Pit Bull Rampage

[pauli]

dogs are the reason i've got a loaded shotgun in the house. not too worried about people around here - but a dog attack at the school bus stops outside my house does concern me.

 

[Lupinus]

main reason my uncle got a gun was he lives in the country and there are some wild dogs around.

 

[joab]

Accidents still happen. They will always happen

Where have I refuted this:banghead:

Do you deny that safety regulations have decreased the number and severity of injuries caused by auto and work place accidents

Individuals have a right to get even with those that harm them.

And this is somehow more important than taking measures to prevent that harm?
Or is it just that getting even is so much more macho.

dogs are the reason i've got a loaded shotgun in the house. not too worried about people around here - but a dog attack at the school bus stops outside my house does concern me.

If a dog is attacking a small child how much good is a shotgun going to be.

 

[joab]

I took out my folder, blade up and resigned myself to the fact I was going to be hurt really bad, but the dog was going to die. The plan was to try to sucker the dog into grabbing my left arm , and stick the knife in at it's balls and cut till I hit the ribcage

,If you know that you are going to be bit anyway it makes sense to choose what he gets to bite

 

[Warren]

Where have I refuted this:banghead:

Do you deny that safety regulations have decreased the number and severity of injuries caused by auto and work place accidents

And this is somehow more important than taking measures to prevent that harm?
Or is it just that getting even is so much more macho.

The value of gov regulations has not been proven. A persuasive argument that they do more harm than good can (and has, elsewhere) be made. Though this is not the thread or the forum for that.


It is not about "macho" it is about the natural right of a harmed individual to get retribution. It need not be physical, it could be financial. It is up to the harmed person to decide which route to take.

 

[joab]

It is not about "macho" it is about the natural right of a harmed individual to get retribution. It need not be physical, it could be financial. It is up to the harmed person to decide which route to take.

well you would at least have that satisfaction every time you look at your child's ruined face.
And when you go into their room to comfort them from the trauma induced nightmare you can console them by telling them how big the cash award will be.


If you have a large dog you must have a suitable fenced enclosure.
If you do not have a suitable fenced enclosure you would be subject to the same criminal penalties as you would if your dog bites someone now.

Tell me how that will not work or how it some how violates anybodys rights.
Tell me how imposing bans or shooting it out with dogs in the neighborhood is a better option

 

[silverlance]

personally,

i think that the cali-crap foisted on gun owners would be put to better use on dog owners. i own a relatively large dog, about 80lbs, and i would totally understand the gov making me take a "class" like HSC and making me prove that i have proper enclosures of at least 4" in height all around.

I should also have to prove an immunization record, and i should also be required to "chip" the dog (for many, many, reasons).

then again, maybe i am required to do all these things, but since my dog is a rescue, i don't have any idea. hehe.


Ps: i already do all these things; any dog of mine that bites anyone innocent will be a dead dog by sunset, however much i love that dog.

 

[Warren]

well you would at least have that satisfaction every time you look at your child's ruined face.
And when you go into their room to comfort them from the trauma induced nightmare you can console them by telling them how big the cash award will be.


If you have a large dog you must have a suitable fenced enclosure.
If you do not have a suitable fenced enclosure you would be subject to the same criminal penalties as you would if your dog bites someone now.

Tell me how that will not work or how it some how violates anybodys rights.
Tell me how imposing bans or shooting it out with dogs in the neighborhood is a better option

Shooting it out WITH dogs? Damn, that is a tough neighborhood.

My way means that there is less gov involvement, which is always a plus.


And why do you assume my child will be injured or that your fencing regs will prevent it?

Do we agree that if your methods fail to stop an attack I have the right to go after the dog owner?

BTW (and OT) this is a link to a different view on traffic regs.

 

[Biker]

I kinda glanced through this thread and I havta call BS on the genetic thing. A dog will conduct itself as it is trained, and the burden falls on the owner. A pit is no more a 'assault dog' than is a AR-15 a assault rifle.
Incidentally, I've never owned a pit or a rotty, but I know dogs. I can train a poodle to be a killer or turn a pit into a pussycat. It has little to do with the breed.
Biker

 

[Warren]

i think that the cali-crap foisted on gun owners would be put to better use on dog owners. i own a relatively large dog, about 80lbs, and i would totally understand the gov making me take a "class" like HSC and making me prove that i have proper enclosures of at least 4" in height all around.

I should also have to prove an immunization record, and i should also be required to "chip" the dog (for many, many, reasons).

then again, maybe i am required to do all these things, but since my dog is a rescue, i don't have any idea. hehe.

Giving gov more rules to enforce is not the answer.

