Carrying and Gun Safety

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One of the first rules of gun safety is to never point the gun at anything you would not want to be destroyed. Yet, when carrying, invariably the gun will point in undesirable directions. How do you not occasionally have your dog cross by close to you and come into the path of the gun? How about if you sit down and now the gun in the pocket holster is almost horizontal and possibly pointing at someone nearby. What if you sit on the ground, back against a wall or tree, and knees up so the gun points at an upward angle and people are walking by. If you are on a hillside and the gun in holster points at someone below? Or a shoulder holster could have it pointing at people all the time if the holster stores the gun horizontally. Or for the ladies, purse carry (hope she has a holster and not have it triggered by stuff floating around inside the purse).
 
This is actually a decent question and it underscores why the following two factors are absolutely critical to safe carry.

1. A properly designed holster in good condition.
2. A properly designed handgun in good condition.

A properly designed holster must completely safe the gun. That is, it must make it totally impossible to operate the controls of the firearm while it is holstered.

A properly designed gun must be completely safe if the controls are not operated. That is, it must not be capable of firing from being jarred, from a simple parts breakage, etc. It should be capable of being fired ONLY if the trigger is pulled.

A properly designed handgun in good condition, holstered in a properly designed holster in good condition is an inert object--comparable to a firearm that has been disassembled. It can not be fired and it can not fire by itself. The holster completely prevents the controls from being operated and the handgun design completely prevents the gun from firing unless the controls are operated.

Because it is an inert object the muzzle control rule no longer applies.

It is impossible to overemphasize the importance of the two listed factors. Together they combine to make the difference between pointing a loaded gun at other people (a criminal offense) or at yourself (stupid and dangerous) and carrying responsibly.

Some things to keep in mind.

Equipment wears and degrades with time. It's important to inspect holsters and handguns periodically to insure that they are still performing their intended functions.

With a holster that's relatively easy to do. It should be periodically checked to ensure that it is still holding the gun securely, that it isn't losing its shape or softening/deforming, and that it isn't fraying or breaking down. It needs to protect the controls and it needs to maintain its own integrity so it can't foul or operate a control due to deformation.

If you don't have the ability to do safety checks to insure that your handgun is still safe, then it would be wise to have an armorer or gunsmith periodically check your firearm to insure that all of the safety mechanisms in the gun are still operating properly. After you install any aftermarket parts that affect the operation of the trigger or safety, the gun should be checked to ensure that the safety features of the firearm still function as intended.
 
You have to break two of the five firearms safety rules to have an accident. Most accidents break 3 rules.

Loaded
Point
Finger
Safety
Target

For example, the ignorant fool Alec Baldwin broke 3 of the above rules. Possibly 4.

I broke the rules down to a single word so noobs can memorize them easier.

I recommend ditching the pocket holster for now. If you feel new-ish to ccw? Stick to kydex belt holsters. Iwb: Crossbreed Supertuck. Owb: Bravo, KT. Are my go to's.
 
A gun in a gun box or rug faces the same questions. JohnKSa covered it really well.
Had a student in a gun class ask more or less the same question, except in this case the gun was in your hand...it always has to be pointed at something. Told her, in that circumstance, point it at the safest, the least likely to cause harm, direction.
We do have to accept, to some degree of faith, that a quality gun, in proper order, simply won't go off on its own. We also accept that our car's brakes will work at 80mph, and that the wings won't come off an airplane.
Moon
 
I personally don’t worry about it. I am conscience not to muzzle people if I’m handling a gun. But if I pull my gun out at home and accidentally muzzle the dog it’s not an issue for me. If the gun is cocked, safety off, finger on trigger, that’s a lot different than just having the muzzle sweep the pooch. I try not to muzzle the dog when I can though.

If other people get muzzled by my holstered gun it’s not an issue for me. The same as if I get muzzled by someone else’s holstered gun, it doesn’t make me nervous in the least.
 
One of the first rules of gun safety is to never point the gun at anything you would not want to be destroyed. Yet, when carrying, invariably the gun will point in undesirable directions.

