CCWsafe

[qwert65]

CCWsafe, anybody use them? Opinions? Thanks
http://ccwsafe.com

 

[Mainsail]

Back in the 80s when VHS was all the rage, and long before Blockbuster busted the block with free membership, people paid money to become members of video rental clubs. Yes, it’s true, you had to pay money for the privilege of paying a rental fee. One such club popped up in a strip mall in Fairfield down the road from Travis AFB. Several friends with more money than me paid the $125 lifetime membership fee. Sadly, nobody thought to ask for whose lifetime. Sure enough, after they’d collected a few hundred membership fees, they packed up all the videos in the middle of the night and disappeared.

I don’t know anything about this service, other than their logo looks oddly familiar. I suggest caution. A trial could easily go to $ix figure$ even before the appeal. The business model seems shaky to me.

 

[qwert65]

I too am wary that's why looking for info

 

[thefish]

Cant say either way, but some more info here

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum...6927-ccwsafe-com-anybody-have-experience.html

It's only $100 a year so its really not that much to loose. Just because you pay them a membership fee doesn't mean you HAVE to use them in the event you need to. I to am interested in what others say. I guess the acid test would be to get a record of actual court cases they have been involved in.

Their business model is basically the same as any other croudsourcing platform. cheap membership, with the hopes that the whole ends up paying more than the individual. It's no different than health insurance, car insurance, Gym membership, etc.

 

[Bobson]

Their website says they were at SHOT 2014. Aren't there certain THR mods who go every year? Maybe one of them would know about this company.

Their business model is basically the same as any other croudsourcing platform. cheap membership, with the hopes that the whole ends up paying more than the individual. It's no different than health insurance, car insurance, Gym membership, etc.

Looks that way to me, too. It could be enormously successful. Good idea for a business, IMO.

 

[thefish]

They have a forum, possibly ask a few questions there, such as,
have you guys had and won a case?, what were the details? how long have you been in business, what is your financial backing, what is your professional backing, who are the attorneys? What is their experience, Do you have a General Ledger, Profit/loss, and balance sheet statement that is available?

I just prused their forum, and there is quite a bit of information there.

 

[RustyShackelford]

CCWsafe.com ....

I looked over the website & the details too.
I'm satisfied with what they offer & plan to get a $99.00 yearly membership ASAP.
Tactics trainer & author; Rob Pincius(check spelling) endorses CCWsafe.com .

The NRA and other groups also offer CCW legal services but I'm good with CCWsafe.com .
A atty or law firm on retainer would be ideal.
Also knowing a local practicing lawyer who's known for lethal force shootings/criminal defense is good, but they are not cheap.

CCWsafe.com offers a discount to LE & US military too, .
Some forum members rail against CCWsafe.com & other concealed carry legal aid firms but I think they have merit. $99.00 USD seems to be a fair price for what they offer.
The US legal system(criminal justice system) is a mess.
Even under the best conditions, you will still have legal issues or bills after a use of force incident.
Author, sworn LE officer & legal use of force expert, Massad Ayoob www.massadayoobgroup.com has discussed armed citizen lethal force events many, many times. He has testified in civil & criminal trials several times for decades.
He can be a good resource for learning about lethal force events & the US court system.

Rusty

 

[Snejdarek]

But... why do they use the Czech national lion as the main logo??? (it has both the crown and double tail, so no accidental use there)

https://www.google.cz/search?q=czec...A%2F%2Fwww.czechgallery.com%2Fflag%2F;408;475

And here is the 1247 version, just in case someone wanted to bring the discussion into the "Budweiser trademark" territory

 

[RustyShackelford]

CCWsafe.com .....

The website: www.ccwsafe.com has come up a few times on THR & a few other gun/CCW/tactics forums. Research the older posts too.

As noted, I think it's a smart move for any CCW license holder or military/LE retiree who might carry a defense weapon.
With different laws or statues, you can use the legal defense resources of CCWSafe.com or the other groups if you travel.
Like a auto services club or insurance policy, you may never need it, but it's worth knowing you have access to it after a critical incident.

Rusty

 

[Onward Allusion]

We are currently capitalized to the point where we can defend multiple actions annually.

Above from their website... Personally, this doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy. I would go with one of the bigger players, even if it cost another couple of hundred a year.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-topics/personal-defense-network/choose-concealed-carry-insurance/

 

[Mainsail]

But... why do they use the Czech national lion as the main logo??? (it has both the crown and double tail, so no accidental use there)

That's what I alluded to in my post. I found that top log right away. If it had been an exact duplicate it would have screamed bogus right off, but its similarity is close enough to make me skeptical.

From their website:

Covers one military or law enforcement officer (active or retired) for any criminal, civil or administrative legal action stemming from a self defense incident off duty.

One military.....what? Military officer? Enlisted need not apply?

It's vagueness like this that keep me from even bothering to go farther in. If I have to parse their language for them, I have to wonder if any real lawyers were involved at all.

