CMP Gets 100,000 M1 Garands from the Philippines and Turkey.

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bnolsen said:
Oh man I need to get some cash together. Is it difficult to rechamber these to 308 ?
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New barrel and adjusting size of gas port is all you need to shoot 308.

CMP was selling a Special grade with choice of 30-06 or 308.
 
At today's Garand price, rebarrel to 308 will cost close to a M1A if you have a smith do it. I thought about getting a CMP Garand but I don't want to add another caliber while Garand is 30-06 and I don't have any 30-06. Thinking of rebarrel to 308 as well, but probably not worthwhile while I have a M14 platform rifle already. CMP Service Grade is now $750, barrel is $200+ and gun smith may easily cost another $200 then probably want a new stock which is another $200. A main reason to own a M1 Garand is it is a piece of history but changing to 308 is not exactly that anymore.
I actually wonder if rebarrel to 308 add value or hurt the value. Folks willing to pay more to buy a 308 Garand or they prefer to have one in 30-06 as the rifle that won the war?
Anyone know the condition of these rifles coming back from Philippine and Turkey? How do they compare to previous CMP Garands?
 
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HankC said:
At today's Garand price, rebarrel to 308 will cost close to a M1A if you have a smith do it. I thought about getting a CMP Garand but I don't want to add another caliber while Garand is 30-06 and I don't have any 30-06. Thinking of rebarrel to 308 as well, but probably not worthwhile while I have a M14 platform rifle already. CMP Service Grade is now $750, barrel is $200+ and gun smith may easily cost another $200 then probably want a new stock which is another $200. A main reason to own a M1 Garand is it is a piece of history but changing to 308 is not exactly that anymore.
I actually wonder if rebarrel to 308 add value or hurt the value. Folks willing to pay more to buy a 308 Garand or they prefer to have one in 30-06 as the rifle that won the war?
Anyone know the condition of these rifles coming back from Philippine and Turkey? How do they compare to previous CMP Garands?
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If you plan to rebarrel to .308, I'd consider a Field Grade at $650.

HankC said:
Anyone know the condition of these rifles coming back from Philippine and Turkey? How do they compare to previous CMP Garands?
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The recent Garand Collectors (GCA) Journal had an article about a shipment of Turkish Garands. A team of GCA members went to Anniston to help unpack and catalog them and reported their observations. The shipment consisted of 13,097 rifles from the Turkish Air Force. It was hard to tell from the pictures but there appeared to be some nice looking guns.

They estimated that 58% were Springfields, 22% IHC, 12%HRA, and 7% Winchester. They stated most of the Winchesters had been rebarreled.

I quote: "The bores could not be examined without extensive cleaning. but a random sample of a small number revealed decent throat erosion numbers: mostly 2 with a smattering of 3's. Muzzle wear was more problematic: many 2's but several rifles ate the gage."

Once they send them through the armorer inspection I imagine they will have a typical assortment of grades to sell. They also reported that there are an additional 110,000 M1's held by the Turkish Army that they are working on repatriating. That might take a couple of years to accomplish.
 
Love to have one, but at that price, there's too many other things out there I would like even more.
 
I would love to have one and i dont mind paying the higher price but i had no idea of the hoops i have to jump through just to be able to buy one.

Send a copy of my birth cert and my hunter safety course card with live fire training, a little much but doable, but i also have to be a member of a group that competes too? One that the CMP recognizes at that? I dont compete and never have other than with my friends. It just seems excessive.

Im a red, white, and blue American, i have live fire training, im a member of the NRA, i have cash money and am ready and willing to spend it on an M1 to shoot and cherish for the rest of my life, thats not enough to buy from the CMP?
 
TN Outlaw said:
I would love to have one and i dont mind paying the higher price but i had no idea of the hoops i have to jump through just to be able to buy one.

Send a copy of my birth cert and my hunter safety course card with live fire training, a little much but doable, but i also have to be a member of a group that competes too? One that the CMP recognizes at that? I dont compete and never have other than with my friends. It just seems excessive.

Im a red, white, and blue American, i have live fire training, im a member of the NRA, i have cash money and am ready and willing to spend it on an M1 to shoot and cherish for the rest of my life, thats not enough to buy from the CMP?
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For most of us a birth certificate (or Passport), a CWP, and a membership to the GCA ($25/year, includes a magazine and they notify CMP electronically) is all you need. Not a lot of hoops to buy a $1000 rifle for $650.

SC will make me produce more next time I renew my drivers license. Because RealID.

Congress writes the rules that the CMP follows. I am surprised they don't require more.
 
I mean, i get it. Its a marksmanship program so they are trying to get people involved in marksmanship. I do agree, with Congress im surprised there isnt more qualifications.

My point is, ANY hoops is more than ive ever had to deal with purchasing a firearm. Other than coming up with the scratch to afford it. Ive never had to deal with producing my birth cert or passport/HSC card or anything of the sort to buy a rifle. No matter how good/bad a deal i got. American tax payers already paid to build the guns so they should be had at a deal.

The GCA dont seem like a hard step to join and finish qualifying me to be able to purchase one. Thanks for the info. So after the filling out the proper forms, joining the GCA and having them notify them electronically, after some time they will take the $$$ and ship the rifle to I assume to the FFL holder of my choosing?
 
