Cheney shoots hunting buddy (multiple threads merged)

[Lobotomy Boy]

have no idea what history you are talking about?

Since you seem to like your history in short, simple, Hellenistic chunks that begin on September 11, 2001, I don't expect you to understand what I'm about to say, but since you ask...

The history I'm talking about is primarily the implosion of the Nixon administration during the first two years of his second term (1973-1974) and the effects that had on the 1974 mid-term election and the 1976 presidential election. As a reaction to the excesses of the Nixon administration the country's political mood took a hard swing to the left and we stacked congress so full of liberal moonbats that it took 20 years to clean them out. I see the same type of storm brewing now. This is just a hunch. On Wednesday, November 8 we'll see how prescient that hunch is.

Regarding the Bush administration's relationship with the press, the history I'm referring to is a bit more recent, perhaps even recent enough to trigger something resembling a memory in the youthful gray jell floating in your brain pan. I'm talking about Bush's father, George Herbert Walker Bush, and his abrasive chief of staff John H. Sununu, who famously called Washington Post publisher Kathryn Graham, perhaps the most powerful woman in the world at that time, a crude term for a vagina that starts with the letter "c" and rhymes with "hunt." Many Washington insiders believe that was the beginning of Bush Sr.'s political downfall.

You might want to crack a book before the next time you post a belligerent response to something you clearly don't understand.

 

[Ironbarr]

Now that this thread has migrated from "gun discussion" - like the Italian model 28 gauge the VP used in the field to historic political "facts" - it should be considered for a move to L & P where those who prefer to follow its new bent can (and may) do so without offending the rules.

Mod?

-AndyB

 

[Art Eatman]

Ironbarr, were this thread in L&P, it would have had final rites many pages ago. THis deal reminds me of a flock of cowbirds. Amazing how they can zig and zag as a group when any little new thing gets their attention.

Sorta reminiscent of the Battle of Britain, now the Battle of BS: "Never has so much bandwidth owed its waste to so few."



Art

 

[MAUSER88]

I would still feel safer hunting with Dick Cheney that driving with Teddy Kennedy!!!!

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Oh, shoot, I forgot my Dealy Plaza photo with Cheney on the grassy knoll

 

[Ironbarr]

Art... agreed.

We also tend to find out who's really who (or what).

Be careful out there.

-AndyB

 

[22-rimfire]

LobotomyBoy said "You might want to crack a book before the next time you post a belligerent response to something you clearly don't understand."

I don't think you have ever seen or read something belligerent written by me. Now who sounds belligerent? Crack a book? Clearly don't understand? You simply referenced something that any rational person would not understand. Read your own post; it makes no sense relative to your reference. I sincerely doubt that the history you refer to is going to repeat itself because of VP Cheney having an accident while hunting.

There was a call to law enforcement within an hour of the incident. I don't know the source, but I believe Cheney asked that they come sooner rather than later. Law enforcement was going to come the next day.

People are now accusing the VP that he was drunk. Well, I wasn't there so how could I say otherwise. Carville was also not there and he was speculating. By the way, Carville talks trash about half the time on TV with little or now fact attached to it. Frankly though, he probably is a very interesting person and entertaining. Many liberals are.

I'm through with this thread. Not worth any more time unless you want to be "belligerent".

 

[#shooter]

good times, good times

The media as a whole are Liberal.

It was a hunting accident, big deal.

The Press core are acting like school children.

There's more important stories to be covered.

Yea, like Clinton and Monica.

As if Republicans haven’t beaten that story to death. FauxNews tried to do a viewer call-in segment about the Cheney story being over and done or overdone (they are so witty). The second caller said “it’s overdone” surprise surprise, then proceeded to make a Clinton and Monica joke. I love irony. Needless to say FauxNews dropped the segment.

 

[Marshall]

Yea, like Clinton and Monica.

As if Republicans haven’t beaten that story to death. FauxNews tried to do a viewer call-in segment about the Cheney story being over and done or overdone (they are so witty). The second caller said “it’s overdone” surprise surprise, then proceeded to make a Clinton and Monica joke. I love irony. Needless to say FauxNews dropped the segment.

Only a liberal would compare purposefully desecrating the Oval Office, the sanctimony of marriage and the dumbing down of morals in our country with a hunting "accident".

That was a story, this is non story.

Thank you for showing.

 

[Chrontius]

That seems an awfull mild comment from the Brady nitwits. Maybe they'll weigh in tomorrow with some genuine leftist extremist vitriol.

Umm... how could they make this any more wrong than it already is?

Probably not really fit for THR, but... "It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye."

 

[Phyphor]

Only a liberal would compare purposefully desecrating the Oval Office, the sanctimony of marriage and the dumbing down of morals in our country with a hunting "accident".

That was a story,

Hardly. That was yet another failed attempt to get Clinton out of office.
One that resorted to some rather disgusting tactics. Or is it a normal thing for women to keep semen stains on their dresses?

this is non story.

Now that I can agree on. Oh, I'll bet there's gonna be arguing about this one on other sites for years ("Cheney was drunk/whacked out on his meds - Was not - was too - duh duh duh duh duh duh " ) - but in the end, nothing will really come of it.

 

[Camp David]

Harry Whittington has left the hospital and is now apologizing to the Vice president:

"My family and I are deeply sorry for all that Vice President Cheney and his family have had to go through this week."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/17/cheney/index.html

That means this thread has probably run its course...

 

[Marshall]

Hardly. That was yet another failed attempt to get Clinton out of office.
One that resorted to some rather disgusting tactics. Or is it a normal thing for women to keep semen stains on their dresses?

