machine
gun ban repealed by a future republican president (I know, try not to laugh)
and we'll be on par with the firearms rights that the Phillipinos can now
apparently enjoy......
 
The purpose of this new change is to target Off List Lowers.. The issue is not the SKS.

... for now. Here they are practically banning 30,000 receivers without giving anyone a chance to grandafther them in, after they said they were legal, all somehow without the legislature passing a new bill. Hell, why not just allow the DOJ to write all firearms laws itself? It's all just "regulatory" anyway--so much easier than having to go through that pesky legislature.

And don't forget, there are 58 DAs who could use this to bust (even if only to harass) anyone they don't like with an SKS. Not to mention any cop who doesn't fully understand SB23 and the related court cases, and recent DOJ memos--which is nearly all of them. Not to mention confusing the simpleton clerks who answer the phones at the Firearms Division.

Someone needs to really get going on those non-pistol grip ARs. It will be really amusing to watch the DOJ ban that, not that I doubt they'd try to do it.
 
”Permanent alteration” should be defined. But given modern machining capabilities, no firearm is ever “permanently altered” to only accept a fixed magazine.

I understand the logic of this. I don't think it should be used with the California DOJ.

Seems to me the California DOJ could gleefully accept this and then, since no firearm can ever be "permanently altered" to only accept a fixed magazine...ban all repeating rifles. Even bolt actions as they can be altered to accept detachable magazines.

I feel for you people in California.

I don't think California is still quite the trendsetter it-and the rest of the country-is used to it being. Many in the rest of the country-including other states' legislators-have been watching the unintended consequences of the path California has taken. The steadily increasing flight of business...and population. The cost of living. The taxes. The budget deficit. The attraction of segments of population from other states that, frankly, the other states were glad to see go.

California is still a bellwether state-unfortunately, it is rapidly becoming a beacon to other states of what not to do and what roads not to take.

For example, one of the wealthiest economies in the world-larger than the economies of most nations-cannot even produce its own electricity requirements-due to its own policies? And can't seem to find the answer to the problem?

Watch your residents of Chinese ancestry. When large numbers of them begin to leave, it'll be time to leave, too. They won't be leaving until they're convinced there are better opportunities elsewhere.

For those of you who love California and want to stay and fight...don't just focus on RKBA. California could turn to Vermont carry, NFA friendly, and ban the Brady Campaign tomorrow and it wouldn't touch problems just as big.

From the outside, it appears as if the people running the state are firmly in control and are too stubborn or arrogant to admit that their policies are having harmful unintended consequences. And it appears they have the support of a majority of the state. I hope I'm wrong. Not just because I don't want to see bad things happen to California. California's economy is big enough that if it were to crash suddenly, it would pull the economy of the rest of the nation into at least an extremely severe recession...if not outright depression.
 
If this stuff keeps going on in California.....it'll only take time before it starts spreading to the rest of the country.

If it did it would come here first but it doesn't. The state took away the power of localities to impose their own restrictions, so all the liberals that move to Vegas cannot change anything. Full autos for all! :D
 
If it did it would come here first but it doesn't. The state took away the power of localities to impose their own restrictions, so all the liberals that move to Vegas cannot change anything. Full autos for all!

Mom, I'm going to go play with the guys next door.
 
I love NV

any time I need to smell stale urine and get hassled for change
(and eat at a good burrito place) I can visit Frisco...& then go back to NV
and blast at tin cans with my pals class three MP5!!:cool: :D
 
I may be a cassandra, but I suspect the tightening gun laws have a lot to do with the establishment wanting to keep down the influx of immigrants like in so many occupied territories.
 
The problem with sks's is if they have detachable mags are already listed as assault weapons in california. Keltec su-16s aren't assault weapons(except the "C" models.) Now if non detachable mag sks's are declared capable of using detachable mags all the "legal" sks's become assault weapons. Mark
 
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