Concealed Weapons Permit Badge?
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Hunh. Under Arkansas Code 5-73-120, I don't see anything like that in the provision for carrying-- it just says a cop can carry. Are you sure it's a law, or is it a department regulation?
Just curious.
Most uniforms don't carry a badge near the gun, either.
orangeninja
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To be honest with you....the only cops I ever see wearing a shoulder rig are on TV.
keyhole
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Yup.
manwithoutahome
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Just from reading the original post, and something that no one brought up, the person had to "edge closer to get a look at the department that the guy may be in" or something like that.
In any case, it made the person pay closer attention to the "Officer" or whatever he thought the person was in.
It worked, it made a person think twice about if this person was, or was not someone of "authority".
Me, I don't care if a person wants to pay a high price (most of those things costs up to $30 apiece) for a piece of tin and put it on their belts.
I do seem to read that most of the Officers here resent the fact that "we" can get things like that if we wanted. I have a hat and a tee that says "Police" on them. As long as I don't identify myself as, perfectly legal to wear. Just because the BG's will get things like this, doesn't mean we should "have a law" because of something that someone "may" do while wearing one (Sound familiar here????).
People have a Right to be stupid, to do things like this, to spend way too much money on pieces of tin if they chose. I do believe this is the United States of America, remember those "freedoms"?
Police Officers should not get "bent out of shape" because we can buy these things. This is not a bash against Police, I respect them if they respect me. But I don't go off half-cocked and trying to "arrest" any one beccause they bought a military jacket, BDU's, name tags, etc.. because they didn't earn them, but I did. I just look and laugh, wannabe's, what a world. But I don't go out of my way to have them prove that they were or were not in the military. I could care less, for I have my earned medals that I can fawn over while they can give "war stories" to their gullable friends. I know what I did and what I've earned.
Hell, I'm an honorary "Texas Ranger" and got the "tin" to prove it. All it cost me was going to El Paso when I was stationed in Alamogordo and "applying" for it. Since I was active duty, got it on the spot. The same as most of the ten year olds that had applied. Was just for grins, and I still have it, but I don't go around with it on my belt, but even if I did, I was "issued" the badge, and there is no law for being a "wannabe", at least in this state and other Free states that I've lived in.
This is in no way a Police bashing post, was just VERY dissappointed in some of their replies. It makes the people think that there is a "us vs. them" attitude.
M
*PS, I love ya'll and would do anything to help the Police, as long as they respect me, I'll do the same. This is a (semi) Free country afterall.
In any case, it made the person pay closer attention to the "Officer" or whatever he thought the person was in.
It worked, it made a person think twice about if this person was, or was not someone of "authority".
Me, I don't care if a person wants to pay a high price (most of those things costs up to $30 apiece) for a piece of tin and put it on their belts.
I do seem to read that most of the Officers here resent the fact that "we" can get things like that if we wanted. I have a hat and a tee that says "Police" on them. As long as I don't identify myself as, perfectly legal to wear. Just because the BG's will get things like this, doesn't mean we should "have a law" because of something that someone "may" do while wearing one (Sound familiar here????).
People have a Right to be stupid, to do things like this, to spend way too much money on pieces of tin if they chose. I do believe this is the United States of America, remember those "freedoms"?
Police Officers should not get "bent out of shape" because we can buy these things. This is not a bash against Police, I respect them if they respect me. But I don't go off half-cocked and trying to "arrest" any one beccause they bought a military jacket, BDU's, name tags, etc.. because they didn't earn them, but I did. I just look and laugh, wannabe's, what a world. But I don't go out of my way to have them prove that they were or were not in the military. I could care less, for I have my earned medals that I can fawn over while they can give "war stories" to their gullable friends. I know what I did and what I've earned.
Hell, I'm an honorary "Texas Ranger" and got the "tin" to prove it. All it cost me was going to El Paso when I was stationed in Alamogordo and "applying" for it. Since I was active duty, got it on the spot. The same as most of the ten year olds that had applied. Was just for grins, and I still have it, but I don't go around with it on my belt, but even if I did, I was "issued" the badge, and there is no law for being a "wannabe", at least in this state and other Free states that I've lived in.
This is in no way a Police bashing post, was just VERY dissappointed in some of their replies. It makes the people think that there is a "us vs. them" attitude.
M
*PS, I love ya'll and would do anything to help the Police, as long as they respect me, I'll do the same. This is a (semi) Free country afterall.
Quintin Likely
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CCW badge...why not just call it a SMF badge.
Shoot Me First.
Shoot Me First.
Here is the Illinois statute on impersonating a peace officer:
(720 ILCS 5/32‑5.1) (from Ch. 38, par. 32‑5.1)
Sec. 32‑5.1. False Personation of a Peace Officer. A person who knowingly and falsely represents himself to be a peace officer of any jurisdiction commits a Class 4 felony.