In the context of "Never point a gun at anything....", it is intended to mean when in your hand, and includes both intentional and unintentional pointing. In my Basic Handgun Safety classes, taught as standalone or part of a Concealed Carry class, I always referred to the muzzle being inadvertently pointed in an inopportune direction as "flashing", when in a holster. As a firearm carrier, you have to be aware of both, and take steps to minimize flashing whenever possible, by method of carry, or posture, or choice of where you sit. I don't believe in "unintentional" pointing at someone when you have the gun in hand; it is indicative of inattention and lack of situational awareness, and in my classes, the second time a student did it, he/she was dismissed from the class. No refund.
 
Firearms training has been dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Hence "Glock leg"!

Post #3 and #6 are well thought out posts.

Give me the Sig and S&W DA/SA designs all day long! I went from a S&W M4566 to the Glock M22 as a deputy for 8 years. Sold the G22 at retirement kept the M4566!
I carry most of the time and never worry about an N/D as long as the gun is holstered and carried at 3 o-clock The only time there is the smallest chance for an N/D is when I have to leave my gun locked in my vehicle like when entering a federal building! :)
 
If I can be that blunt, you need to accept that sometimes there just ISN'T what we would commonly call a "safe direction."
Fortunately, with a proper functioning gun in good order and in a proper holster that covers the trigger to prevent the trigger catching, the gun should not present a danger. Nonetheless, caution is always in order with a loaded gun. As my quick search of Glock Leg shows, most of these mishaps are in holstering a loaded gun. Or as apparently happened in one video, the guy must have caught his shirt in the holster with the gun as he bend down and it fired into his leg and probably making a nasty burn to his package since he was appendix carrying.
 
One of the first rules of gun safety is to never point the gun at anything you would not want to be destroyed. Yet, when carrying, invariably the gun will point in undesirable directions. How do you not occasionally have your dog cross by close to you and come into the path of the gun? How about if you sit down and now the gun in the pocket holster is almost horizontal and possibly pointing at someone nearby. What if you sit on the ground, back against a wall or tree, and knees up so the gun points at an upward angle and people are walking by. If you are on a hillside and the gun in holster points at someone below? Or a shoulder holster could have it pointing at people all the time if the holster stores the gun horizontally. Or for the ladies, purse carry (hope she has a holster and not have it triggered by stuff floating around inside the purse).

You're seriously over thinking this.

Guns RARELY EVER just "go off by themselves". It's so rare that I can't think of a single event in all the decades I've carried or read about such things. Invariably, it's because someone is handling the firearm and ended up with their boogerhook on the trigger, dropping a firearm which wasn't drop safe, got something inside the trigger guard on a poorly designed hoster, or some other act which involved handling the firearm.

Carry your piece in a proper holster and LEAVE it there unless you need to draw it for some reason. And then do so as safely as possible given the circumstances.
 
Beretta PX4 Storm Compact. DA/SA with a decocker/safety. This with my Muddy River IWB holster is about as safe as you can get.

My choice but other pistols/ holsters mentioned work equally as well.

Don't worry, be happy.
 
At some point, the muzzle will cross something you don't want to destroy. Don't believe me? Stick a fiber optic rod that is 20 inches plus or a laser boresight bullet in your EDC firearm. You will flag all sorts of things. Your butt cheeks, the chair you like, your dog walking behind you etc.

That is where the other firearm safety rules come into play. Namely, keep your finger off the trigger. By finger it is really anything. Carry in a good holster that covers the trigger and trigger guard. The chance of a firearm "going off" in a secured holster are so astronomically small, I worry about getting hit by lightning or a meteorite first.
 
One of the first rules of gun safety is to never point the gun at anything you would not want to be destroyed. Yet, when carrying, invariably the gun will point in undesirable directions. How do you not occasionally have your dog cross by close to you and come into the path of the gun? How about if you sit down and now the gun in the pocket holster is almost horizontal and possibly pointing at someone nearby. What if you sit on the ground, back against a wall or tree, and knees up so the gun points at an upward angle and people are walking by. If you are on a hillside and the gun in holster points at someone below? Or a shoulder holster could have it pointing at people all the time if the holster stores the gun horizontally. Or for the ladies, purse carry (hope she has a holster and not have it triggered by stuff floating around inside the purse).
This is an excellent question and something that I have brought up on numerous occasions and on various forums. Because I think the first rule of gun safety should be changed to state, "Always know where your gun it pointing". This is what I was taught as a child and such that I have practiced my entire life. I grew up hunting and I was always around family and friends with loaded weapons. This would include a few adolescents and/or less experienced shooters. So it was always important to know exactly where your firearm as well as others was always pointing. A lot of people are just not conscious of such and consequently always end up pointing the weapon in an inappropriate direction.