I'm not surprised by this response, blame the girl and the republicans, the Presidents actions are not to be considered. If he wasn't purposefully desecrating the Oval Office, the sanctimony of marriage and the dumbing down of morals in our country there would have been no dress stains. Get it?

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Only a liberal would compare purposefully desecrating the Oval Office, the sanctimony of marriage and the dumbing down of morals in our country with a hunting "accident".

Now there's a t-shirt idea: "I'D RATHER SMOKE A CIGAR WITH MONICA THAN QUAIL HUNT WITH DICK."

 

[Zen21Tao]

The problems that I have with Clinton wasn't his actions with Monica but with the way he lied to a grandjury. Plus, my true dislike wasn't even with Clinton doing that so much as it was with the double standard that exists when average citizens are sent to jail/prison when it is proved theve purgered themselves.


In the case with Cheney I don't see such a double standard. Here in Florida there was an accidental shooting the day after the Cheney incident where a girl shot he boyfriend behind the ear with the bullet exiting his chin and lodging in his forearm. In that situation the incident was ruled an unfortunate accident and no charges were filed against the girl.

 

[afasano]

Every time Dan Quale answers the phone he yells, "at least I didn't shoot anyone!!!!" Bush Sr. must be feeling better about his pick for VP now.

 

[Phyphor]

I'm not surprised by this response, blame the girl and the republicans,

It sure does take 2 to tango, don't it?

the Presidents actions are not to be considered.

They sure were. But given scandals like whitewater (amongst others, ) something like catching him getting a blowjob in the OO seems sensationalistic, at best. In any case, doesn't it either strike you as sick and/or suspicious that she kept the friggin' dress complete with stain and then whipped it out when the time was right?

If he wasn't purposefully desecrating the Oval Office, the sanctimony of marriage and the dumbing down of morals in our country there would have been no dress stains. Get it?

Oh, certainly, there wouldn't have been. But claiming that story is more relevant than the Cheney shooting incident seems a bit skewed.


EDIT: Put in a strategic 'n'

 

[#shooter]

Whatever...

GWB could eat babies and people would still say he is "moral".

Sancity of marrage my fanny.

“Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and for Atheists and Agnostics.”
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/010/30.47.html

 

[cosine]

GWB could eat babies and people would still say he is "moral".

Sancity of marrage my fanny.

“Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and for Atheists and Agnostics.”
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/010/30.47.html

What? What is this post doing in this thread?
And why is this GWB fault? I'd actually like a good reason.

 

[fistful]

1. Vice President injures friend in hunting accident.

2. President engages in sexual acts with intern in the West Wing.

Item number 2 is obviously the bigger story, whether or not it is an impeachable offense. Item 1 is not a crime nor a scandal.

 

[#shooter]

yea its way off base

What? What is this post doing in this thread?
And why is this GWB fault? I'd actually like a good reason.

Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no good reason.

If you really want to know…
The long and short is:
Republicans think it is wrong for Cheney’s critics to criticize, make fun of, and dwell on the shooting incident for less than a week. But, it's ok for Republicans to criticize, make fun of, and dwell on the Clinton affair 7-8 years and counting. It just sounds like the Republicans are being a little hypocritical about the Cheney coverage.

As for the baby comment, I am being facetious. It just seems IMHO no matter what Bush does there are many people that think he can do no wrong, yet these same people think Clinton can do no good. I choose a poor way to point out the dogma on each side.

The marrige/morals thing was a reply to Marshall.

 

[#shooter]

True

1. Vice President injures friend in hunting accident.

2. President engages in sexual acts with intern in the West Wing.

Item number 2 is obviously the bigger story, whether or not it is an impeachable offense. Item 1 is not a crime nor a scandal.

I agree. 2. is a bigger story, but it has not even been a whole week and the Republicans on TV act like this story has been out for months and the Democrats just keep draging it on. It's only been 4 or 5 days since the story broke.

 

[JohnKSa]

It's only been 4 or 5 days since the story broke.

1. Yes, but you're going to keep on ranting about it for a good bit longer, aren't you...

2. If it's not a big story, then it shouldn't be a big story--not even for 4 or 5 days. This has been front-page, headline news ever since the shooting. The shooter has apologized, taken responsibility and been cleared, the shootee is out of the hospital, has apologized and is doing well.

3. If it's a big story, then it doesn't need embellishment. (Like trying to pretend it's a crime, or claiming the VP didn't have a hunting license, etc.)

4. As long as we're comparing it to the Clinton situation, let's do a good job. Clinton deliberately made the decision to do what he did. Cheney had an accident. Clinton deliberately lied about what he did on National TV. Cheney's story matches that of the other witnesses and LE has already closed the investigation. Clinton's actions were universally considered morally deplorable. Cheney's actions were at best ill-advised and carry no moral taint. Clinton pulled his stunt in his office at work. Cheney was on vacation. Whoever decided that this was a good comparison didn't think it through very well.

Heard an interview on the radio today and one of the interviewees in the D.C. press corps basically admitted that this situation was being blown out of proportion by the press because they want revenge on Cheney for being one of the most powerful Vice Presidents in history and yet not providing them with enough appearances and interviews. That's a very close quote--this from NPR which is not exactly a conservative source.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

As long as we're comparing it to the Clinton situation, let's do a good job. Clinton deliberately made the decision to do what he did. Cheney had an accident.

I'd rather have someone deliberately give me oral sex than accidentally shoot me.

 

[Phyphor]

I'd rather have someone deliberately give me oral sex than accidentally shoot me.

<SPEW>

Too funny, and too true.

But seriously, though, why is it whenever someone brings up any kind of point criticizing the Bush Admin (even in this Cheney shooting accident, ) some wag has to pop off with a Clinton reference?

Bill Clinton wasn't out in the field hunting, so what *does* he have to do with it?