(Source: P.A. 85‑741.)
(720 ILCS 5/32‑5.2) (from Ch. 38, par. 32‑5.2)
Sec. 32‑5.2. Aggravated False Personation of a Peace Officer. A person who knowingly and falsely represents himself to be a peace officer of any jurisdiction in attempting or committing a felony commits a Class 3 felony.
(Source: P.A. 85‑741.)
manwithoutahome said;
Which is exactly why I would have talked with the person. He's really treading a thin line between representing himself to be a peace officer and keeping the sheeple from panicing if they saw his weapon. There is no law against having the badge, no law against wearing it. But couple that with additional statements or actions could lead into felony charges here in Illinois. Which is exactly what I would have spoken to the subject about. I don't think any officer in this thread cares that you can buy badges...heck you can have a badge made to say anything you want if you want to pay for it. It's how you use the badge. Several years ago we had a rapist in this part of the state who had bought himself a Kojack light and pulled his victims over on false traffic stops, this has happened in other jurisdictions, and in many places home invasion robberies (usually of drug dealers) are set up to look like police raids. That is why so many peace officers take offense at people misrepresenting themselves.
They don't have a right to represent themselves as peace officers if they aren't. Period
No one is bent out of shape because the public can buy those things. This isn't an I earned the badge and he didn't type of thing. This isn't the airsofter representing himself as a real deal SEAL on the internet. No one is going to comply with the orders of a wannabe in a military uniform, but as I detailed above, people will comply with the instructions of a wannabe peace officer. There is a big difference there. A wannabe soldier might receive respect he doesn't deserve from his victim or maybe even get his dinner paid for in the resturant, the wannabe peace officer often misuses his fake identity for much darker purposes, rape, assault and robbery spring instantly to mind.
It's not us vs. them, it's about keeping the public safe. People who pose as peace officers often do it to commit serious crimes. Which is why I would have spoken to our young friend with the CCW badge on his belt.
Jeff
(720 ILCS 5/32‑5.1) (from Ch. 38, par. 32‑5.1)
Sec. 32‑5.1. False Personation of a Peace Officer. A person who knowingly and falsely represents himself to be a peace officer of any jurisdiction commits a Class 4 felony.
(Source: P.A. 85‑741.)
(720 ILCS 5/32‑5.2) (from Ch. 38, par. 32‑5.2)
Sec. 32‑5.2. Aggravated False Personation of a Peace Officer. A person who knowingly and falsely represents himself to be a peace officer of any jurisdiction in attempting or committing a felony commits a Class 3 felony.
(Source: P.A. 85‑741.)
manwithoutahome said;
Which is exactly why I would have talked with the person. He's really treading a thin line between representing himself to be a peace officer and keeping the sheeple from panicing if they saw his weapon. There is no law against having the badge, no law against wearing it. But couple that with additional statements or actions could lead into felony charges here in Illinois. Which is exactly what I would have spoken to the subject about. I don't think any officer in this thread cares that you can buy badges...heck you can have a badge made to say anything you want if you want to pay for it. It's how you use the badge. Several years ago we had a rapist in this part of the state who had bought himself a Kojack light and pulled his victims over on false traffic stops, this has happened in other jurisdictions, and in many places home invasion robberies (usually of drug dealers) are set up to look like police raids. That is why so many peace officers take offense at people misrepresenting themselves.
They don't have a right to represent themselves as peace officers if they aren't. Period
No one is bent out of shape because the public can buy those things. This isn't an I earned the badge and he didn't type of thing. This isn't the airsofter representing himself as a real deal SEAL on the internet. No one is going to comply with the orders of a wannabe in a military uniform, but as I detailed above, people will comply with the instructions of a wannabe peace officer. There is a big difference there. A wannabe soldier might receive respect he doesn't deserve from his victim or maybe even get his dinner paid for in the resturant, the wannabe peace officer often misuses his fake identity for much darker purposes, rape, assault and robbery spring instantly to mind.
It's not us vs. them, it's about keeping the public safe. People who pose as peace officers often do it to commit serious crimes. Which is why I would have spoken to our young friend with the CCW badge on his belt.
Jeff
To me, a CCW badge brings into question the reason someone is carrying a concealed firearm. Are they doing to be safe or are they doing it to be cool? If they want to be cool they need to grow up. Concealed means concealed - period. If you want to carry a gun, and let everyone know that you are carrying a gun, so you can whip them out to be a hero then get a gun and a badge and join a police force. If you want to carry a concealed firearm for personal protection then carry it concealed, stay under the radar and if, as a last resort you have to use it, do so.
