Carry all the time, video reminder.

[Lnf Crzr]

Maybe so...but there are other avenues for this, namely informing the appropriate authorities first or, perhaps if you know the owners, notifying them.

Yes...some people are dirtbag pet owners. And possibly they'll take any such notifications about their dog(s) with less sincerity than they should. But responsible pet owners aren't that way. Certainly I know I take my role as a pet owner very seriously and the idea that my pet may have placed someone else in danger would not have me brushing it off lightly. The very fact that my pet was outside of my control in the first place would be a serious matter for me, even if he was the friendliest thing this side of Casper.

Like it or not...if you take such matters into your own hands, you may very well find yourself in court on the wrong side of the law.

If you can safely disengage...then do so.

100% agree

 

[Buzznrose]

Maybe so...but there are other avenues for this, namely informing the appropriate authorities first or, perhaps if you know the owners, notifying them.

Yes...some people are dirtbag pet owners. And possibly they'll take any such notifications about their dog(s) with less sincerity than they should. But responsible pet owners aren't that way. Certainly I know I take my role as a pet owner very seriously and the idea that my pet may have placed someone else in danger would not have me brushing it off lightly. The very fact that my pet was outside of my control in the first place would be a serious matter for me, even if he was the friendliest thing this side of Casper.

Like it or not...if you take such matters into your own hands, you may very well find yourself in court on the wrong side of the law.

If you can safely disengage...then do so.

Maybe. But self defense is self defense. I do not take shooting/killing any animal lightly.

Tell me, if it were a rogue 75 lbs cougar, 200 pound hog, or 300 pound bear, would you act differently? Try and shoo it off? And later on, if it found your neighbor’s kid and tore them up, would you have regrets?

Dangerous dog/hog/cat/snake/gator…needs to be dealt with. Animals are not above human life.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

If it was “I, or My family “ that was being attacked- Yes.

Self defense against a Mammal when my life is in jeopardy, Certainly allows for Justification.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

When one is attacked...yes, defense is required to the level required to protect oneself of others. And yes...this may mean the use of deadly force is actually required BEFORE an attack actually takes place. I understand this and fully support this.

And we can certainly make up as many different scenarios as required to support this or that viewpoint.

However, making up hypothetical scenarios to support this or that viewpoint is not the same as a real life encounter that are going to have specific, and unique, circumstances which will dictate one's actual response.

Hypothetical scenarios should be thought of not as absolutes (or as someone else once put it, excuses to use deadly force), but as exercises in determining what an appropriate action would be.

Certainly, if deadly force is required in defense of an attack...then by all means apply it as required.

But the plain fact of the matter is that most potentially violent animal encounters to NOT require the use of deadly force just as than most potentially violent human encounters do not require it.

You cannot simply write a blank check and say "this is the required course of action any time an animal attack happens of is imminent".

 

[Buzznrose]

When one is attacked...yes, defense is required to the level required to protect oneself of others. And yes...this may mean the use of deadly force is actually required BEFORE an attack actually takes place. I understand this and fully support this.

And we can certainly make up as many different scenarios as required to support this or that viewpoint.

However, making up hypothetical scenarios to support this or that viewpoint is not the same as a real life encounter that are going to have specific, and unique, circumstances which will dictate one's actual response.

Hypothetical scenarios should be thought of not as absolutes (or as someone else once put it, excuses to use deadly force), but as exercises in determining what an appropriate action would be.

Certainly, if deadly force is required in defense of an attack...then by all means apply it as required.

But the plain fact of the matter is that most potentially violent animal encounters to NOT require the use of deadly force just as than most potentially violent human encounters do not require it.

You cannot simply write a blank check and say "this is the required course of action any time an animal attack happens of is imminent".

I agree with these statements. Well said. But we are sentient beings. We can think beyond “now” and look at trends and repeated events.

Do you realize how many people were killed by dogs (mostly pit bulls if you look at the numbers) that were already flagged by earlier instances of dangerous, aggressive behavior? I don’t know specifically how many, but I’ve followed these attacks over the years and repeat offenders, as in humans, is common.

If I’m attacked by a cocker spaniel or even a lab, I’d probably do whatever I could to not kill the animal. But a pit bull? It would not get nearly as much leeway before catching a bullet.

For the record, I’ve never killed a dog. Even dogs I caught in coyote traps, which were all released unharmed, even if it took me 20 minutes to calm them down.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I agree with these statements. Well said. But we are sentient beings. We can think beyond “now” and look at trends and repeated events.

Do you realize how many people were killed by dogs (mostly pit bulls if you look at the numbers) that were already flagged by earlier instances of dangerous, aggressive behavior? I don’t know specifically how many, but I’ve followed these attacks over the years and repeat offenders, as in humans, is common.

If I’m attacked by a cocker spaniel or even a lab, I’d probably do whatever I could to not kill the animal. But a pit bull? It would not get nearly as much leeway before catching a bullet.

For the record, I’ve never killed a dog. Even dogs I caught in coyote traps, which were all released unharmed, even if it took me 20 minutes to calm them down.

Indeed, this goes along with a previous post I made. There is a world of difference between a cocker spaniel and a pit bull. And that itself can very well be one legitimate factor in the determination on whether or not deadly force would be used on an aggressive/attacking dog.

 

[Kleanbore]

This is not about dogs.

 

[Tinman357]

No, it isn't about dogs. Its about any event that would cause a reasonable person to be in fear of death or great bodily harm. I made my descision long ago, I WILL NOT SUFFER HARM TO ME OR MINE WITHOUT A FIGHT. I hope to be able to articulate that reasonable fear to a court room of people who don't know me and weren't there when I was confronted with the weight of that descision.

I will back away, apologise, take the high road in every "hairy" situation that I possibly can. If I can walk away, I will. I will swallow my pride, abandon my ego. I will run away if I can and even scurry away with my tail tucked in apparent shame and cowardice.

Whatever it takes to not have to pull that trigger. But I will not be harmed nor will I allow my family to suffer harm at the hands of some critter, human or otherwise, that sees me as a weak victim.

I just hope to never have that final option forced on me.

Again.

 

[scaatylobo]

Man attacked by pit bulls, saved by neighbors.
Having a gun on person would have been advantageous.

GREAT VIDEO and 2 really GREAT MEN !!!.

Bless you both for being what I grew up to know as MEN !!!.

 

[old lady new shooter]

GREAT VIDEO and 2 really GREAT MEN !!!.

Bless you both for being what I grew up to know as MEN !!!.

That's how I felt watching it also.