Can I shoot my new Cimarron/Uberti 1851 Navy even though it has a short arbor?

You should see some of the prices in Tombstone, Az. Pocket pistols are really expensive as well as Walkers. Yet they sell a good handful of them. I think most buyers are from states that are off the rails with gun restrictions, and a lot of them buy to look at rather than shoot.
 
I wouldn't give that for one no matter how good it was.
If it was on the same level as one that has been gone over by Mike or Jack, that would be more than reasonable. We spend $3-$400.00 on them no matter how bad they are. !! Maybe $550.00 if it was built and timed correctly and had no issues. One can't (I don't think, haven't checked prices lately) can't get a modern Colt, Ruger or S&W for that price. And I am hearing more than a few horror stories about brand new modern/cartridge revolvers lately.

Perhaps the way for the Italians to do it would be to have "custom shop" guns that were of high quality, and priced higher like some companies do/used to do. ? Throw in some extras like exotic wood grips, some engraving, whatever. ? Of course that might be an admission that their regular guns off the line suck. :rofl:
 
Yes, the gun can be shot with a short arbor, with no significant damage, for a while - probably. How long is "a while"? I don't know. I've put hundreds of shots through such guns without problem, and later fixed the short arbor with perfect success. Of course, my experience is not universal, and it may well be that some guns can be damaged by such use.

I personally no longer shoot these guns prior to fixing them, and recommend the same practice to everyone else.
I have an Uberti Army I shot for quite a while “unfixed”. From the early 1960’s til 2018 or so. This has always been one of my favorite handguns so it’s been fired a lot, it’s pretty much an everyday carry around home. When I leave it’s always in the truck loaded and ready with full charge loads under round ball or conical bullets. I fitted an arbor spacer to it in 2018 (I think…) and it hasn’t torn itself apart from either condition. I can say that this pistol fired over 500 full power shots per year over a span of sixty some years and did no damage to itself. The floor on the other hand, could stand to be sanded and refinished.
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If it was on the same level as one that has been gone over by Mike or Jack, that would be more than reasonable. We spend $3-$400.00 on them no matter how bad they are. !! Maybe $550.00 if it was built and timed correctly and had no issues. One can't (I don't think, haven't checked prices lately) can't get a modern Colt, Ruger or S&W for that price. And I am hearing more than a few horror stories about brand new modern/cartridge revolvers lately.

Perhaps the way for the Italians to do it would be to have "custom shop" guns that were of high quality, and priced higher like some companies do/used to do. ? Throw in some extras like exotic wood grips, some engraving, whatever. ? Of course that might be an admission that their regular guns off the line suck. :rofl:
The only reason, that I can think of, that a percussion revolver doesn't have to cost as much as a centerfire revolver is that the percussion cylinder doesn't have to be as strong - but even high-quality heat-treated steel isn't that much more expensive...

Conversely, any of us who bought a centerfire revolver that was as badly put together as the typical Uberti/Pietta would be here on THR screaming bloody murder: "I'll never buy from that company again!!!" etc.

Good guns cost what they cost. The only way around that, as far as I can tell, is to learn how to do the work yourself. Otherwise, you're stuck either with a cheap toy, or a $500-$600 dollar gun, after all the expenses are totted up.
 
I have an Uberti Army I shot for quite a while “unfixed”. From the early 1960’s til 2018 or so. This has always been one of my favorite handguns so it’s been fired a lot, it’s pretty much an everyday carry around home. When I leave it’s always in the truck loaded and ready with full charge loads under round ball or conical bullets. I fitted an arbor spacer to it in 2018 (I think…) and it hasn’t torn itself apart from either condition. I can say that this pistol fired over 500 full power shots per year over a span of sixty some years and did no damage to itself. The floor on the other hand, could stand to be sanded and refinished.
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This would be a different post if woodnbow was talking about a Dragoon or Walker. I don't really understand this type of post but if folks would be happy shooting an open-top not built to design (as many are shot that way) that's fine, we all did . . . therefore, like me, I bought a lot of wedges for my Walker and Dragoons because they were beat to death. Since I've learned about a correct build, I've not had to replace 1. So, if you get away with not correcting the setup that's great but that's not going to be the same experience across the board. Factory tolerances vary enough that some revolvers can't be cycled more than 50 times before the hammer cam is heavily damaged or totally inoperable . . . that doesn't mean they're all like that.