This has always been one of my pet peeves. I used to teach with a guy who had one of those badges. Stupidest thing I've ever seen and the only reason he wore it is because he wanted peoples respect. If the only reason you are carrying a gun is because you want people to respect you, you need some serious help. Hmmm...now that I think about it, I think he moved to Texas.
SC
This has always been one of my pet peeves. I used to teach with a guy who had one of those badges. Stupidest thing I've ever seen and the only reason he wore it is because he wanted peoples respect. If the only reason you are carrying a gun is because you want people to respect you, you need some serious help. Hmmm...now that I think about it, I think he moved to Texas.
SC
OH25shooter
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Bad idea...really a bad idea. Real cops keep badges hidden from view. I did. I was very careful to keep my suit coat closed enough to cover it up. To pass on a war story, I remember when family sit down restaurants were being robbed on a regular bases. The perps would have all the patrons place their wallet on a table in front of an armed suspect. My department was suggesting officers off-duty not carry their badge in their wallet. Keep it in a separate case holder. Anytime one exposes a badge it can become a target.
bluethunder
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Very good idea,OH25shooter. A seperate case is the ticket. That way if you have to "ditch the tin" you don't loose all your good stuff(drivers license, credit cards,pictures,etc),although a badge and ID card probably aren't a great thing to be un-acounted for, they should be easier replaced.
Frenchy
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If I'm carrying concealed, I want complete anonymity! Anything less defeats the purpose.
orangeninja
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" If you want to carry a gun, and let everyone know that you are carrying a gun, so you can whip them out to be a hero then get a gun and a badge and join a police force."
all wannabes...I do not recommend the above statement....you'll just wind up fired anyway.
It has also occured to me given the tone this thread has taken. If I as a Law Enforcement Officer am mistaken for not being one, even with my badge and creds because of people who have pulled stunts in the past....then wannabes suddenly affect MY ability to complete MY mission. Believe it or not...this has happend before at an airport....kind of makes me mad now that I think about it.:banghead:
all wannabes...I do not recommend the above statement....you'll just wind up fired anyway.
It has also occured to me given the tone this thread has taken. If I as a Law Enforcement Officer am mistaken for not being one, even with my badge and creds because of people who have pulled stunts in the past....then wannabes suddenly affect MY ability to complete MY mission. Believe it or not...this has happend before at an airport....kind of makes me mad now that I think about it.:banghead:
P95Carry
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Strikes me Alduro ...... that there is a VERY fine dividing line between ... ''Macho/Wannabe'' ...... and ''illegal impersonation'' ....... for which reason, as I think (approx) 90% of the thread's posters have ''voted'' ..... DON'T!! I think the odds stack up badly!
news item
http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/7722268.htm
Impersonator arrested again after leaving bar
EDWARDSVILLE - James A. Ross has been a firefighter, a funeral director, a police officer, a paramedic and a Marine.
On Thursday, he was a federal agent -- and, once again, a prisoner.
Ross, 21, of Wood River has a history of impersonation and has twice served prison time for it.
Wood River Police arrested Ross early Thursday after he'd spent the night at the Decades bar in Wood River, drinking beers and wearing a badge.
Bartender Sara Reid said Ross had on khaki pants and a white dress shirt. The badge was the type that is attached to a leather holder and is sometimes worn by plain-clothes detectives on a belt.
http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/7722268.htm
Impersonator arrested again after leaving bar
EDWARDSVILLE - James A. Ross has been a firefighter, a funeral director, a police officer, a paramedic and a Marine.
On Thursday, he was a federal agent -- and, once again, a prisoner.
Ross, 21, of Wood River has a history of impersonation and has twice served prison time for it.
Wood River Police arrested Ross early Thursday after he'd spent the night at the Decades bar in Wood River, drinking beers and wearing a badge.
Bartender Sara Reid said Ross had on khaki pants and a white dress shirt. The badge was the type that is attached to a leather holder and is sometimes worn by plain-clothes detectives on a belt.
CWP Badges......hhmm....??
I have read over at least 2 pages of comments and, I am not more certain on my opinoin on this than I was before I started reading. In fact, I may be a bit more confused. Not that I was expecting to get an answer here but, I was hopeful.
Ok, so....I am a Realtor, specifically, a foreclosure Reatlor that works with over 25 banks in my area. One of my duties is that once the foreclosure deed is recorded, I have to visit the property, knock on the door, assess who is living in the property, advise of the foreclosure and tell the occupants, they need to get ready to vacate.
As you can imagine, this can get really hairy, in fact, just last week, I was in a really bad situation that prompted me to attend my mandatory gun class this Saturday and come Monday, I am going to my State office to do my fingerprints and get my background check for my CWP.
I told my instructor of the situation, it was a great example to bring up for the class and he (the instructor, a Law Enforcement Officer "swat") who told me to get a badge, carry in plain sight, when I visit the homes only.