Ps: i already do all these things; any dog of mine that bites anyone innocent will be a dead dog by sunset, however much i love that dog.

Good first step. Be prepared to shell out some cash as well.

 

[Lupinus]

I kinda glanced through this thread and I havta call BS on the genetic thing. A dog will conduct itself as it is trained, and the burden falls on the owner. A pit is no more a 'assault dog' than is a AR-15 a assault rifle.
Incidentally, I've never owned a pit or a rotty, but I know dogs. I can train a poodle to be a killer or turn a pit into a pussycat. It has little to do with the breed.
Biker

Nothing to do with genetics? That Im sorry my friend is BS. When you breed an animal for aggressivness that is genetic plain and simple. And animal that has had aggressivness bred into it is a GENETIC trait. It has zero to do with training in some cases. Sure any dog can be trained to attack, but which takes to it more naturally?

 

[joab]

And why do you assume my child will be injured or that your fencing regs will prevent it?

History shows that the majority of dog attacks involve dogs that have gotten free or children have had too easy access to where the dogs are.

A proper fence would have prevented this attack, or do you dispute that

Do we agree that if your methods fail to stop an attack I have the right to go after the dog owner

where have I suggested otherwise.
If you read my post responding to another states vicious dog rules you will see that my views are much less tolerant.

Do you deny that keeping dogs in proper enclosures greatly lessens if not eliminates the possibility of them attacking an innocent party.

Do you dispute that securing the fence from the outside as well as inside will prevent children from inadvertently entering the dogs enclosure/territory

I have many more conditions that would put on owners of large dogs in my kingdom, the fence is one of the most minor

 

[Warren]

History shows that the majority of dog attacks involve dogs that have gotten free or children have had too easy access to where the dogs are.

A proper fence would have prevented this attack, or do you dispute that







Do you deny that keeping dogs in proper enclosures greatly lessens if not eliminates the possibility of them attacking an innocent party.

Do you dispute that securing the fence from the outside as well as inside will prevent children from inadvertently entering the dogs enclosure/territory

No times 3. Need it be by government mandate? Is there a better way?

I have many more conditions that would put on owners of large dogs in my kingdom, the fence is one of the most minor

Your property, your rules.

the problem is this mixture of commons and private property that we have. If it was all private property many of these prblems would disappear.

 

[ziadel]

wow, theres some really ignorant people on this board...

 

[JeepDriver]

Crap like that is why there is a loaded Glock/Sig in my night stand and close by at all times.

If that were my wife, niece/nephew or (if I had one) child, there would be no doubt what would happen.

 

[rem]

"Only good Pit Bull is a dead one."

"I hate pitbulls."

"I will admit tho I have little or no wish to see such dogs - anywhere."

"They are usless animals bred for nothing more then to kill."

"only good use is in soups and stews..."

ad nauseam

Good thing none of you people run things. Makes me sick. Sounds exactly like those ignorant Brady fools.

 

[joab]

I kinda glanced through this thread and I havta call BS on the genetic thing. A dog will conduct itself as it is trained, and the burden falls on the owner. A pit is no more a 'assault dog' than is a AR-15 a assault rifle.
Incidentally, I've never owned a pit or a rotty, but I know dogs. I can train a poodle to be a killer or turn a pit into a pussycat. It has little to do with the breed.

Yes and no

Throw a ball a just about any lab you come across, he will chase it and bring it back whether he has been trained or not.

Ever notice how people generally regard chihuahuas as spawns of Satan it's because almost all of them have nasty attitudes.

Most of my customers over the years have had dogs, and since most of them live in neighborhoods like Isleworth and Bayhill they have pure breds.

I can almost judge how a dog will act by the breed.
I am more worried sbout Cockers than any other breed because I've been bitten by them more than any other breed

Pits can be trained to be aggressive towards humans and the problem with that is for centuries or posibly just decades, only alphas were bred.

When you have a large alpha dog that has been taught, contrary to it's breeding, to be human aggressive it will just as likely bite you or the other human members of the pack as fast as it will attack outsider animals or humans that it sees as invaders

Pits are not good guard dogs, they have no off switch and they are too terriotorial.
Once the fight has started they will do every thing in their power to end it their way.

 

[oneshooter]

In my mind a Pit bull dog is a time bomb waiting to go off, and nobody knows when. With this in mind I will not let my children around them. If one hurts my child it will DIE, and the owner will never see the way out of the trouble he will have.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

 

[joab]

Need it be by government mandate? Is there a better way?

The next falling star you see make a wish that every one will take responsibility for their actions and the actions of their animals.
let me know how it works out.

you rail against my suggestions of government involvement in enforcing responsible dog ownership but then you talk of using the government courts to penalize the person who failed to use those same minimal precautions.

