Connecticut sues firearm companies in ghost gun crackdown

[Aim1]

I wonder where this will go with the recent Federal West Virginia gun case ruling that guns don't need serial numbers.


I'm sure these people would appeal their convictions if convicted.





https://apnews.com/article/ghost-guns-lawsuit-connecticut-fe9cab1ea44169cafefb19727501643e

 

[50of4064]

Correct me please...
80% was established as " not a gun " it is just a PART.
So in Connecticut ALL Gun Parts must have a serial number?...please elaborate.

 

[Styx]

Correct me please...
80% was established as " not a gun " it is just a PART.
So in Connecticut ALL Gun Parts must have a serial number?...please elaborate.

Just like they think the Constitution is a living document, they believe the plain text of the and their own definitions are continuously evolving. That is, they can just change definitions whenever they see fit.

They can use tax payer's money, FEDs, and boys in blue intimidate, disrupt business and manufacturing, and cause companies to loose tens of thousands in lost revenue and legal fees. Even if the business prevails, the damage is still done, and the first won't be over because they'll just be sued and harassed again and again.

 

[stonebuster]

Just like they think the Constitution is a living document, they believe the plain text of the and their own definitions are continuously evolving. That is, they can just change definitions whenever they see fit.

They can use tax payer's money, FEDs, and boys in blue intimidate, disrupt business and manufacturing, and cause companies to loose tens of thousands in lost revenue and legal fees. Even if the business prevails, the damage is still done, and the first won't be over because they'll just be sued and harassed again and again.

Ironic our license plates in Connecticut are marked the "Constitution state".

 

[starnbar]

Ok but these are civil suits not criminal let the ATF weigh in on this if they want to make it illegal that is a state right just like selling tobacco or alcohol and as far as being untraceable unless these are made in a garage with their own injection machine or cnc lathe they can be traced so that is a misnomer it may be time consuming but it can be done.

 

[N555]

Funny how people have been doing serial numberless milsurp reconstructions since forever but now all of a sudden no serial number guns are menace to society?
Sure.

 

[wayneinFL]

Crazy thing considering we went almost 200 years without requiring serial numbers on rifles shotguns or handguns.

The mindset now is completely different. I went into a gun shop and a man was trying to sell an old rifle. Lady who owned the shop freaked out and told him to get it out of her shop, because it was illegal. If I remember correctly, it was a cheap 22, that probably wasn't worth the process and quality control.

 

[12Bravo20]

There was never any federal law or regulation stating anything about 80% frames and receivers. The term 80% is used by manufacturers.


Here is the federal definition of a frame and receiver after the posting of the latest Frame/Receiver Rule last year.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/definition-frame-or-receiver

And even with the rule changes last year, it is still 100% legal to make your own firearm without any serial numbers for personal use.

The left is using 'Ghost Guns' to scare the uneducated just like they used 'Assault Weapons' all these years to scare people.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

"Ghost guns are an untraceable menace that exist for one reason - to fuel the vapid imaginations of people who live in a fantasy world where everything is rainbows and unicorn farts."

There. Fixed it for them.

As for the law suit...even if they were actual guns and not parts, if the guns were made in the state and not sold and shipped out of state, and the state itself has no laws with respect to this issue, then I don't see where there are any laws broken.

'Course, I'm not an attorney, even if I have stayed as a Holiday Inn Express occasionally.

 

[citizenconn]

Crazy thing considering we went almost 200 years without requiring serial numbers on rifles shotguns or handguns.

The mindset now is completely different. I went into a gun shop and a man was trying to sell an old rifle. Lady who owned the shop freaked out and told him to get it out of her shop, because it was illegal. If I remember correctly, it was a cheap 22, that probably wasn't worth the process and quality control.

I have a number of older non Mil-surp shotguns and rifles that don't have serial numbers simply because they were not required back in the day. Many are Mossberg, Remington, Marlin and similar made for department stores in the middle part of the last century.

I could be mistaken but didn't the new "bi-partisan" gun laws pushed through last year stipulate that an FFL is required to put a serial number of any non-serialized firearm going through their shop for sale, transfer or repair? I guess the shop lady did not want to have to deal with it.

 

[CapnMac]

an FFL is required to put a serial number of any non-serialized firearm going through their shop for sale, transfer or repair?

If I remember correctly, that applies to "fully assembled" firearms.

 

[Old Dog]

The horror!

This guy Tong would seem to be as big a tool as my state's AG, Ferguson.

The out-of-control use of hyperbole and misinformation to support a state's legislation and litigation is shameful. We have the same stuff going on up here now, and frankly, besides being unbearable and unconstitutional, it's just an embarrassment that we actually elect these people to office.

If the folks running Colt had any cojones, they'd move out of West Hartford and take all those jobs with them. Maybe that would wake up a few people in that state.