I'll just say, I've never had anyone tell me to do all the service for the close mechanical tolerances I do but don't correct the arbor . . . it just wouldn't make sense.

Mike
 
I have an Uberti Army I shot for quite a while “unfixed”. From the early 1960’s til 2018 or so. This has always been one of my favorite handguns so it’s been fired a lot, it’s pretty much an everyday carry around home. When I leave it’s always in the truck loaded and ready with full charge loads under round ball or conical bullets. I fitted an arbor spacer to it in 2018 (I think…) and it hasn’t torn itself apart from either condition. I can say that this pistol fired over 500 full power shots per year over a span of sixty some years and did no damage to itself. The floor on the other hand, could stand to be sanded and refinished.
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Dang that looks like mine. Also my favorite for going outside for whatever. Pretty much my favorite revolver.
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Dang that looks like mine. Also my favorite for going outside for whatever. Pretty much my favorite revolver.
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Uberti made very few of the 5.5” 1860 Army’s or the 1861 Navy. I lucked into this one as a youngster, the Navy somewhat later. Uberti has never built many of the short barreled guns, Colt didn’t either but if the c&b era had lasted longer they would have been more popular.


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“But Uglies pistol was broke! Especially that little pocket pistol.“
So was this Pietta, til @Jackrabbit1957 fixed it!

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Uberti has never built many of the short barreled guns, Colt didn’t either but if the c&b era had lasted longer they would have been more popular.

Can you provide proof of that? I have never seen any mention of Colt ever making a 5.5 1860 or 51 navy.
 
“But Uglies pistol was broke! Especially that little pocket pistol.“
My 1860 used to lose loading lever latches, or the lever/rammer would drop from recoil, and I struggled with that for years. About the time I got it right, I tried 777 in it, and on the second cylinder load-up it chain fired and blew another latch off the barrel, along with the front sight.

In frustration, I tried brazing a latch on, which warped the end of the barrel, and accuracy went totally away. (something to do with the end of the barrel being bright red hot by the time I was done. ya think?) So then I cut it down to 6", got the dove-tail for the latch cut right, and soldered it in. That finally cured the whole loading lever/rammer latch problem. However, the pistol kind of cycled "weird", hammer came back a good 1/4" or more after it locked up, and it had the adjustable barrel/cylinder gap, depending on how far one tapped the wedge in. !!!!

Then I sent it to Jack, who gave it the works, and yeah, now it's like a fine tuned S&W revolver from the 1950's.
 
Can you provide proof of that? I have never seen any mention of Colt ever making a 5.5 1860 or 51 navy.
I don’t have proof at hand but it’s mentioned in Pates book. I loaned my copy out.
 

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I get that but some of these "fixes" are not necessary to run the gun.
Well, what is "necessary" is a slippery slope, most debatable. Using an antique car as an analogy, there is a lot of things you can do to one to improve it's performance and reliability, that are not necessary to get it to run, and go from point "a" to point "b". A paint job is not necessary. (my '48 is in primer, and you could not pay me enough to paint it. !!!) Dual carbs are not necessary, but my engine sure runs better with them, and gets better mpg. Lowering the front with stiffer springs was not necessary, but it rides better, steers better, etc. Shaving the head? A few extra ponies is/was not necessary. So some of the fixes are not necessary for sure, but they sure do improve the pistol. They make it a "better" pistol.

So I would agree, "better" or "improved", or increased reliability is not necessary. Yes, just running the gun, shooting it on the range at paper, beer cans (hopefully not on the range!) pine cones, rocks, heck one could accept one chamber out of six going off, and that one cap-jamming to boot. But we don't accept that with our cartridge revolvers. Your Smith&Wesson or Ruger jams once in a while? Okay no big deal. It didn't cost much. D0'H!!!

Okay, getting too windy here. !!!
 
One can certainly argue that these pistols will work outta the box, but the question comes up as to how satisfied are you with it's reliability and accuracy? I demand a lot of my pistols in the accuracy end and I don't want them trying to self destruct even it's only a tiny bit. So I fix them. And if I can offer others the same help so much the better.
 
"Satisfaction", that's a good way to put it. I guess we all vary in what degree of satisfaction we desire. Some, gun works, only cap-jams once in a while, or great while. Maybe the loading lever only drops once every leap-year. Maybe the cylinder does not index, once in a very great while. No big deal. For me, if I have a gang of wolves closing in on me, I won't be very satisfied if the pistol works any less than 100%. :)
 
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