And some, not sure if it was you, suggest government jail time for violating government laws violated by their dogs actions, some again even suggest stronger government laws to penalized the owners

it's all proaction versus reaction.
The very definition of reaction means you failed to fully anticipate and safeguard against the action

 

[LAR-15]

I own a pitbull and two other dogs.

However if someone shoots my pit , a 4 month old mange weakened puppy, they will be shot at back. I found it along the road. Heck my brother found one of my other dogs along the road.

Why is it people in this thread posture like vigilantes claiming they'll go around at night and kill any dog they don't like within a 500 mile radius of their house??

And kill the owner's too?

 

[LAR-15]

Nevermind.

 

[joab]

If one hurts my child it will DIE, and the owner will never see the way out of the trouble he will have.

This brings up something that is interesting to me.
What if it is found that your child is at fault?

If he had been taunting the dog for days or even weeks and this day he pissed the dog off enough to break through it's enclosure.

Or if your child threw a ball into the yard and decided that he could out run the dog.

What if your child is hanging out with the stupid fat girl and her brother from down the street .
Even though the dog's owner has put up a separate gate to lock the dog in the now separated back yard, because he caught the little bitch throwing rocks at the dog a few days after he caught her nitwitted brother trying to hit the dog with a mop handle by standing on a bucket and reaching over the fence to swing at the dog.
Now they decide to trespass on the next door neighbors yard in order to throw eggs at the dog while the brother stands on a bucket trying to hit the dog with a now shorter mop handle
They're doing all this after the owner has gone to talk to the parents of the children and also the police.
If the dogs gets a hold of one of them who's fault is it?
Are you still coming down to my house to kill my dog?
are you expecting me not to shoot back?
Just thought I would put that last one in there to get in on the testosteronefest

 

[P95Carry]

Hey!!! As Pax mentioned earlier - strategies and tactics is the deal primarily.

As ever, inevitably it seems - things get heated on Pit/dog threads and this is going the way of most. There are strong feelings on both sides but - only so much need be aired here.

Keep it cool or the thread will close.

 

[LAR-15]

Joab,

Quit making sense.

Next thing you'll know they will want to ban white-tailed deer because one might jump through their child's bedroom window and go wild.

Or coyotes (a type of DOG) because they might drag little kids off into the brush and eat them.

 

[onerifle]

It amazes me how much misinformation is floating around about the breed.
It's as if some of you were reading press releases written by Sarah Brady...



1). Pitbulls need not be 'trained' to fight, no matter how much some choose to believe otherwise. Some dogs are animal aggressive at an early age, some after adulthood, some never become animal aggressive, and some will only become aggressive in response to aggression by another animal. I have seen puppies go after adult dogs at the age of four weeks. My dog only showed an inclination to go after larger dogs, never my daughter's cats, and not once did she ever show any aggression toward people in nearly 16 years. She was a awful guard dog, but an unfailingly loyal part of the family.

2).There is zero correlation between a dog's aggression toward animals, and a dog's aggression toward humans. Trust me- the dogs know the difference. It's a shame some people cannot.

3). Pitbulls have been bred to fight for at least a couple hundred years. Until they became the 'canine du jour' in inner cities and general ne'er do wells, they were never bred to be aggressive toward people- they were not bred that way since a fighting dog that showed any aggression toward people was at least, a liability, at worst, a danger to those handling them. People aggressive dogs were put down immmediately, even if they were good "pit" dogs.

4). The majority of what passes for "pitbulls" nowadays is a shadow of a once great breed. In the past, most dogs would run 45-50 pounds, tops, with big dogs running near 60. Where do you think the cliche "it ain't the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" got coined? Since the breed has been perverted by gangstas, 60-70 pound dogs are the norm, with some weighing over 100 pounds. Many, if not most, show aggression toward people.

All to impress the 'homies'.

The dogs that are responsible for unprovoked attacks on people, especially kids, are pitbulls only in name.

Any dog that initiates an unprovoked attack on a human should be confined. Any breed capable of causing grave harm to to a human being that initiates an unprovoked attack on a human being should be terminated with extreme prejudice.

The "let me offer my weak arm" scenario is useless with pitbulls, or any other large breed that has some physical strength. If a large dog, pitbull or otherwise gets a good hold on your arm, you are in serious trouble.

In addition to my ccw, I carry Fox Labs OC. I am prepared to use either in response to an unprovoked canine attack.

I find this thread to be remarkably similar in tone to a "hunting rifle" vs. "assault rifle" thread....