 

[12Bravo20]

I have a number of older non Mil-surp shotguns and rifles that don't have serial numbers simply because they were not required back in the day. Many are Mossberg, Remington, Marlin and similar made for department stores in the middle part of the last century.

I could be mistaken but didn't the new "bi-partisan" gun laws pushed through last year stipulate that an FFL is required to put a serial number of any non-serialized firearm going through their shop for sale, transfer or repair? I guess the shop lady did not want to have to deal with it.

If I remember correctly, that applies to "fully assembled" firearms.

Even bare frames/receivers to include those sold as a "80%" or non finished frame/receiver has to have a serial number engraved by FFL holders when in possession of those. So if a FFL has unfinished frames/receivers that the ATF now considers firearms in their inventory then the FFL must engrave a serial number. This also goes for frames/receivers or complete firearms made from "80%" frames receivers that are taken in as trade, consignment, or for repairs.

And firearms made prior to the 1968 GCA still do not require a serial number if they never had one from the factory. That is also stated in the frame/receiver rule.

Please see the link I posted above in post #8

We have had this discussion in great depth several times when it comes to the ATF's rule change on frames and receivers.

 

[citizenconn]

We have had this discussion in great depth several times when it comes to the ATF's rule change on frames and receivers.

Thanks for the reminder. I am old and struggle to remember what I did yesterday much less what we might have discussed in previous posts. But I'll try to do better. Time to break out the post it notes....if I can remember where I put them.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

.... I went into a gun shop and a man was trying to sell an old rifle. Lady who owned the shop freaked out and told him to get it out of her shop, because it was illegal. ....

Doesn't the ATF guide to Firearms Regulations cover how dealers are supposed to handle guns made before the 1968 Gun Control Act without factory stamped serial numbers? Federally such guns (usually low cost rifles and shotguns "farmer specials") are not contraband.

 

[12Bravo20]

Doesn't the ATF guide to Firearms Regulations cover how dealers are supposed to handle guns made before the 1968 Gun Control Act without factory stamped serial numbers? Federally such guns (usually low cost rifles and shotguns "farmer specials") are not contraband.

Yes the ATF does cover how to handle firearms made before the 68 GCA that do not have serial numbers. Plus they are specifically exempt from the serial number requirements set in the Frame/Receiver rule change also. FFLs will annotate on the 4473 that the firearm was made before 1969 and there is no serial number. The A&D books are usually marked 'none' or 'NA'.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Yes ....

Now I am wondering if wayneinFL's dealer knew the federal rules or if there was a state rule requiring dealers to handle only serial numbered firearms?

 

[entropy]

Connecticut sues firearms companies in ghost gun crackdown

Wouldn't that be like sueing a car company for a ground up build hot rod?

The horror!

This guy Tong would seem to be as big a tool as my state's AG, Ferguson.

The out-of-control use of hyperbole and misinformation to support a state's legislation and litigation is shameful. We have the same stuff going on up here now, and frankly, besides being unbearable and unconstitutional, it's just an embarrassment that we actually elect these people to office.

If the folks running Colt had any cojones, they'd move out of West Hartford and take all those jobs with them. Maybe that would wake up a few people in that state.

That would be giving them exactly what they want.

 

[CopperClad]

A few more years and Tong will run to replace Blumenthal in the senate. These guys are like fleas, very difficult to get rid off. (By voting)

 

[wayneinFL]

Now I am wondering if wayneinFL's dealer knew the federal rules or if there was a state rule requiring dealers to handle only serial numbered firearms?

No, she didn't know the rules. There's no law in Florida that you can't sell old firearms in the state. She's from a very restrictive state and probably just assumes everything is illegal.

 

[AK Hunter]

Correct me please...
80% was established as " not a gun " it is just a PART.
So in Connecticut ALL Gun Parts must have a serial number?...please elaborate.

The 80% is not a gun in fact it not a part until they put a number on it, it can not be used counted as anything. It not much more than a metal paper weight until it has a number.

 

[12Bravo20]

The 80% is not a gun in fact it not a part until they put a number on it, it can not be used counted as anything. It not much more than a metal paper weight until it has a number.

The ATF states that a “80%” frame or receiver IS a firearm. This change went into effect with the publishing of the Frame and Receiver rule change last year

 

[entropy]

I'm still waiting for the "79% receivers" to hit the market.....

 

[12Bravo20]

I'm still waiting for the "79% receivers" to hit the market.....

Polymer 80 has released their "76%" blanks.



https://uspatriotarmory.com/product/polymer80-pf940c-g19-compact-gca-compliant-76-blank-black

 

[AK Hunter]

The ATF states that a “80%” frame or receiver IS a firearm. This change went into effect with the publishing of the Frame and Receiver rule change last year

But the congress is what makes laws in America not the BATF.