Yep to your door.

UPS Guy: "Hey is this what I think this is?"
Me: "Yep."
UPS Guy; "Well can I see it?"
Me: "Only if you don't complain about the weight when the ammo gets here."
Three minutes later,
UPS Guy: "I got to get one of these!"

-kBob
 
Depends on where you live, some states have restrictions. Below is copy and paste from CMP website
IMPORTANT: If your State or locality requires you to first obtain a certificate, license, permit, or Firearms Owner ID card in order to possess or receive a rifle, you must enclose a photocopy of your certificate, license, permit, or card with the application for purchase. Rifle shipments to NY and NJ must be made to a state licensed dealer. You must provide a copy of the dealer’s license with your order form. Rifle shipments to CA must be made to a State licensed dealer or may be made to individual homes, providing that a CA Certificate of Eligibility and a Curio and Relic License are provided. Rifle shipments to CT must be made to licensed or dealer or may be shipped directly to the customer if a C&R license is provided.

As a result of CT Bill 1160 and Bill 13-220 , which revised CT Bill 1160, all CT customers purchasing rifles to be delivered in CT must have the rifle shipped to a CT licensed dealer or must provide us with a copy of their current Type 3 (C&R) FFL license. We can ship directly to a customer's home if they possess a C&R license.

NY, NJ and CT customers who have already mailed their rifle orders to CMP should provide [email protected] with dealer information or order cancellation instructions. Information can also be faxed to 256-835-3527 or mailed to CMP Customer Service, (Attn: FFL Order), 1401 Commerce Blvd., Anniston, AL 36207.
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/m1-garand/

How do they get around the law and ship to individuals not FFL or C&R but still charge OH residents sale tax!:(
 
I'd like to get a 5 digit serial number M1, but I won't hold my breath in perparation for sticker shock.
 
and of course all I ever wanted was a carbine - but came late to the game.... When I first got interested, they still had them, but a bit pricey. Nice if they'd just have some now since they seem to be out - with little hopes of that ever changing. Those that want garands still have them available (and if you want one, fill out the paper, and take advantage....). Good luck to all.
 
Jim Watson said:
How about going back to the DCM limit of one ever? The CMP is self supporting and if they could not flog stuff out the door in quantity, they could not operate.

I was appalled when they increased the purchase limit to five. A gun show wheeler dealer here signed up his whole family, everybody ordered five, giving him 25 rifles to work with. He took them down and started matching parts, buying a few pieces. He was able to assemble several "correct" M1s which he sold for a large profit. He sold the rest of the "mixmasters" for a small profit, keeping essentially free shooters for himself and his sons.

When CMP was selling .22s, I went to the South Store and bought a NIB Kimber. I later got an H&R. I would have bought one of the cheap used Kimbers but the guy ahead of me bought every one worth having, four or five rifles.
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You have a problem with someone making the investment and then making a profit?
 
HankC said:
How do they get around the law and ship to individuals not FFL or C&R but still charge OH residents sale tax!:(
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CMP has a store at Camp Perry in Ohio is the reason they collect OH sales tax for rifles sent to OH.

As far as shipping rifles direct to the purchaser, it is permitted somehow in their charter from the government. CMP still does a background check on the purchaser.

When CMP was selling Service Rifle AR-15s around 2005, they had to be shipped to an FFL as do the surplus M1911s that are being sold today.
 
HankC said:
How do they get around the law and ship to individuals not FFL or C&R but still charge OH residents sale tax
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Not "getting around the law." Not in the slightest. See 18 USC 922 (b)(3) (emphasis added):
(3)any firearm to any person who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the licensee’s place of business is located, except that this paragraph (A) shall not apply to the sale or delivery of any rifle or shotgun to a resident of a State other than a State in which the licensee’s place of business is located if the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the transfer, and the sale, delivery, and receipt fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such States (and any licensed manufacturer, importer or dealer shall be presumed, for purposes of this subparagraph, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, to have had actual knowledge of the State laws and published ordinances of both States), and (B) shall not apply to the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;
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So, under federal law, they are the FFL, so they can make the interstate transfer (within State limits (ref. NJ, NY, CT, CA, et al). Interstate pistol transfers (generally) require an FFL at both ends. By the same token, I am free to drive to Anniston, AL (the South Store) and buy over the counter, and drive back to Texas.

Electronic transactions (and mail order) are considered to go through the Camp Perry, OH sales location, so, applying OH sales tax is entirely appropriate. This has become a rare occurance in the world of on-line sales, as the sales distribution point can be vague, and not pinned to any one state.
 
I also have a problem with anyone who misrepresents themselves when purchasing CMP rifles for resale, when the purchase agreement they sign is an agreement that they are purchasing for their own personal use. That is fraud, a wrongful deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. And, not very high road.


George P said:
You have a problem with someone making the investment and then making a profit?
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maxxhavoc said:
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I have a problem with someone signing their name to a form that says they are buying this for their own personal use, while intending to resell it all along.
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I guess I just don't get what the fuss is all about.

My future SIL bought one through the CMP program. I shot it. My thought was... Meh. I'd rather shoot my Winchester 94.

Other than pure nostalgia, what exactly am I missing?
 
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