Granted, I would never carry in plain sight when I am out and about but, in this type of situation, as described above, is having a badge on my hip and a gun exposed a good idea?
Personally, I think it might be.....at least the gun but, if I walk up to a house with a gun on my hip, exposed with no badge, it might make the occupants inside a bit worried. The opposite is true to I guess, arrive at a home, gun on my hip exposed with a belt badge and hell, I might find myself in a fire fight.
Thoughts?
I have read over at least 2 pages of comments and, I am not more certain on my opinoin on this than I was before I started reading. In fact, I may be a bit more confused. Not that I was expecting to get an answer here but, I was hopeful.
Ok, so....I am a Realtor, specifically, a foreclosure Reatlor that works with over 25 banks in my area. One of my duties is that once the foreclosure deed is recorded, I have to visit the property, knock on the door, assess who is living in the property, advise of the foreclosure and tell the occupants, they need to get ready to vacate.
As you can imagine, this can get really hairy, in fact, just last week, I was in a really bad situation that prompted me to attend my mandatory gun class this Saturday and come Monday, I am going to my State office to do my fingerprints and get my background check for my CWP.
I told my instructor of the situation, it was a great example to bring up for the class and he (the instructor, a Law Enforcement Officer "swat") who told me to get a badge, carry in plain sight, when I visit the homes only.
Granted, I would never carry in plain sight when I am out and about but, in this type of situation, as described above, is having a badge on my hip and a gun exposed a good idea?
Personally, I think it might be.....at least the gun but, if I walk up to a house with a gun on my hip, exposed with no badge, it might make the occupants inside a bit worried. The opposite is true to I guess, arrive at a home, gun on my hip exposed with a belt badge and hell, I might find myself in a fire fight.
Thoughts?
armoredman
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Said it before, say it again - CCW permit badge is bad juju. Want a badge? Become a reserve police officer. If you have to carry openly, wear good quality leather with a professional looking sidearm, dress well, and many will assume you to be LEO. The "badge" = very bad idea.
wrc
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Mixed Messages.
I was doing some STL research today, just by coincidence. For private security working in plainclothes (think corporate investigators and similar folks), they require the following found at http://www.slmpd.org/private_security.html:
They're pretty much accepting the equivalent of a "CCW badge" as a credential when security personnel are in plain clothes.
Interesting, at least in St. Louis.
I was doing some STL research today, just by coincidence. For private security working in plainclothes (think corporate investigators and similar folks), they require the following found at http://www.slmpd.org/private_security.html:
They're pretty much accepting the equivalent of a "CCW badge" as a credential when security personnel are in plain clothes.
Interesting, at least in St. Louis.
alienbogey
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Holy Ancient Thread Resurrection, Batman!
Defensivecarry.com (AKA Fuddville) has one good idea, they took all the CHP badge threads, combined them, stickied them at the top of the page and locked them
Then they put up an announcement stating "Here's every thing that could be said on CHP badges don't start another thread"
I think THR could learn that one thing from them
Then they put up an announcement stating "Here's every thing that could be said on CHP badges don't start another thread"
I think THR could learn that one thing from them
NavyLCDR
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alienbogey said:
Yeah, well you just bumped the thread to the top with your post!
Oh....wait..... so did I!
Sunray
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The bone head could just have a badge he bought at a flea market too. Have a 6 point, brass, badge with 'Deputy' in big letters with a software company's name, URL, Enterprise Administrator on it I got at an IT trade show. Must have cost 'em a fortune.
Same shape as the Arizona Territory badge here. http://www.circlekb.com/category/SheriffsBadges.html
Wear it? Um, no.
"...consider that badge to have more..." Mine too. snicker.
"...Holy Ancient Thread Resurrection..." Geezuz! Didn't notice that.
Same shape as the Arizona Territory badge here. http://www.circlekb.com/category/SheriffsBadges.html
Wear it? Um, no.
"...consider that badge to have more..." Mine too. snicker.
"...Holy Ancient Thread Resurrection..." Geezuz! Didn't notice that.
nwilliams
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Why is is new members always tend to resurrect ancient threads.
This topic has been discussed waaaayyy too many times. I think the basic consensus is that if you own or wear a CCW badge we can politely refer to you as a Mall Ninja and or police officer wannabe.
For everyone's sake and yours as well don't be seen wearing a CCW badge it just makes all CCW holders look bad.:banghead:
Remember friends don't let friends wear CCW badges!
This topic has been discussed waaaayyy too many times. I think the basic consensus is that if you own or wear a CCW badge we can politely refer to you as a Mall Ninja and or police officer wannabe.
For everyone's sake and yours as well don't be seen wearing a CCW badge it just makes all CCW holders look bad.:banghead:
Remember friends don't let friends wear CCW badges!
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