The first rule of firearm safety is typically presented as you stated, "Don't point your gun at anything you are not willing to destroy". That however does not encourage maintaining a conscious state of your firearm! It simply says don't point it at anything important.

Whereas practicing "Always know where your gun is pointing" does create a conscious state of your firearm. I've been shooting for nearly 50 years and even if you forgot all the other rules; as long as you practiced this one rule then no harm could come even with an accidental or purposeful discharge of your weapon. Otherwise, the rule could be stated as "Always know where you gun is pointing and never point it at anything you are not willing to destroy".

The problem isn't that people inadvertently point their guns in an inappropriate direction at times. The problem is that they are not aware that they are doing such! They are not aware of such because they've never made a habit of always knowing the status of their weapon.

Two perfect examples. 1) I purchased a pocket pistol for Church security once and the first time I sat down with it in my pocket, I immediately realized my weapon was horizontal and pointing at the pew in front of me. Consequently, I immediately readjusted it to point downward. I doubt most people who pocket carry are even aware when this occurs but I did because I've made a lifetime of always knowing the status of my firearm. 2) A gentleman, on this forum I believe, stated that his pocket gun had slipped out of his pocket unbeknownst. He then went back outside to work in his yard for several hours before he realized his gun was no longer in his pocket. Upon searching for it he discovered that it had slipped out of his pocket and had become lodged in his indoor recliner. I found this to be entirely unacceptable, sorry. But such occurred because people don't make a habit of always knowing the status of their firearm.

The fact you are conscious of such OP, tells me that you have the proper frame of mind.

Happy Easter,
Ralph
 
A good point to this thread is that people need to practice with their holstered guns until they feed confident carrying around the house and in public. I've even read that one should do calisthenics with a holstered gun and understand what MIGHT happen in an unusual circumstance. Don't be a Barney Fife.
 
I have been wearing it around the house and mostly not a problem but the dog will frequently pass in front of the barrel, of course it is holstered so the trigger is not going to pull and a revolver has a 10+ pound trigger. This holster covers the entire trigger and trigger guard. I have seen some holsters that leave the trigger exposed. Just working in the yard a while ago and it makes it hard to bend down for things like working the garden unless I push it back a little. If makes a rather triangular lump in my pocket so not sure that is called printing, but maybe I need the next larger size pants or use the inside the waist band holster instead.
 
I give nary a thought to carrying a pistol in a horizontal shoulder holster. Of course, we I go into a store, I have a sign on my back telling everyone not to stand behind me in the check-out line lest my pistol points at them.

In all seriousness, though, a handgun safely holstered in a quality holster is generally not a violation of Rule #3. Just make sure you have no detritus in your pocket or purse, as noted.

I do, however, refuse to carry AIWB with the muzzle pointed at my... you know. Y'all have see that video, right?
 
One of the first rules of gun safety is to never point the gun at anything you would not want to be destroyed. Yet, when carrying, invariably the gun will point in undesirable directions. ....
I understand that rule to mean when the gun is in hand, ie doesn't apply when holstered. Yet, @Ralph III above makes a good point, and perhaps states a rather good generalization of that rule, and I think one could even generalize it even further to just plain "be aware of your firearm."
 
I consider “point” to mean when the firearm is being held, by a human hand, or hands, and/or when anything is able to manipulate the trigger, in a way that will fire the weapon. “Anything” can include tree branches, car keys, writing instruments, improvised lanyards, puppy feet, cat’s paws, curious children’s fingers, and such. “Improvised lanyards” includes such things as the cord tensioners located on the hems of some vests and jackets. A properly-holstered firearm is not subject to these environmental hazards, and “properly holstered” includes the act of making sure that there are no environmental hazards inside the holster, at the time the weapon is being holstered.

As others have already mentioned, firearm awareness, which includes muzzle-direction awareness, is the chief concern. It is not simply a matter of not pointing at that which I do not wish to harm.
 
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