highdesert
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I don't want to start a thread bashing California gun laws. I don't want to be responsible for anyone getting carpal tunnel syndrome
Last week I noticed in the newspaper that the local fair (Antelope Valley Fair, CA) is using metal detectors this year. To save myself and my family awkward moments at the gate, I called their security office to inquire about the "correct" procedure for getting in with a CCW permit. The conversation was polite, but as you can guess, I was told "no weapons unless you're law enforcement... this is a state facility."
California, despite issuing few CCW permits, is not very restrictive on where you can carry. The main restrictions are: picket lines, courthouses, places that do majority business in alcohol, and private property (if the owner objects). Unlike some states, you're not barred from public gatherings, banks, or schools.
I informed her that, though I'm no legal expert, a "state facility" (her words) has to honor a state permit. At that, she backed off a little and said she'd prefer I didn't bring it because there are going to be lots of people there. (I guess she thought I plan to use my handgun at the shooting gallery or something ?)
Then she said to call back the following morning after she talked it over with the Sheriff's dept (LA county).
Meanwhile I got in touch with California Pistol and Rifle Association, who put me in touch with their lawyer. He responded right away, saying it has been a controversial issue in the past and has mainly to do with whether the fair is public or privately run. San Diego had a lawsuit over this issue
Today my follow-up with the head of security revealed pretty much what I thought. LASD says no CCWs (except LEO) and if I don't agree I can call them to discuss. She said it's no different than the restriction on a courthouse. I informed the lady that courthouses are specifically prohibited by law, whereas public gatherings are not.
Anyone else have stories of having your CCW being turned away in cases that didn't seem legal? Although I'm a strong believer that we're all safer when law abiding citizens are armed, I wouldn't be half as torqued over this if it didn't look like a case of law enforcement making up the rules as they so desire. Call me naiive, I like laws to be written.
By the way, if you live in California and don't belong to CRPA, you should join. http://www.crpa.org
highdesert
Last week I noticed in the newspaper that the local fair (Antelope Valley Fair, CA) is using metal detectors this year. To save myself and my family awkward moments at the gate, I called their security office to inquire about the "correct" procedure for getting in with a CCW permit. The conversation was polite, but as you can guess, I was told "no weapons unless you're law enforcement... this is a state facility."
California, despite issuing few CCW permits, is not very restrictive on where you can carry. The main restrictions are: picket lines, courthouses, places that do majority business in alcohol, and private property (if the owner objects). Unlike some states, you're not barred from public gatherings, banks, or schools.
I informed her that, though I'm no legal expert, a "state facility" (her words) has to honor a state permit. At that, she backed off a little and said she'd prefer I didn't bring it because there are going to be lots of people there. (I guess she thought I plan to use my handgun at the shooting gallery or something ?)
Then she said to call back the following morning after she talked it over with the Sheriff's dept (LA county).
Meanwhile I got in touch with California Pistol and Rifle Association, who put me in touch with their lawyer. He responded right away, saying it has been a controversial issue in the past and has mainly to do with whether the fair is public or privately run. San Diego had a lawsuit over this issue
Today my follow-up with the head of security revealed pretty much what I thought. LASD says no CCWs (except LEO) and if I don't agree I can call them to discuss. She said it's no different than the restriction on a courthouse. I informed the lady that courthouses are specifically prohibited by law, whereas public gatherings are not.
Anyone else have stories of having your CCW being turned away in cases that didn't seem legal? Although I'm a strong believer that we're all safer when law abiding citizens are armed, I wouldn't be half as torqued over this if it didn't look like a case of law enforcement making up the rules as they so desire. Call me naiive, I like laws to be written.
By the way, if you live in California and don't belong to CRPA, you should join. http://www.crpa.org
highdesert