OK, in the Terms it says 'military person' vs officer, so that's cleared up.

Note: You must have a valid state Concealed Weapon Permit issued to be eligible for any representation from CCW Safe.

Washington issues a Concealed Pistol License, not a concealed weapon permit.

Recognized use of force incidents include both civil, criminal and administrative actions taken by a state, local or federal government or regulatory agency which administers a state’s concealed carry permit system:

Wait, against the agency that administers the permit system?

Any shooting occuring in any location that honors your concealed carry permit, with legally licensed firearms according to your concealed carry permit.

None of my firearms are 'licensed' and that isn't even an option here. And again, it isn't a concealed carry permit, it's a license. Not necessarily interchangeable terms.

Any use of force with any legal weapon or object where you could have legally used deadly force with a firearm in any instance that meets the above recognized points. Any legal weapon includes any weapon that meets the legal description of state and federal laws.

I'm not aware of any law that describes 'legal weapons', only illegal weapons.

Any use of force with any weapon or object or any legal firearm, even those outside of your concealed carry permit, occurring in your residence during the the commission of a crime against you, your family or occupants. A legal firearm includes any firearm that meets the legal description of state and federal laws.

There it is again. What firearm has a 'legal description'? I've seen descriptions of illegal firearms (sawed off shotgun for example) but not legal firearms Does that mean that if it isn't illegal, it's legal? Well there is still not description in the law.....

Any administrative action stemming from a use of force incident taken against your concealed handgun license in the state which issued your license.

So.....what if I'm using my CPL out of state?

Criminal, administrative or civil actions brought against the member stemming from one of the above described situations.

Yeah.....? What?

 

[Warp]

The whole thing sounds pretty silly

 

[CWL]

Sounds reasonable... IF they would disclose their finances.

You're buying an insurance policy, and if the insurer is financially unsound, so is your policy. If things go wrong, they may close up shop leaving you holding the bag. Also, insurers try to limit costs, so they may try to steer you towards a plea bargain rather than pay for a full blown trial. -Let's say that I'm highly skeptical of their "trust us, we have plenty of resources!"

I also don't see how they'd defend you in any civil trials.

Not that this wouldn't be useful, but I'd like to see the financial backing data first.

Also, Rob Pincus had a discussion with them at SHOT 2014, while he may have been impressed with everything they claim to offer, I am skeptical that he has had enough information to make a full-blown recommendation.

 

[MR.G]

Seems like it is worth the price just to have an experienced self defense attorney on call 24/7 in the unlikely event that you need one. The civil and criminal legal defense could be costly, and it would be nice to know that they are well capitalized. I might sign up.

 

[MedWheeler]

From their site:

You must have a valid state Concealed Weapon Permit issued to be eligible for any representation from CCW Safe.

Like WA, Florida also does not issue carry "permits", but issues "licenses" to carry a "concealed weapon or firearm."

Yes, semantics, I know. But, what about Vermonters...?

 

[bainter1212]

I pay for Second Call Defense, a similar insurance setup.

What is important is knowing who is underwriting the policy. Second Call is underwritten by Lloyd's of London.

I was unable to locate the name of the underwriter on that CCWsafe website.

 

[Beveaux]

Our small town had a forum last week that was sponsored by one of these companies. Pretty impressive roster list on the podium. Chief of Police, Asst. Chief of Police, county District Attorney, CHL instructor and the attorney who works for the firm.

Discussion never got very heated, but law enforcement told everyone to cooperate and talk to officers after a shooting and the attorney said to shut up and call him.

I didn't really learn anything I didn't already know. But, it was interesting nonetheless.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Local law enforcement; lawyers....

My local PD(approx 800 sworn personnel, 900 staff total) in the post-George Zimmerman/Trevon Martin shooting era(mid 2012) started a public policy of telling citizens to; don't provoke, don't pursue.
This idea or concept is flawed on many levels.
The mayor & police chief never clearly explained what the point was & soon the "don't provoke, don't pursue" SOP was deleted from the city website.

The PD chief, who shot & killed a young thug in a robbery in progress incident(2000), had a "public meeting" to address some of the city/law enforcement issues recently. I couldn't go due to my work schedule but I would have wanted to hear his remarks.

 

[BloodyBucket03]

I actually started a membership with CcwSafe & Uscca this week. I like the idea of CcwSafe covering me secondary to my union with on duty uses of force incidents & primarily off the clock with all legal aspects accociated with an incident. The only thing CcwSafe did have that I wanted was immediate bail funding which is the reason I decided to get Uscca as well.

 

[CodeSection]

I actually started a membership with CcwSafe & Uscca this week. I like the idea of CcwSafe covering me secondary to my union with on duty uses of force incidents & primarily off the clock with all legal aspects accociated with an incident. The only thing CcwSafe did have that I wanted was immediate bail funding which is the reason I decided to get Uscca as well.

I have both CCWSafe as well as USCCA $1,000,000 liability coverage. Both are great to help protect assets.

You made a wise choice!